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Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004

Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

1.)Dr. Dean Hamer who failed to find a "gay gene":

"Homosexuality is not purely genetic. Environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. I don't think that we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

2.) Dr. Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied:

"Absolutely not. From twin studies we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors, not negate the psychosocial factors."

("New Evidence of a "Gay Gene," by Anastasia Toufexis, Time, November 13, 1995, Vol. 146. Issue 20, p.95)

3.) British researchers generated comparable results in an identical-twin study. Their conclusion? The suprisingly low odds that both twins were homosexual.

The study by them: "confirmed that genetic factors are insufficient explanation for the development of sexual orientation."

(King, M and McDonald, E. Homosexuals Who Are Twins: A Study of 46 Probands. British Journal of Psychiatry. 160: 407-409 (1992).

4a.)Homosexual researcher Simon Levay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of heterosexuals and homosexuals:

"I didn't show that gay men are born that way the msot common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

4b.)Dr. Simon Levay: The most widely held opinion [on causation of homosexuality] is that multiple factors play a role.

Levay, Simon (1996). Queer Science, MIT Press.

5.) Dr. J. Satinover:

"Research studies on homosexuality by Dr's Dean Hamer, Michael Bailey, Richard Dillard, Simon Levay. Laura Allen and Roger Gorski have failed to show proof of a gay gene. There is no scientific evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic. The media has sensationalized and perpetuated the myth of a homosexual gene."

Satinover, J. M.D. (1996) Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Grand Rapids. Baker Books

6.) Another of Dr. Jeffery Satinover's conclusions in "The Gay Gene":

"There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public."

(Jeffery Satinover, M.D. The Journal of Human Sexuality, 1996, p.8)

7.) The American Psychological Association:

"Many scientists share the view that sexual orientation is shaped for many people at an early age through complex interactions of biology, psychological and social factors."

(The American Psychological Association's pamphlet "Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality."

8.) The American Psychiatric Association (2000):

"no replicated scientific studies showing any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."

9.) Sociologist Steven Goldberg:

"I know of no one in the field who argues that homosexuality can be explained without reference to environmental factors."

(Goldberg, Steven (1994) When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books.

10a.) Science, 1994:

"Time and time again, scientists have claimed that particular genes or chromosomal regions are associated with behavioral traits only to withdraw their findings when they were not replicated. "Unfortunately," says Yale's [Dr. Joel] Gelernter: "It's hard to come up with many findings linking specific genes to complex human behaviors that have been replicated...all were announced with great fanfare, all were greeted unskeptically in the popular press; all are now in disrepute."

(Mann, C. "Genes and Behavior." Science 264: 1687 (1994), pp. 1686-1689.)

10b.) "The interactions of genes and environment is much more complex than the simple "violence genes" and "intelligence genes" touted in the popular press."

Mann, C. op. cit. pp. 1686-1689

11.) Two genetics researchers, one at Harvard, commented in Technology Review, July 1993 p. 60 concerning twin study's.

"While the authors interpreted their findings as evidence for a genetic basis for homosexuality, we think that the data, in fact, provide strong evidence for the influence of the environment."

(Billings, P. and Beckwith, J. Technology Review, July 1993. p.60)

12.) P. Scott Richards:

"Some environmental and psychological factors that may play a causal role in the development of homosexuality include: (1) cross-gender effiminate behavior in childhood. (2) gender-identity deficits (3) hostile, dteached or absent fathers (which leads to "defensive detachment" from the father and other males) and (4) overly close, controlling or dominating mothers.

(P. Scott Richards, "The Treatment of Homosexuality: Some Historical, Contemporary and Personal Perspectives," AMCAP Journal. Vol 19, No. 1, 1993, pg. 36)

13.) Lesbian biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling of Brown University, responding to the "born that way" argument:

"It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sawy in court. For me, it's a very shaky palce. It's bad science and bad politics. It seems to me that the way we consider homosexuality in our culture is an ethical and a moral one."

14.) Camille Paglia, lesbiam activist: "Homosexuality is 'not normal'. On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single, relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."

Camille Paglia: " Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is highly refractory, and once the sensory pathways have been blazed -- a phenmenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction...helping to learn how to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perferctly worthy aim."

Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Boys victimized by older men are far more likely to be homosexual as adults, and the cycle often repeats itself. More environmental factors.

15.) Noted child sex-abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likley to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had such an experience. Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their victimization experiences."

(Bill Watkins & Aaron Bentovim, "The Sexual Bause of Male Adolescents: A Review of Current Research, " Journal of Child Psychiatry 33, (1992); in Byren Finkelman, Sexual Abuse(New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316

16.) The Archives of Sexual Behavior:

"One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender."

(Marie, E. Tomeo "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescent Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons." Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)

17.) A study of 279 homosexual and bisexual men with Aids and control patients reported:

"More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years."

(Harry W. Haverkos, "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)

18.) A stduy of 229 convicted child molesters found that:

"86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."

(W.D. Erickson, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)

19.) A National Institue of Justice report states that:

"the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people...who experienced no victimization as children."

(Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences, Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief (March 1995): 6)

20.) A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had beenvictims of contact sexual abuse as a child.

(Michelle Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What offenders Tell Us" Child Abuse and Neglect 19, (1995): 582)

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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Here's proof!

21 posted on 12/13/2004 10:08:53 AM PST by lormand (Yankee Go Home!...but please take me with you)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Thank You, great job! may I copy it and send it on? I'd like to send it to Article 8 and govt official;s in the area, perhaps others will do the same! They should all see it, even the White House!
22 posted on 12/13/2004 10:09:25 AM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Of course there's not a "gay gene."

Such a thing could hardly evolve now, could it?
How do you pass something along if you have no progeny?

23 posted on 12/13/2004 10:10:37 AM PST by Redbob
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To: starfish923

The most recent genetics-based identical twin study re-confims for about the fourth time now, what other identical twins studies have shown, that homosexuality is not "genetic".

Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was "genetic", then if one twin was homosexual, the other would be too. But this is not the case, far from it in fact.

Homosexuality has been proven by this study and multiple others to not be "genetic."

24 posted on 12/13/2004 10:11:17 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Hildy

It may not be a genetic thing yet still be at least partially biological in origin.
There's been some studies that show that various hormone levels in the mother may have something to do with it. I think the most recent one was something with thyroid hormones, can't quite remember.


25 posted on 12/13/2004 10:13:21 AM PST by LizardQueen
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To: Travis McGee

Good work. It seems the genetic predisposition of homsexuality is comparable to the predisposition to addictive behavioral tendencies:

For instance, certain ethnic groups appear to have a greater predisposition to alcoholism. This doesn't mean that being born Irish makes one an alcoholic, or excuses alcholism. The way many in AA put heredity and alcholism is like this: Dysfunctional upbringing (i.e., the environment) causes dysfuntional emotional states and poor copign skills, which in turn causes tendencies towards addictive behaviors. If a person has a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism and drinks heavily, that addictive tendency will be expressed through alcholism.

I've heard friends and associates discuss their upbringing, heard mandatory "sexual identity" discussions in college, and read numerous articles. Of dozens and dozens of people describing how they first realized they were homosexual, ALL involved sexual experiences which I would categorize as abusive and severely damaging if they were heterosexual. (example: A journalist wrote, "I discovered my true secuality through an experience that was at first horrifying, then liberating, which occurred in a public mens room when I was eight years old.")

I believe most homosexuality is a coping mechanism that is a response to severely dysfunctional situations. The normalization of homosexuality probably only lowers the threshold of adopting homosexual tendencies as a response.

26 posted on 12/13/2004 10:13:41 AM PST by dangus
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To: Servant of the 9

Actually, the variability has now been confirmed to be less tha 39%. The percentage is going down.

Read this article at

It shows, along with the other scientific studies, that homosexuality is not "genetic."

27 posted on 12/13/2004 10:14:23 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: lormand

Proof of what? Are you trying to induce homosexuality? :^D

28 posted on 12/13/2004 10:14:47 AM PST by dangus
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To: Hildy

In a gay bar, you don't need to worry about chocolate and flowers

29 posted on 12/13/2004 10:15:43 AM PST by metacognative (expecting exculpation?!)
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To: starfish923

Concerning post #24. I forgot to provide a link to the info that I posted there.

30 posted on 12/13/2004 10:16:47 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Bump for the file

31 posted on 12/13/2004 10:18:01 AM PST by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks for the compliment.

32 posted on 12/13/2004 10:18:40 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Sorry but I don't believe that homosexuality exists at all - it's just a name that the proponents of a particular activity (or classification of activities) have given to try to legitimize it. The trick to doing that is to make it seem that there is a whole group of like-minded people who have the same innate characteristic - in fact, born that way and hence it is justified. I think that there is only an inherent sexual drive that we are all born with - and the classification isn't between heterosexual and homosexual, it's between normal and perverted - and it isn't about 'who one is', it's about 'what one does'. In the above article, Paglia is probably closest to the truth when it comes to how homosexuality is defined.
33 posted on 12/13/2004 10:20:01 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: gidget7

Thanks for the compliments.

As well, I don't see why you couldn't use this in a variety of ways. People need to get the facts.

34 posted on 12/13/2004 10:20:54 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I agree that it most likely has little or nothing to do with genetics, but I also doubt that many of them have much of a choice in it. There are a great many homosexuals who desperately want not to be gay and even go so far as to marry and have families in an effort to be straight. If it were just a choice these men could make then they definately would not be gay.

35 posted on 12/13/2004 10:23:30 AM PST by elmer fudd
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id say it's mostly genetic. I mean you can find tons of animals that exhibit in same-sex behavior. Were they brought up gay or molested as a child? I mean come on. You think a lot of people want to be gay? I doubt it. It is just the way it is.

36 posted on 12/13/2004 10:23:44 AM PST by TerP26
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Sexuality is highly fluid ...
Bada-bing ...
37 posted on 12/13/2004 10:25:12 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

38 posted on 12/13/2004 10:25:35 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: metacognative
"In a gay bar, you don't need to worry about chocolate and flowers"

Hmmm... There might be something to this. Do you have to worry about them talking over the football game or do they pay attention and follow the game just like regular guys?... ;-)

39 posted on 12/13/2004 10:28:08 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: TerP26

You think people want to be pedophiles? Come on.

You think people want to be rapists? Come on.

You think people want to be animal torturers? Come on.

You think people want to be theives/kleptomaniacs/arsonists/liars/adulterers/embezzelers/herion addicts etcetcetc? Come on.

40 posted on 12/13/2004 10:28:45 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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