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War Unwinnable In Face Of Renewed German Offensive
Transterrestrial Musings ^ | December 17th, 2004 | Rand Simberg

Posted on 12/17/2004 6:50:17 AM PST by NonZeroSum

December 17th, 1944

PARIS (Routers) Long-time critics of the Roosevelt administration declared themselves vindicated today, as the Germans began a renewed offensive yesterday in the Ardennes Forest in Belgium, opening a huge hole in the "Allied" lines and throwing back troops for miles, with previously unimaginable US casualties.

Early yesterday morning, eight German armored divisions and thirteen German infantry divisions launched an all-out attack on five divisions of the United States 1st Army. Hundreds of heavy guns, howitzers and multiple-rocket launchers were fired on American positions.

The 5th and 6th Panzer armies, consisting of some eleven divisions, broke through the Loshein Gap against the American divisions protecting the region. The 6th Panzer Army then headed north while the Fifth Panzer Army went south. The latter army attacked the U. S. VIII Corps some 100 miles to the south, which was quickly surrounded, resulting in mass surrenders of unprepared American soldiers. By any reasonable and objective standard, it was an utter military disaster for the "Allied" forces.

It all came as a complete shock to the Roosevelt administration who, rumor has it, had been informed by the head of OSS that the imminent collapse of the German army was a "lead-pipe cinch." This only confirmed reasonable pre-election suspicions that the administration and General Eisenhower were operating on flawed intelligence, and led the nation into an invasion of Europe on clearly false pretenses.

This new setback came amidst continuing problems with the new government in France, installed by the "Allies." Many consider it a puppet, lacking legitimacy, and it has proven itself inept. The situation is chaotic, and "President" De Gaulle has shown himself to be unable to control food riots, or prevent the commission of massacres of former regime loyalists and the German troops who had supported the overthrown legitimate Vichy government. Though elections are promised sometime in the future, there is widespread doubt, given the infighting between FRLs, communists, and Gaullists, that peaceful and orderly elections can be held any time soon or that civil war can be prevented.

Many have pointed out that the troop strength on the continent has been inadequate since the invasion at Normandy last June, and that this only confirmed that. In addition, they say, it didn't help that, due to incompetence at the highest levels, up to the newly installed Secretary of War Hull, many troops died as a result of our own bombs.

"They ignored our warnings about getting embroiled in a quagmire here, and this campaign has been a disaster, from the hundreds killed in training, to the thousands who died on the beaches in France," said an anonymous State Department source. He continued, "We've also shamed ourselves before the world with our reckless policies and atrocities." In the wake of all this, some, off the record, are suggesting that it's time to consider impeachment of the recently reelected president.

Back in Washington, despite lofty rhetoric from the White House about the "liberation" of Europe, many had always been skeptical about the prospects for defeating Germany. As they correctly point out, the Germans are after all defending their homeland, and no matter how bad the alleged depravations of the Nazi regime, all familiar with the German character know that they can be depended on to fight to the death against any foreign invader, no matter how well intentioned. Many of the German dead or captured for the past few weeks have been adolescents, some only fourteen or fifteen years old, with dead, untrained yet willing hands clinging to their rifles. Seeing such images of dedication to the cause, it's difficult for many to believe that victory is possible.

As a result, the new setback has renewed rumbling among some that the time has come to seek an accord with the Nazi regime that could allow a withdrawal from Europe with honor, and not lose any more American troops in a hopeless cause, let alone bog them down for an unforeseeable period of time. "It was Japan that attacked us, not Germany," pointed out a Senate staffer. "We need to focus our resources on the true enemy in the Pacific."


Some staffers on Capitol Hill implied that the timing itself of the offensive was suspicious. "Hitler wanted Roosevelt to be reelected, so that he could continue to fight a war against a sick, senile incompetent. Had he started this offensive before the election back on November 7th, everyone would have seen what a disaster this president has been on foreign policy, and Hitler would have had to confront a young, vibrant Tom Dewey."

Others, representing moderate Democrats, seemed resigned. "We're stuck with a stubborn megalomaniac who's eventually going to have us at war with the rest of the world. How long will our Russian allies put up with this kind of behavior? How can we found or host a 'United Nations' when we ourselves are the author of so much aggression?"


(Copyright 2004, by Rand Simberg)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: battleofthebulge; enemywithin; handwringers; impeach; iraq; leftistmedia; oif; quagmire; roosevelt
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Boy, the more things change...
1 posted on 12/17/2004 6:50:18 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum

Quagmire!


2 posted on 12/17/2004 6:51:52 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox" Greg!)
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To: NonZeroSum; snippy_about_it; Valin; Professional Engineer; PhilDragoo; colorado tanker; alfa6

If today's MSM covered the Bulge Bump


3 posted on 12/17/2004 6:53:14 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: NonZeroSum
Yeah, but back them we had the likes of Patton. Patton would never survive in today's PC world.

"We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-b*tches, we're going to rip out their living Godd*mned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun c*cksuckers by the bushel-f*cking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!" -- George S. Patton
4 posted on 12/17/2004 6:53:18 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Fierce Allegiance; All

We're doomed!!!! They don't want freedom!!! They don't deserve freedom!!! Let's just stick our heads in the sand... Hitler was not an immediate threat anyway..


5 posted on 12/17/2004 6:55:21 AM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: NonZeroSum

Sofar, the only wars we haven't won are the ones we didn't commit to winning.


6 posted on 12/17/2004 7:00:33 AM PST by evad (DUmmie FUnnies and Pookie Toons-the start of a nice day)
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To: KevinDavis

Sad to think this could have been the case. It's very nice to be able to joke about it using English.


7 posted on 12/17/2004 7:02:28 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox" Greg!)
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To: NonZeroSum
...as the Germans began a renewed offensive yesterday in the Ardennes Forest in Belgium,

That's the Battle of the Bulge baby! December 16th, 1944.

8 posted on 12/17/2004 7:02:42 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All I ask from livin' is to have no chains on me. All I ask from dyin' is to go naturally.)
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To: NonZeroSum

good stuff...

Maybe we could unearth a fax blasted out by UFPJ decrying the waste of human life on June 6th, 1944 and how the military bungled the invasion and planning for the event...

Hitler's not such a bad guy, LOL


9 posted on 12/17/2004 7:03:43 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
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To: NonZeroSum
Oh, I get it. This is supposed to be a clever analogy of our current situation in Iraq.

Let's see. December 17th, 1944... That was before the end of "major combat operations" in Europe, right? Before the military declared, "Mission accomplished"? Did we lose more American soldiers after the war with Germany ended?

10 posted on 12/17/2004 7:04:45 AM PST by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: 2banana

I remember reading the real Patton speech a few years ago. Glad he was on our side.


11 posted on 12/17/2004 7:06:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: 2banana
Patton would never survive in today's PC world.

He barely survived in the 1940's world! Patton came very close to being cashiered out of the service because of the slapping incidents. Ike kept him in the closet during the ramp up to D-day, partly as a ruse in the FORTITUDE deception, but also to keep him from giving the press more fodder.

12 posted on 12/17/2004 7:07:16 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: snippy_about_it

I blame Harry Hopkins!


13 posted on 12/17/2004 7:11:11 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: 2banana
Patton would never survive in today's PC world.

PC world today? How about during the greatest war in history .... when Soviets were shooting thousands of their own soldiers ... Patton was relieved and sent to a 'doghouse' for slapping two soldiers.

14 posted on 12/17/2004 7:12:30 AM PST by Yasotay
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To: NonZeroSum

There was a breakdown in intel! Out light infantry did not have enough armored vehicles. This entire farce was clearly poorly thought out.


15 posted on 12/17/2004 7:12:49 AM PST by Gamecock (The GRPL and the Calvinist Swarm: United As One Body: 16 December, 2004.)
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To: NonZeroSum

President" De Gaulle has shown himself to be unable to control food riots, or prevent the commission of massacres of former regime loyalists

(A bit off topic)
Anyone notice we're not seeing Baathists being rounded up and thrown in jail or be publicly humiliated. Unlike "civilized" France after the war.


16 posted on 12/17/2004 7:15:11 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Yasotay

How about the fact that we DID NOT HAVE THE BEST PLANES at the start of the war?

How about the fact that we did not have adequate personal fire arms, tanks (throughout the entire war) and so on.

Improvements came IN THE COURSE of prosecuting the war.

In WWII we went to war against the Axis with the army we had, not the army the leftists wanted to nitpick.


17 posted on 12/17/2004 7:21:03 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: NonZeroSum

How did the President get us into this wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time?


18 posted on 12/17/2004 7:23:01 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: 2banana

Made my blood race to read your post, wanted to reach for an M1 and a few bandoleers of 8 round clips,,,,and I would know what to do!


19 posted on 12/17/2004 7:27:30 AM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: 2banana

"Yeah, but back them we had the likes of Patton. Patton would never survive in today's PC world."

Today, we have Donald Rumsfield and it is starting to look like Rumsfield will not survive in today's PC World. I predict that Rumsfield will resign early in '05 and we will start troop reductions in Iraq by late fall of '05. By mid 2006 the concensus will be that we lost the war in Iraq.
God, I hope I am wrong.


20 posted on 12/17/2004 7:31:26 AM PST by Bar-Face
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