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Why I Love Christmas and Christians: A Jewish Appreciation
Chron Watch ^ | 13 December 2004 | Jack Englehard

Posted on 12/13/2004 8:27:28 AM PST by Lando Lincoln

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To: Alouette

I am sending this thread to my rabbi. Merry Christmas!


21 posted on 12/13/2004 9:39:59 AM PST by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: Tragically Single

No offence, but for us, for the Jews, the promised land was and will continue to be Israel.


22 posted on 12/13/2004 9:41:19 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israel Defence Forces - The IDF are the poeple and the poeple are the IDF)
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To: Lando Lincoln

American Judeo-Christian alliance, bump!


23 posted on 12/13/2004 9:43:03 AM PST by onedoug
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Well for most of us :)


24 posted on 12/13/2004 9:44:35 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israel Defence Forces - The IDF are the poeple and the poeple are the IDF)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Sorry, should have clarified... I didn't mean it literally. I meant it in terms of the way the Israelites saw the Promised Land as the land of their deliverance in the Old Testament is the way much of the rest of the world sees the United States today.

Again, my apologies. I should have been clearer. I'd never try to claim Israel's position as G-d's literal, actual Promised Land for America.


25 posted on 12/13/2004 9:45:41 AM PST by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: RAY
We live in a great country.

Graded on the curve.

Can we keep it?

Regain it, is the question.

26 posted on 12/13/2004 9:49:30 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Tragically Single

Oh I guess then that I didnt understand your post, therefore no apology is needed! My fault sorry.


27 posted on 12/13/2004 9:52:45 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot (Israel Defence Forces - The IDF are the poeple and the poeple are the IDF)
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To: tkas

May this thread bring joy and blessings to your rabbi!


28 posted on 12/13/2004 9:56:32 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
However, unlike the USA, most of the prominent Zionists were socialists, and that socialist heritage injured and continues to injure Israeli society and the Israeli economy greatly.

Two of the biggest internal problems in Israel are the animus between religious and nonreligious Israelis and the inability of the Jewish population to match the Arab population demographically.

If the state of Israel had less of a socialist heritage and more of a religion and family-friendly one, this wouldn't be such a problem.

29 posted on 12/13/2004 10:06:23 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Alouette

" if you know the Hebrew Bible, as this from Leviticus: “Proclaim liberty throughout the land unto all the inhabitants thereof.” "



Carved into the "Liberty Bell"! Guess they will have to melt it down, because of the "separation of church and state"....


Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 12/13/2004 10:26:04 AM PST by tuckrdout (To belittle is to be little)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Great Post.

Here is related articel written by Dennis Prager last year.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030916.shtml


31 posted on 12/13/2004 10:27:54 AM PST by wkdaysoff (68.3% of all Statistics are made up.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

in my church there is a jewish gentleman that attends every week with his methodist wife. he actively involves himself with our church and invites anyone to be a guest at his synogogue and home. to me its a reminder that we are all in this together and we need someone to watch our backs for us.


32 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:07 AM PST by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: Lando Lincoln

I highly recommend Barbara Tuchman's history, "The Bible and Sword: England and Palestine from the Bronze Age to Balfour"

The Christian British Isles had a strong affinity to the Old Testament and saw themselves as one of the lost tribes of Israel.

British pilgrims were traveling to the Holy Land and writing travelogues as early as 800 A. D.

The Puritans studied the Old Testament and saw themselves as the Israelites in Canaan.

The principles of the Old Testament: man's direct relationship to God and God's promise of justice to the individual shaped the British psyche.

The British brought this sense of individuality, decency, respect for the rule of law and a sense of fairness, along with a firm conviction of being a chosen people to North America. It is this set of principles that formed the base of principles we consider solidly American.

British common law is unconsciously modeled on Torah.


33 posted on 12/13/2004 10:43:31 AM PST by Naomi4
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To: Protagoras
("We live in a great country.

Graded on the curve.

Can we keep it?

Regain it, is the question.")

Everything is relative! (?)

34 posted on 12/13/2004 10:45:41 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: RAY
Everything is relative

Everything can be compared to other things, which I don't think is the same thing.

But if you are comparing, it's not a great country compared to what it was when it was more free.

35 posted on 12/13/2004 10:52:38 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Protagoras
What particular freedoms have you lost? What are you not free to do?

I know there are many things we can't do that those before could. An example being our ancestors could shoot all the ducks they wanted - we are regulated by game laws --- is this bad? There are many such cases and some may be a real burden; however, "relative" to other cuntries we enjoy much freedom.

What specifically would you change relative to your freedoms (examples)?

36 posted on 12/13/2004 11:08:20 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Lando Lincoln; Alouette

Nice article. This guy reminds me of Dennis Prager and Michael Medved. :)


37 posted on 12/13/2004 11:17:38 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: RAY
What particular freedoms have you lost? What are you not free to do?

Here are a few, they are general catagories, if you get into specific cases the list would eat the bandwidth.

Start a business without permission.
Repair our own homes in our own way.
Choose our own retirement plan.
Choose not to have a retirement plan.
Educate our children in our own way.
Make our own business arrangements.
Choose our own medications.
Choose our own transportation.
Choose to opt out of giving information to government about our business.
Choose to keep our financial affairs confidential.
Choose to support our candidates without limitations.

38 posted on 12/13/2004 11:19:51 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Beautiful sentiments. Thanks for the post.


39 posted on 12/13/2004 11:22:10 AM PST by mseltzer
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To: Lando Lincoln

A local talk show host in Arizona is Jewish. He has been purposely playing Christmas music.


40 posted on 12/13/2004 11:23:33 AM PST by HungarianGypsy (We are the pirates who don't do anything....)
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