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Judge to hubby: Forget prenup, pay up
Boston Herald ^ | Thursday, December 30, 2004 | David Weber

Posted on 12/30/2004 8:52:27 AM PST by Radix

In a possibly precedent-setting case, the state Appeals Court has ruled that an ex-wife is entitled to alimony even though she signed a prenuptial agreement waiving it.
Donna Austin was 37, and Craig Austin was 35 when they were married in May 1989, each for the second time. Two days before the wedding, Craig Austin presented Donna with a prenuptial agreement, which she signed, according to her attorney, Dana Curhan.
The Appeals Court upheld the portion of the prenuptial that protected assets Craig Austin had acquired before the wedding. But it said Donna Austin's waiver of alimony was not reasonable at the time she and Craig Austin signed the document.
``It was unreasonable to expect that his spouse, who then had no assets and negligible earning capacity, would contribute to the marriage by raising his child and by supporting his ability to work outside the home, with no expectation of future support, no matter how long the marriage, and regardless whether she might never acquire assets of her own,'' Justice Fernande Duffly wrote in the court's opinion.
Craig Austin's attorney, Jacob Atwood, said he will appeal the decision. Atwood said Donna Austin benefitted greatly by receiving ``hundreds of thousands of dollars'' in the division of property assets at the end of the Sandwich couple's 12-year marriage.
``I think this decision flies in the teeth of the DeMatteo case,'' Atwood said, referring to a 2002 Supreme Judicial Court decision upholding prenuptial agreements except in cases where one of the marital parties was left with an extreme hardship.
But Donna Austin's attorney said, ``The court is saying that by waiving her right to alimony, she was essentially waiving her future rights, which was not a realistic thing to do.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: alimony; badjudge; divorce; familylaw; prenuptial; ruleoflawnot; ruling
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To: gogeo

Not the women that I know.

We should take a poll of the women at freerepublic and see what they say.


281 posted on 12/30/2004 1:17:34 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: gogeo
All the literature I've seen suggests that while wives may be upset at affairs, they do not consider it generally to be cause for divorce.

Yeah, it's much better to let them stay so you can torture them on a daily basis >:>

282 posted on 12/30/2004 1:17:57 PM PST by najida (Some days you beat the dragon, other days you're Lunch.)
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To: najida

ROFL!!!


283 posted on 12/30/2004 1:18:33 PM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: Radix

The courts are very feminist in Massachusetts. Tons of female judges and their male camp followers. Some are half OK while many are full blown feminazis. Male feminazis too. A great place for a guy to get reamed out in a divorce.


284 posted on 12/30/2004 1:18:36 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Smittie

And from experience I can say this: you have to BOTH feel that way for it to be true. One isn't enough. Mine lasted over 20 years too, and when I was served papers it was an utter and total shock.

Before that day I had little respect for divorced people and bought into the 50/50 fault lie. I often said exactly what you say in your post.

And what you say IS true as long as both of you STAY on board. If only one of you really sees it as "for life," then it won't be.


285 posted on 12/30/2004 1:21:04 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: Motherbear

The problem with you argument is that it makes sense and is logical.


286 posted on 12/30/2004 1:23:14 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: CzarNicky
Wouldn't surprise me at all. This might sound sexist according to the PC crowd, but over time, women are much more vindictive versus men. It is kind of interesting, when men fight each other, after the fight is done, they end up becoming friends and have respect for each other but with a woman, the fight might finish for now but the war has just started !

On that note, when I was in grad school, there were a couple of girls I knew who had this "princess" or "queen" attitude. They (two different occasions, two different times) tried some attitude with me and I laid it on the line and basically told them they are no better than anyone else and told them "their sh*t stinks just as bad as everyone else".

On your scenario, it probably already happens except the word, "lawsuit" is used to dig for gold.

I expect at sometime your scenario will apply to men who never even met the woman but she wants his assets anyway.
287 posted on 12/30/2004 1:49:38 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: luckystarmom

You're right. Just because one person files for divorce does not mean that's the person who wants it.


288 posted on 12/30/2004 1:54:55 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Motherbear
It doesn't even come into play until one person asks for a divorce.

That's exactly the point. A divorce, which is seeking legal dissolution of the marriage, ipso facto is concurrently seeking dissolution of the prenuptial contract.

That is to say, one party seeks to break the contract. Breaking contracts unilaterally is always dicey business.

While the marriage is still in force, the terms of the prenuptial contract are deemed to be complied with. Hence, there is no problem with the contract or it's terms.

That is why it doesn't come into play until divorce is invoked.

If prenups were not valid contracts willfully and legally entered into by both parties, they would not be recognized by any court in the land, save perhaps Louisiana, as they, as contracts, would not be deemed governed by the Uniform Commercial Code, and thus would be unenforceable in a court of law. There would consequently be no reason for them to exist, and therefore they would not exist.

Like I say, I'm not a lawyer, but that's how I see it.

CA....

289 posted on 12/30/2004 2:01:42 PM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: WildTurkey

(You don't spring a prenup on your lady two days before the wedding.)

...but it's ok to kill a baby when it's 70% out of the womb! I'd say that's ...rude too!
Back to the point, I agree with you that it's rude, but should it disqualify it as a contract?


290 posted on 12/30/2004 2:07:51 PM PST by winner3000
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To: muir_redwoods
You assume that it had not been discussed before then. They might have been working out final terms and signed it just before the wedding.

Buy a clue. The following is from the article:

"Two days before the wedding, Craig Austin presented Donna with a prenuptial agreement, which she signed, according to her attorney, Dana Curhan."

The word 'presented' implies that she saw it for the first time.

291 posted on 12/30/2004 2:08:32 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Patton@Bastogne
2) Contracts are Contacts ... and this "absurd" court decision will be overturned on it's head, to be flushed down the toilet wher it deserves to be.

If someone literally holds a gun to your head in order to get you to sign over the deed to your house; is that a valid contract?

292 posted on 12/30/2004 2:13:10 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Radix

Maybe the terms of the prenup left her with no settlement at all, and so was not really a contract (no consideration given). If there was a predefined settlement, I would think it should have held up.


293 posted on 12/30/2004 2:16:34 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: DennisR

Also known as a Mineshaft Divorce; she gets the gold mine, you get the shaft.


294 posted on 12/30/2004 2:27:01 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Still Thinking

Clauses that waive alimony are always tricky. The best ones are very very very explicit. Even to the point of puting acknowledgments regarding the ecconomic and career differences.


295 posted on 12/30/2004 2:28:28 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Still Thinking
Maybe the terms of the prenup left her with no settlement at all, and so was not really a contract (no consideration given). If there was a predefined settlement, I would think it should have held up.

That, of course, remains a possibility. However, the article, which was woefully short on facts, does not raise that issue.

Still, valid point.

CA....

296 posted on 12/30/2004 2:31:45 PM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: RobRoy

Close - it was the old "irreconcilable differences" garbage.


297 posted on 12/30/2004 3:48:25 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable hints that God exists)
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To: longtermmemmory
Hard to see how she pulled that off and why she and her lawyer were not held in contempt.

He told me the judge offered to lock her up, but as I said he declined in the interest of the child. I remember him telling me the judge said to her something like "You're a very lucky woman..."

298 posted on 12/30/2004 4:50:31 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: connectthedots

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You KNOW that isn't what I meant ...

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299 posted on 12/30/2004 4:51:15 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Kurt_D
The question is... was the prenup a completely valid contract at the time it was signed?

I hate the divorce laws here. For the most part, I think the laws are designed to screw men. Having said that, I have always thought pre nup agreements were not worth the paper they were written on. I think it sucks, but I am surely not surprised by this ruling.

300 posted on 12/30/2004 5:00:24 PM PST by Mark17
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