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Heavy Questions (obesity)
NY Times Magazine ^ | January 2, 2005 | ELIZABETH WEIL

Posted on 01/02/2005 12:04:52 AM PST by neverdem

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To: CajunConservative

Good point about shrimp being inexpensive there. And yes it is a great diet meal.

Don't agree with the HFCS theory--you'd have to disprove the sheer lack of exercise first. Kids don't have playgrounds anymore because of lawsuits. Someone on FR was telling me about how some kids can't even have friends over anymore because if something happened to the friend, the parents would be hit with lawsuits. Kids aren't allowed to be kids. Etc etc.


41 posted on 01/02/2005 6:58:43 AM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Cheaper then fast food and ready in about the same amount of time.

That's true, but you have to spend some time going to buy the ingredients, spend some time preparing the meal, and spend some time cleaning up afterward. It sounds like it's just too inconvenient for these folks to go to all that trouble.

42 posted on 01/02/2005 7:04:01 AM PST by Bob
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To: neverdem
Article: Many believe that there is, most likely, a set of genes that makes some people more susceptible than others. Butte suggests that at least part of the genetic component may be related to ''the thrifty-gene hypothesis,'' the theory that some combinations of chromosomes create a situation in which cells are more inclined to store calories efficiently for times of scarcity. Some researchers have speculated that because many Mexican-Americans are descendants of American Indian hunter-gatherers, who evolved to store fat more easily for times of famine, those living a sedentary life in modern westernized societies with access to fast food may be more prone to gain weight.

There's your answer right there. Why is this a big "mystery?"

The Hispanic fertility rate in the US is about 3.0 children per woman, which is almost twice the Caucasian fertility rate. If "thrifty genes" really are the cause of much Hispanic obesity, and if Hispanics are having twice as many kids (almost) as the general population, *do the math.*

Further, unlike the past, there's no strong negative selection pressure *against* those children that have the most obesity-causing genes. In the non-medical past, those at the extreme would have developed Type 2 diabetes and died without passing on their genes (assuming they even got enough to eat to develop diabetes in the first place.)

In any case, in this medicalized society, those who develop Type 2 early on *will* probably go on to have children. Combined with the higher fertility rate, it's no surprise that the rates of both obesity and diabetes are increasing *in this population set.*

43 posted on 01/02/2005 7:07:45 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: Nakatu X
Isn't shrimp very low in calories? Scampi isn't fried, either. And isn't it expensive for a town supposedly suffering from dire poverty?

Shrimp has gotten a lot cheaper over the years. Shrimp scampi is basically shrimp sauteed with garlic and some bread crumbs. The shrimp itself is almost pure protein; the bread crumbs provide far fewer carbs than deep-fried shrimp. You get a few calories from the butter or oil used to saute it, but again, it's less than deep-fried. The garlic probably has a protective effect on the heart and circulatory system. The child may actually be craving the garlic and may need more protein than she's getting.

44 posted on 01/02/2005 7:15:11 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: keats5
Both of the kids are over 100 pounds overweight. No one else in our family is grossly overweight. When they come to my house, they eat normal meals, and they do not seem to overeat.

But that's how "thrifty genes" work. There are about 60-80 that have been identified. When someone has the "full load," they do NOT have to overeat to get or stay fat. The body is incredibly efficient at storing energy.

45 posted on 01/02/2005 7:17:04 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: neverdem

If this is a New Yorker poking fun at flyover country, I do have to admit that Manhattan contains many beautiful, fit and slender ladies...is this article worth reading?


46 posted on 01/02/2005 7:21:06 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Bob
It sounds like it's just too inconvenient for these folks to go to all that trouble.

I suppose I shouldn't suggest paper plates should I?

Really it is sad, it takes very little time to sit down and work out quick and healthy meals. By the time you add in the "Sitting in the drive thru" time you would probably spend less time shopping, cooking and cleaning up. Not to mention all the money you save.

47 posted on 01/02/2005 7:25:35 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 14 and counting))
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To: Nakatu X

Just a lack of exercise alone doesn't cause young kids to be a type 2 diabetic or obese. Lack of exercise is a factor but the diet changed with the advent of the food guide pyramid. Fat became anathema and carbohydrates were the healthiest foods you could eat, so they said. The food companies took out the fat and added HFCS to *everything* to add back flavor and volume.

The thing is a constant consumption of HFCS causes the pancreas to continuously release insulin and insulin is a fat storing hormone.

I will give you an example from my family about simply changing diet can control the insulin spikes and assist with weight loss. My brother's blood sugar spiked to over 550 and nothing was bringing it down. I told him to give strict Atkins induction a chance and he did because he did not want to be hospitalized. Within two weeks his blood sugar levels were in the normal range, and he's lost almost sixty pounds in the last 3 months.

I know many many other diabetics who have gotten their blood sugar levels back to normal by getting off of refined carbs, primarily HFCS and white flour, and they are losing weight in the process. There is a correlation to the rapid rise in obesity with the use of the food guide pyramid and the massive use of HFCS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4808249/

http://www.iotf.org/media/syrup.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8003-2003Mar10?language=printer

http://www.diabetic-help.com/study_blames_corn_syrup_for_rise.htm


48 posted on 01/02/2005 7:36:17 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: MarkL
30 minutes or less . . .

You've been watching Rachael Ray? LOL

49 posted on 01/02/2005 7:40:10 AM PST by ConservativeBamaFan
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To: ConservativeBamaFan
You've been watching Rachael Ray? LOL

Every chance I get! She's just so cute and perky!

Although I do have to say, the "E-V-O-O" bothers me, and I don't know why!

Seriously though, I find that I can cook nearly anything I'm interested in eating in less than 30 minutes. Things that take longer can wait until the weekends.

Mark

50 posted on 01/02/2005 7:53:21 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: CajunConservative
Something else... Corn syrup is cheaper than sugar. So you find it nearly everywhere.

I seem to recall that Snapple originally had sugar in it, but the taste changed when they switched to HFCS. Same with Coca-Cola. Although with Coke, at certain times of the year, if you really look for it, you can find "Kosher for Passover" Coke that has sugar, rather than HFCS, and it really does taste better.

Mark

51 posted on 01/02/2005 7:56:32 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: MarkL

Of course I forgot the main reason to use the HFCS and partially hydrogenated fats, they are cheap, cheap, cheap.


52 posted on 01/02/2005 8:03:16 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: MarkL
Glad someone else is annoyed by the EVOO thing.

I think it is because she follows EVOO up by saying Extra virgin olive oil....every bloody time she uses it during the show.

I counted in one show she said it 6 times.

I like the show but it annoys me so much that I can't watch it unless she is making something I would be interested in.

She is tolerable in her $40 a day show, but can't stand her new show where she interrupts the celebs a lot.

53 posted on 01/02/2005 8:19:11 AM PST by CARDINALRULES (Ever find yourself posting messages just to show off your taglines?)
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To: Nakatu X

popular in parts of PA.


54 posted on 01/02/2005 8:35:09 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: jazzlite

I like your post. When I was a kid, we ate the same way but did not get fat. Why? Well we went out in the morning, or after school, we played all around town and sometimes forgot to come home at dinner time. Kids can't roam like we did, because society has lost the attitude that kids should be protected and drugs and crime are everywhere looking to hook kids into their downward spiral.

Even in college we joined teams and worked out so hard that sometimes I was too tired to eat dinner. I stopped working out as I aged and now have too much weight for my frame. But I was not a fat kid, because I was busy. Kids need to do more activity, and be busier. And knock off the TV.


55 posted on 01/02/2005 8:36:40 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Video games...they rather play football on a video screen then get out of the house and do it.

Hell I remember it was CRUEL to be trapped in the house as a kid...we were out the door after breakfast and back home in time for dinner...

56 posted on 01/02/2005 8:39:46 AM PST by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: valkyrieanne

Valid points. I have "Thrifty genes" I store fat easily and will easily survive a long bout with illness. People with my genes should not be allowed to eat anything we have not run down and killed with our bare hands. Becoming an engineer was one of the big mistakes as I should have been in a job that required physical labor and lots of time our of doors. Of course I am smart enough to know that I need more exercise and need to eat less. (Maybe this year?)


57 posted on 01/02/2005 8:41:57 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: neverdem
Isn't it nice that we are diverting so many of our own resources to care for the needs of illegals? < /sarcasm >
58 posted on 01/02/2005 8:43:27 AM PST by sweetliberty (Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should.)
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.


59 posted on 01/02/2005 8:45:28 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Cobra64

in looking at a recent book I bought called "Strange days,dangerous nights",(it's about St.Paul and newpaper
photography back in the early/mid 20th century) nearly everyone
smoked in all the pictures and NOBODY was fat.
Maybe we just replaced one vice with another? Chain smokers
ARE generally thin folks.


60 posted on 01/02/2005 9:09:07 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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