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The nation is quite drunken enough (The underclass in UK Cannot Control Their Alcohol Use)
Telegraph ^ | 4 January 2004 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 01/03/2005 6:13:22 PM PST by shrinkermd

That the British are now a nation of drunken brutes, justly despised throughout the world wherever they congregate in any numbers, is so obvious a fact that it should require no repetition. A brief visit to the centre of any British town or city on a Saturday night - or indeed, almost any night - will confirm it for those who are still in doubt. There they will see scenes of charmless vulgarity, in which thousands of scantily clad, lumpen sluts scream drunkenly, and men vomit proudly in the gutters.

The Government, whose solution to any social problem is to make it worse, now proposes that the British, having conclusively proved that they cannot (or rather, will not) control themselves, should be granted even more licence to make a public nuisance of themselves whenever they feel like it, which is often. They will henceforth be able to drink in pubs and bars at all times of the day and night, 24 hours a day, instead of just most of the day and night. If there were shares in debauchery, I'd buy them now.

Of course, the Government claims to believe that, by allowing drinking establishments to open 24 hours a day, it will reduce public drunkenness. If it really believes this, it is a terrible indictment of the British nation: that it can allow itself to be led by such a collection of hopeless fools. As to the suggestion that we might develop here the kind of civilised Mediterranean café culture if only drinking outlets were open long enough, you might as well preach the comforts of the igloo and the tastiness of whale blubber to the Masai of Kenya.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alcoholism; anthonydaniels; culturalentropy; dalrymple; nannystate; theodoredalrymple; uk; underclass
For an elite to succeed it must control the masses. In the UK Labor has found a way--alcoholism.
1 posted on 01/03/2005 6:13:22 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

pictures?


2 posted on 01/03/2005 6:14:30 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: shrinkermd

scenes of charmless vulgarity, in which thousands of scantily clad, lumpen sluts scream drunkenly, and men vomit proudly in the gutters.

And here I thought this was about College campuses.


3 posted on 01/03/2005 6:15:36 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: CJ Wolf

Of what? Drunken British sluts?! Puuuhhleeese!


4 posted on 01/03/2005 6:17:18 PM PST by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: CJ Wolf

5 posted on 01/03/2005 6:18:35 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: shrinkermd

You got to stay drunk to live in that place!


6 posted on 01/03/2005 6:18:46 PM PST by crz
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To: shrinkermd

I find it interesting that the "Subjects" are "Allowed"


7 posted on 01/03/2005 6:19:46 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: shrinkermd
As to the suggestion that we might develop here the kind of civilised Mediterranean café culture

if only drinking outlets were open long enough, you might as well preach

the comforts of the igloo and the tastiness of whale blubber to the Masai of Kenya.

LOL damn drunken limeys!

8 posted on 01/03/2005 6:20:32 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: shrinkermd

Mostly I think they get Drunk so they can eat.


9 posted on 01/03/2005 6:22:26 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: shrinkermd
The Government, whose solution to any social problem is to make it worse

Why can't our major newspapers write like that?
11 posted on 01/03/2005 6:27:43 PM PST by Vision (The New York Times...All the news to fit a one world government)
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To: Vision

because it's would be Politicaly incorrect.


12 posted on 01/03/2005 6:29:53 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: Vision
"Why can't our major newspapers write like that?

Short Answer: They go to journalism school while this author is a retired psychiatrist with no preconceptions that he need to be boring to be effective.

13 posted on 01/03/2005 6:30:23 PM PST by shrinkermd (The Apostle John was probably illiterate yet he was chosen by Christ to care for his mother.)
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To: shrinkermd
The legislation attempts to address a serious problem, that all pubs close at around the same time, and most clubs close at around the same time outside large cities, leading to a huge flow of people into the street.

Realistically, most licenced places will take advantage of the regulations to open later at weekends, or a few nights a week. Not many places will stay open 24 hours a day. This should lead to less of a rush to get drunk as fast as possible, and with any luck reduce the number of people on the street at any one point late at night.

14 posted on 01/03/2005 6:34:42 PM PST by Nathan-1729 (They can because they think they can.)
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To: shrinkermd

Plus, he's not afraid of speaking the truth, rather than being P.C.


15 posted on 01/03/2005 6:35:54 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: shrinkermd
Good article. Socialism at it's best: "Therefore, let them drink alco-pops. Then they will be dependent upon us." But is it too un-pc of me to still laugh at the Soccer Hooligans?
16 posted on 01/03/2005 6:40:44 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Vision

>>Why can't our major newspapers write like that?<<

They do, if it is a proposed Republican solution to a problem they like indulging in.

Remember Welfare Reform?


17 posted on 01/03/2005 6:52:38 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: TexasTransplant

Yeah, I'd have to be very drunk to eat kidney pie or jellied eels...


18 posted on 01/03/2005 6:53:10 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: shrinkermd

Frankly, I don't think it's a legitimate use of government to mandate when any private business opens or closes.


19 posted on 01/03/2005 6:55:39 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Welsh Rabbit

You are missing one of the world's great food treats by forgoing steak and kidney pie (or pudding). British food is generally bland, overcooked and very uninteresting, but they do a few things well and that is one of them.


20 posted on 01/03/2005 7:02:41 PM PST by expatpat
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To: shrinkermd

I beg to differ with the author's conclusion... I find it to be "just the right amount" of drunkenness.


21 posted on 01/03/2005 7:05:12 PM PST by Gerasimov (John Kerry just got his SECOND dishonorable discharge.)
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To: expatpat

The beer and the food is warm


22 posted on 01/03/2005 7:11:22 PM PST by spokeshave (Strategery + Schardenfreude = Stratenschardenfreudery)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

Eel isn't bad but and I have eaten kidney (once) I'm too old to get drunk enough to eat it twice.


23 posted on 01/03/2005 7:11:56 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: shrinkermd
Well, I see Dalrymple hasn't mellowed much in retirement.

This is the politics of clientelism: those who misbehave will vote for you because they have grown fond of the licentiousness that you have allowed them...

Wish I'd written that...

24 posted on 01/03/2005 7:17:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: spokeshave

The Brits claim that the only reason US beer is cold, is because it's like gnat's pi$$ and undrinkable if served at room temperature. I suspect they had a point in the days before the micro-breweries started brewing real beer!


25 posted on 01/03/2005 7:21:19 PM PST by expatpat
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To: shrinkermd

I was in England last year and they sure do drink. They can drink a LOT of beer and ale and they DO.

The food in England is much better and there are plenty of decent restaurants now. The tea is good.

But there are plenty of rowdy, really drunk, drunken louts.


26 posted on 01/03/2005 7:25:02 PM PST by garyhope
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To: shrinkermd

The dead end hopelessness of socialism has sunk in, why not stay drunk, at this point?


27 posted on 01/03/2005 7:45:28 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: TexasTransplant

Smoked eel, scrambled eggs on wholegrain toast and a bit of parsley for garnish - yum!


28 posted on 01/03/2005 7:48:19 PM PST by Peelod (Perversion is not festive)
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To: shrinkermd
I heartily disagree with your premise, cast your mind backwards to the Soviet Union, or Poland in the 70's. Alcohol was the only retreat of a people without the ability to control their own destiny.

Look at our British cousins......are these not the great-great-great grand children of the archers at Agincourt, the redcoats at Rorke's Drift, the inimitable Tommy at Dunkirk. Does not the victories of countless battles course through their veins,Ramilles, Trafalgar,Quebec,El Alemein,and Port Stanley.

The Duke of Wellington appraised them with the timely remark "I don't know what they do to the enemy but they scare the hell out of me."

Look at the damage Socialism has wrought on a once proud nation, men are no longer allowed to defend their own families or property for fear of facing the law.

Police officers are perpetually attending class after class
on gender relationships, intervention studies etc.etc.

Recently a group that monitors Police behavior across the Globe has rated the British Police as next to useless.

They vote for Parliament,yet they are ruled by unelected nameless judges and an unelected Commission in Brussels.

The national dish has become the Donner Kebab, fish and chips being too expensive.

Violence is rampant...the government solution is to turn to
prohibition, firstly banning firearms and now banning knives.

The educational system has elevated the mediocre to the genius of an angel.They have fudged and manipulated the examination statistics to a level that would leave King County election officials applauding in admiration.

Their church leaders believe that glands come before God.That homosexuality is no longer voluntary but now mandatory. That marriage is an ancient concept and that having children out of wedlock adds another heroine to the
nations lists.

However,all of Albions woes are self inflicted, instead of grabbing Europe by the throat and shaking every penny from their coffers,they deferred to the appeasers and the snake oil salesmen.

The result is that a nation which once proudly strode like a giant across the earth is reduced to the status of a drunk wallowing in the gutter.
29 posted on 01/03/2005 7:48:20 PM PST by ijcr (Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
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To: shrinkermd

Put the drink down...brush your teeth..


30 posted on 01/03/2005 7:56:07 PM PST by ditto h
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To: Nathan-1729

"When drunkenness declined in Britain during the second half of the 19th century, it did so not because the government legislated it, but because the people realised that habitual drunkenness was morally harmful and incompatible with self-respect."

I assume this law mandates the bars will be open late and 24 hours everywhere? /sarcasm

Carry Nations like this this WCTU wanna-be make voting for Tony Blair so much easier, I bet, for young Britons who are not sure about whether the Tories have anything to offer. I loathe Labour, but the Tories have done a fine job of mutating into anti-Labour without having any idea what that means any more, especially since Labour seems to have done such a fine job moving to the middle as far as public perception is concerned.

God help your country, Maggie, when the Tories are this marginalized. God help you, Nathan.


31 posted on 01/03/2005 8:25:25 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: Nathan-1729
As far as I've read, the whole point is to reduce the 2:00AM crush of drunks exiting the pubs by allowing them to leave later.

But they may have to be carried out...

32 posted on 01/03/2005 8:56:31 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: shrinkermd
"The Government, whose solution to any social problem is to make it worse, now proposes that the British, having conclusively proved that they cannot (or rather, will not) control themselves, should be granted even more licence to make a public nuisance of themselves whenever they feel like it, which is often.

This probably explains the drinking. You can only do that which the government grants you licence to do. Piss on that idea.

33 posted on 01/03/2005 9:11:29 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: tet68
"And here I thought this was about College campuses."

I thought it was about a Kennedy on any givin night. Ted in particular.

34 posted on 01/03/2005 9:34:49 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Nathan-1729

In the town where I went to undergrad here in the US, the beginning of Daylight Savings Time (i.e. BST) fell on a Saturday night. Suddenly, it was an hour later than it was supposed to be - and that new unexpected hour was also closing time. All twenty bars on the high street ejected their patrons at once; these persons had not been anticipating closing time and were quite irate at having the festivities suddenly terminated.

So began what is still remembered as the Daylight Savings Riot.


35 posted on 01/03/2005 11:35:36 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: expatpat

God made England so that the English could make pork pies. Mmmmm...


36 posted on 01/03/2005 11:37:51 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

God made alcohol so England couldn't rule the world.


37 posted on 01/03/2005 11:42:04 PM PST by Nachoman
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To: expatpat
British food is generally bland, overcooked and very uninteresting

At the risk of resurrecting an old chestnut [forgive that alarming image] this observation is grotesquely anachronistic, and ignores the revolution in British food of the last 15 years. As the quality of British food steadily rises, so that of French food steadily declines. The two trends will soon cross, and in some cases have already done so. (Not to say, of course, that you can't still find bad food here if you're determined to find it, as indeed you can in every country: and we're as much victims to the global blandification of the burger/fast food culture as anywhere else - but there's another side to the story which is very different, very creative, very exciting and very scrumptious).

38 posted on 01/04/2005 2:30:40 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Peelod

"Smoked eel, scrambled eggs on wholegrain toast and a bit of parsley for garnish - yum!"


That does sound pretty good, add sliced tomatoes for additional garnish.


39 posted on 01/04/2005 3:30:22 AM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Winniesboy

I still say that steak and kidney pie/pudding is delicious.


40 posted on 01/04/2005 6:22:16 AM PST by expatpat
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To: SedVictaCatoni

Yes, pork pies (any meat pies) in England are very tasty.


41 posted on 01/04/2005 6:25:08 AM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat

I'll take your word for it. Have to confess I've never eaten either. Not something you often see these days.


42 posted on 01/04/2005 8:53:13 AM PST by Winniesboy
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