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1 posted on 01/02/2005 12:04:54 AM PST by neverdem
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The DemoRats have accused Republicans of trying to cut school lunch programs for the "poor"... looks like we were doing those poor fat slobs a favor.


2 posted on 01/02/2005 12:29:07 AM PST by ambrose
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To: neverdem
Throughout America, high-calorie fast food is cheaper than food that's good for you. Starr County has its share of franchises, including McDonald's, Dairy Queen, Jack in the Box and Burger King.

Unless you try, say, cooking from scratch.

3 posted on 01/02/2005 1:13:59 AM PST by andie74 (Proud Resident of Fly-Over Country)
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Somehow this must be Bush's fault.


4 posted on 01/02/2005 1:21:44 AM PST by Pusterfuss (You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is right. LBJ)
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Somehow, it's Boosh's fault.

7 posted on 01/02/2005 1:38:40 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: neverdem
Key quotes from the article say it all---and then some:

"...does her best to resist her chubby 6-year-old's relentless requests for shrimp scampi"

"...the teachers have to model it, because kids idolize their teachers, and if they don't, they're bad teachers...."

''pobrecito syndrome,'' an affliction of parents and other adults, passed down to youngsters, part fatalismo and part a communal throwing up of the hands. Pobrecito means ''poor little thing,'' and ''the pobrecito syndrome,'' Gonzalez said, occurs when parents ''feel sorry for their child and they're doing the best they can but -- they're just so sorry and they really do nothing.
BILL CLINTON "I FEEL YOUR PAIN" ALERT!

''most of the potential solutions rest either on very large changes in public policy or very small changes that individuals and families must make in the context of their own home.
HILLARY ALERT!!
10 posted on 01/02/2005 1:54:19 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly hammer on the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts)
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To: neverdem

Something that's not exactly hidden in this article is that for many families, either there isn't the time, or someone doesn't want to make the effort to actually cook food.

I have to admit that when I get home from work, the last thing that I want to do is actually make a healthy meal. But to say that fast food is cheaper than eating "real" food is silly. Sure, fast foods loaded with empty carbs and calories seem pretty cheap, but they're really not. What they are is quick and easy to serve and gulp down.

I know for a fact that in 30 minutes or less, I can make myself a healthy meal for the same or less than I would spend at a fast food restaurant. The problem is being willing to put in the effort.

Mark


12 posted on 01/02/2005 2:05:07 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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I really don't think we are in the middle of an obesity crisis.

Sure, some kids are a little bit overweight, but some kids have been overweight for a long time.

I think it comes down to personal responsibility. You should have the freedom to be overweight, but when you have consumers threatening to sue companies like McDonald's for making them fat, we have a major problem. THAT is the crisis, not the obesity.

Now McDonald's has gotten rid of super sized meals. I enjoy super sized meals and they got rid of them. It was a real bargain at only 39 cents extra. I blame it on the food nazis.


15 posted on 01/02/2005 2:50:13 AM PST by PokerGod
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The nut graf is the statement by the principal :-

''You can have my parking space, my office, I don't care, but I will never negotiate the kids. Those children's lives are my responsibility. Not only academically -- their lives physically are in my hands.''

This form of Socialist Humanitarianism has become the new religion among the intellectual elite.They have devalued children into spongy blobs,severed parental responsibility,destroyed families,fostered drug use,squandered government resources,encouraged sexual deviancy, and are determined to remove God from all public locations.

16 posted on 01/02/2005 2:56:05 AM PST by ijcr (Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
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I believe real the "root" cause of increasing childhood obesity, as well as much of adult obesity, is the result of the high rate of women in the workplace. The femnist movement that devalued "homemaking" plus the economic changes that require two workers to support a family for most middle class families have removed from the home for most of the day the one person whose overiding interest was in is feeding their family in a healthful way.

Also, the changes in the amounts and types of foods available in the grocery stores (frozen pizzas, prepared packaged foods, breads, pastries, etc.) have greatly increased carbohydrate consumption overall. Also, the profile of the types of fat consumed in the modern diet (more hydrogenated fats and chemically processed vegetable oils deficient in Omega 3 fats) is drastically different from the fats consumed by our grandparents and is probably contributing to health problems. Even meat foods and eggs available to us today do not have the same nutritional value (such as Omega 3 fat content) as they did in the past due the changes in what animals are fed. And yes, despite the assertions of many commenters on this thread, carbohydrate based foods bought at the grocery store cost less than meat and vegetables and are quicker to prepare and take less cleanup time.

Cooking all the meals "from scratch" for a family requires a lot of planning, shopping, preparation and cleanup time. And don't forget, one must also have the knowledge and cooking abilities to prepare good tasting food, an interest and talent that seems to be in short supply in modern families. To do this job cost effectively requires constant monitoring of grocery store sales and prices and shopping at several stores. If you are really interested in improving nutrition you might even seek out organic or locally grown fresh vegetables, something that is harder, takes more time and costs even more. I remember going to a local vegetable stand close to our home with my mother twice a week or more to get fresh vegetables in suburban Houston in the 1960's, something that is not available to many people today.

No one wants to address this fact but there are serious consequences for families and society in general to eliminating the at home, full-time caregiver and the obesity problem, in my opinion, is just one of them.

17 posted on 01/02/2005 3:11:16 AM PST by politeia
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I think brick laying, roofing and landscaping must all be fattening.


21 posted on 01/02/2005 3:50:01 AM PST by DainBramage
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Proclaim the GOOD NEWS! The biggest problem for poor people in America is obesity! Only 70 years ago, (1935) some people were going hungry.


24 posted on 01/02/2005 4:52:57 AM PST by Woodworker
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25 posted on 01/02/2005 4:58:42 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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bump and save


40 posted on 01/02/2005 6:51:32 AM PST by krunkygirl
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Article: Many believe that there is, most likely, a set of genes that makes some people more susceptible than others. Butte suggests that at least part of the genetic component may be related to ''the thrifty-gene hypothesis,'' the theory that some combinations of chromosomes create a situation in which cells are more inclined to store calories efficiently for times of scarcity. Some researchers have speculated that because many Mexican-Americans are descendants of American Indian hunter-gatherers, who evolved to store fat more easily for times of famine, those living a sedentary life in modern westernized societies with access to fast food may be more prone to gain weight.

There's your answer right there. Why is this a big "mystery?"

The Hispanic fertility rate in the US is about 3.0 children per woman, which is almost twice the Caucasian fertility rate. If "thrifty genes" really are the cause of much Hispanic obesity, and if Hispanics are having twice as many kids (almost) as the general population, *do the math.*

Further, unlike the past, there's no strong negative selection pressure *against* those children that have the most obesity-causing genes. In the non-medical past, those at the extreme would have developed Type 2 diabetes and died without passing on their genes (assuming they even got enough to eat to develop diabetes in the first place.)

In any case, in this medicalized society, those who develop Type 2 early on *will* probably go on to have children. Combined with the higher fertility rate, it's no surprise that the rates of both obesity and diabetes are increasing *in this population set.*

43 posted on 01/02/2005 7:07:45 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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If this is a New Yorker poking fun at flyover country, I do have to admit that Manhattan contains many beautiful, fit and slender ladies...is this article worth reading?


46 posted on 01/02/2005 7:21:06 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Isn't it nice that we are diverting so many of our own resources to care for the needs of illegals? < /sarcasm >
58 posted on 01/02/2005 8:43:27 AM PST by sweetliberty (Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we should.)
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.


59 posted on 01/02/2005 8:45:28 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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Mexican kids would be much better off eating burgers at McDonald's, Wendy's and Jack in the Box than eating traditional Mexican food. Selected correctly, fast food can be healthy diet food.

Have you ever looked at the label on a package of plain burritos? They're almost nothing but fat with some carbs. Refried beans? Huge fat content. And poor quality fat at that. Grease, grease, grease and lack of protein and green veggies are a recipe for disaster.

I lived on the Mex-Tex border many years ago and it was always amazing to me how many overweight people I saw on frequent trips to Mexico. I do not in any way believe it's genetic. But it does seem more acceptable in the Mexican culture to get fat and stay fat.

I cook Mexican food occasionally and know it can be done on a high-protein low-carb and fat basis. But you have to ditch those tacos and burritos and eat only meat or fish dishes with delish Mexican seasoning.


67 posted on 01/02/2005 11:40:30 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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quote:

'... the first generation of American children to have shorter expected life spans than their parents.'


72 posted on 01/02/2005 12:34:57 PM PST by JockoManning
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Even the story was fat!


76 posted on 01/02/2005 1:37:13 PM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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