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To: U S Army EOD; Nick Danger; Cindy; Alamo-Girl; cyncooper; Fedora
Add to this thread ...the very interesting article below:

Mandela picks Iraq over U.S. National Post ^ | October 11 2002 | R.W. Johnson

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DURBAN - In an extraordinary twist to the current tensions between the United States and Iraq, former South African president (and Nobel Peace Prize winner) Nelson Mandela has not only sided strongly against President George W. Bush, but appears on the point of being recruited to a stratagem by Saddam Hussein to block U.S. military intervention.

Mandela has uttered stronger and stronger statements critical of Bush. Originally he attempted to telephone the U.S. President to communicate his views, but Bush did not take his calls, so Mandela phoned ex-president George Bush Sr. to complain about his son and ask for his criticisms to be passed on. When this failed to move Bush Jr., Mandela declared the U.S. threat of pre-emptive war to bring about regime change in Iraq meant that the United States, not Iraq, was now "a danger to world peace." He followed this up by announcing that "some people" were saying that the United States was flouting the United Nations' authority because Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary-General, was a black man.

Last week Mandela went further still, no longer putting such allegations in the mouths of "some people," but openly charging that the Bush administration was acting out of racist and white supremacist motives in not "obeying" Kofi Annan. "No country, however powerful it may be, is entitled to act outside the UN. When UN secretaries-general were white we never had the question of any country ignoring the United Nations, but now that we have got black secretaries-general like Boutros Boutros-Ghali and Kofi Annan certain countries that believe in white supremacy are ignoring the UN for racist reasons."

At the same time, Mandela has declared himself willing to serve on a panel of "12 wise men" proposed by Saddam Hussein to oversee the UN inspectors, provided this plan finds acceptance with the UN. The panel is quite clearly intended to create a supra-national body that will interpose itself between Iraq and possible Anglo-American intervention. Quite clearly, the idea would be to pack the panel with personalities likely to oppose U.S. action.

Already Saddam has mentioned ex-president Jimmy Carter as a possible member, clearly in anticipation that Carter would share Al Gore's critical attitude towards the Bush position.

Moreover, Saddam is hoping to push onto such a panel figures whom he can covertly influence or control. One such is former president Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia. Kaunda, who progressively ran the Zambian economy into the ground during his 28 years in office, also ran seriously short of dollars by the end and Saddam stepped in to provide aid. Kaunda's friendship with Saddam blossomed as Kaunda discovered that they shared the same birthday, and was then afforded a diplomatic coup when Saddam released a British prisoner, Daphne Parish, to him -- allowing Kaunda to present her back to a grateful Britain. Kaunda happily had one of the main streets in Lusaka, Zambia's capital, renamed as Saddam Hussein Boulevard.

Naturally, Saddam's leverage with Kaunda increased immensely after he fell from power in 1993. Kaunda, suddenly bereft of the state patronage and funds he had relied on, needed Saddam's subventions all the more. In return he has been a frequent, albeit somewhat gloomy, attendee at state functions in Baghdad. Naturally, in putting forward Kaunda's name as one of the "wise men" Saddam makes much of his role in supporting the cause of African freedom: There is no mention of these ties which would make it extremely hard to imagine Kaunda taking any other side but Saddam's.

Mandela's case is more complex. He shares the general Third World nervousness at the new doctrine of "regime change" -- for if the United States is to start deposing Third World dictators on general principle, many of Mandela's friends and donors would be at risk. In the run-up to the 1994 election in South Africa, Mandela raised prodigious sums of money for his African National Congress -- including from such undemocratic regimes as Libya, Saudi Arabia, Suharto's Indonesia -- and Saddam's Iraq....

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8 posted on 12/26/2004 12:50:28 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Thank you for the ping piasa.


10 posted on 12/26/2004 1:33:54 AM PST by Cindy
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To: piasa
I first thought that this was a figment of Ritter's ego and never took place, however the concept of deceit was there, but Ritter makes himself a ringleader. Is Ritter looking for notoriety in being a player? I'll take his word if we can get a conviction on him! But I'm skeptical to his role. Here's another article on the connections.

'Wise man' Madiba sought for Iraqi mission

Sunday Independent September 29 2002

"Kenneth Kaunda, the former Zambian president, has also been pencilled in as a member of the team of international "guards"."

12 posted on 12/26/2004 2:33:46 AM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: piasa

Thanks; good digging. Does this imply Mandela's other allies in US politics were also involved in the OFF bribe nexus?--Jesse Jackson, Congressional Black Caucus, etc.? And is there any relation here to Bill Clinton's Africa trip that Joseph Wilson co-organized with Jackson and others? On that note--putting two and two together here (and perhaps getting five if I'm wrong, LOL!)--this reminds me of some of the South African nuclear connections you found a while ago.


16 posted on 12/26/2004 2:01:04 PM PST by Fedora
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To: piasa

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 12/26/2004 7:58:25 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; cyncooper; doug from upland; Cincinatus' Wife

bump


23 posted on 08/24/2005 7:07:11 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: backhoe

Seen this yet?


24 posted on 08/24/2005 7:09:22 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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