Posted on 12/29/2004 1:52:30 PM PST by FairOpinion
There was uproar in Republican circles last week when California Governor Arnold Scharzenegger (search) was quoted in a German newspaper saying that the Republican Party should "move a little further left." But the reporter who conducted the interview now says Schwarzenegger never actually said that.
Marc Hujer translated Schwarzenegger's English remarks into German and says he changed the phrasing to make the interview more understandable to a German audience. Schwarzenegger actually said he'd like to "Keep [the Republican Party] to the right where it is, but ... cross over that centerline a little bit, because that would immediately take away 5 percent from the Democrats."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
And now you say, "There isn't any one group, that has enough people, to provide a Republican (or Dem) win by itself."
In other words, you misrepresented the true political landscape in your first post.
Setting that aside, it doesn't necessarily follow that moving left is the way to capture more votes. I hear that assertion made often, yet I've yet to see evidence to back it up.
Bump!
I disagree. The final results clearly demonstrate the McClintock would also have won. Now I don't mean to rehash the McClintock/Arnold debate here, but just because Arnold won under a unique set of circumstances doesn't mean only liberal-centrists can win in the future.
I'm old-fashioned, I don't stray over the centerline to gain advantage, some folks do..
I like governors that blend into the woodwork and just get the job done.
Happy Holiday and here's to the battles ahead on Sacramento. :-)
If Schwarzenegger gave the interview in English, then what you have below is an English to German to English document.
At any rate, there doesn't seem to me to be a whole lot to fudge in translation, since I think the terms almost translate literally.
....Start copy & paste of previous post:
Here's my translation of the paragraph in question:
Sueddeutsche.de
17.12.2004
Interview mit Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Dieser Laden hier soll explodieren"
Interview: Marc Hujer
begin excerpt:
SZ: Mr Governor, moderate republicans complain that America has taken the wrong course, that the "neo-conservatives" have hi-jacked the party. To whom does the future belong in the Republican party, George Bush and Dick Cheney or moderate republicans like John McCain and Rudolph Giuliani?
Schwarzenegger: It has to adjust somewhat. The Republican party covers at present only the spectrum from far right (Rechtsaußen.....outside right would be the literal translation....[lj]) to the middle; and the democratic party covers the spectrum from the left to the middle. I would wish that the Republican party crosses this dividing line, shifts somewhat more to the left and puts more emphasis on the middle. This would immediately give the party five per cent more votes, without it losing some somewhere else.
end excerpt
Translated by longjack
The link to the original German article:
Sueddeutsche.de...."Dieser Laden hier soll explodieren"
... end copy and paste of link
The link to my original FR post:
longjack
Arnie ain't NEVER gonna blend into the woodwork. BUT, McClintock's coming on strong.... And I think he's got a good chance. I'm looking forward to helping on his campaign.
There is nothing conservative about RINOneggar or his supporters...they are yeller-dawg Pubbies who don't care that they're becoming the "other" liberal party. Pubbies and 'Rats are equally guilty of spin, as this inane thread proves.
Scouts out! Cavalry Ho!
"and puts more emphasis on the middle. "
Thank you very much for your translation, and the context of what the question was, that Arnold responded to. Looks like the German article preserved more of the context, than when our MSM got hold of it, and omitted the parts giving it context.
The title of the article is correct. My comment in paranthesis, helping people get an idea, what the article is about is ALSO correct, it's a quote from the article itself.
What you are really objecting to is exactly that I am letting people find out the truth, and correct the falsehood, which people here latched onto, by believing what the MSM told them, because this time the MSM said something they wanted to believe, that Arnold was not behaving as a "true Republican".
The truth is that Arnold is more of a "real Republican", than those who would prefer the Republican party to slip into oblivion, by only catering to the extreme right.
No it doesn't, even if inserting the "Arnold merely wants the Republicans to get another 5% of the vote" quote as a smokescreen.
Arnold is quoted as saying in English "Keep [the Republican Party] to the right where it is, but ... cross over that centerline a little bit,.........". Now, what is it about "cross over that centerline a bit" that you don't understand to mean that Republicans should move to the left???
Liberals attempt to gain votes by adjusting and repackaging what they believe, as evidenced by Der Schlickmeister. Conservatives gain votes by convincing people that conservative beliefs are correct, as evidenced by Ronaldus Magnus. That's a huge difference, and illuminates where Ah-nold is between the two.
I have no argument with you there. But I would still rather have Arnold there than Grey or another Democrat.
I believe that a staunch Conservative with very, very good communication skills could win even in California. But communication skills is all important. Arnold had them better than the other candidates. Movie stars have a built in advantage, remember Regan?
Well said, and thank you for the ping.
Well said.
Arnie is a pro-abortion, socially liberal RINO, that is already apparent. That he would want the Republican Party to move more toward his position is natural and predictable. I fail to see the controversy from that.
What is most curious to me is this presumption that to get more votes one must move along this left-right spectrum to claim the middle. It actually makes more sense to deeply energize your base and make sure you get a higher turnout of your rank and file. Many conservatives did not vote simply because they see little difference between the top candidates on key issues and dont care to vote for the 'lesser of evils'.
So the Republicans could make up that 5% and alot more not by moving to the middle or to the left but by simply being consistent with their principles and platform so that people know certainly where the Republican Party stands.
Hmm... wonder why FR's most prolific poster of Arnold news items missed this.
OK, no, I don't.
I haven't looked at the thread, but I'm guessing that not one scorched earther will admit error. Still working on making themselves feel better about their mistake.
Dan
We have a saying in the South, where I lived the majority of my life..."ya dance with the one who brung ya". Conservatives brung the Pubbies to power in '80 and in '94, but we've been sitting out one dance after another while the GOP dances with the fags, the illegal scumbag aliens, the gun grabbers, the NEA, etc.
If that's the way you do it in Kalifornia, fine. Just don't bring that crap to Idaho when you decide it's time to leave your sinking ship.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
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