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Protein Is Factor in Heart Disease, Researchers Say
NY Times ^ | January 6, 2005 | GINA KOLATA

Posted on 01/05/2005 4:19:08 PM PST by neverdem

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To: St. Johann Tetzel

YES....I am on doxycycline ....I refused to go the HEAVY DRUG route....after doing research of my own, and finding a like minded doctor. (Too bad it takes soooo long to make you feel better, though!)


21 posted on 01/05/2005 7:28:56 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: goodnesswins

I was recently diagnosed with RA also, but because I have been taking aspirin 3x day for ordinary arthritis, I still had a low CRP. I now take it 4x per day, on schedule and with food.

Statins aren't the only way to lower CRP. ;-D


22 posted on 01/05/2005 7:30:33 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: neverdem

btt


23 posted on 01/05/2005 7:32:01 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Judith Anne

How's your stomach doing? And, how's your RA? (My condolences for the diagnosis....I KNOW what IT'S like!)


24 posted on 01/05/2005 7:33:02 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: goodnesswins

It apparently works better when combined with Roxithromycin. Ask your doc if he's willing to try combined therapy.


25 posted on 01/05/2005 7:49:44 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer -or- Not every question deserves an answer.)
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To: Judith Anne

The aspirin will reduce the inflammation but not kill the microbacteria that is probably causing the inflammation. Ask your doc about adding an antibiotic like doxycycline.


26 posted on 01/05/2005 7:51:27 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer -or- Not every question deserves an answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Are YOU a doctor?....I've done LOTS of research...never heard of Roxithromycin.....going to check now. THANKS.


27 posted on 01/05/2005 7:53:41 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

RA is an auto immune disease caused by a prior strep infection long gone.


28 posted on 01/05/2005 7:53:52 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets

RA could be MANY things.....what makes you so CERTAIN it's from "strep?"


29 posted on 01/05/2005 8:04:06 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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"RA could be MANY things.....what makes you so CERTAIN it's from "strep?""

Arthritis is caused by many things. Rhumatoid arthritis is a specific arthritis caused by strep infection. It is a unique arthritis with it's own characteristics. Other organisms, such as B. burgdorferi, (lyme disease) can cause similar autoimmume diease.

30 posted on 01/05/2005 8:12:03 PM PST by spunkets
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Hmmmm....so YOU are a doctor? If it's caused by strep (which I had when I was in my 20's).....and it comes back to haunt you by the immune system.....then WHY don't doctors SAY that? NO doctor I've read of, talked to, or heard of has EVER said "strep" was the cause of RA....in fact, I'll go to the roadback.org....and see what everyone THERE says.


31 posted on 01/05/2005 8:15:25 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: goodnesswins

I went and reviewd "The New Arthritis Breakthrough" Book I have....and Yes, strep CAN be an RA instigator, but I doubt that it ALWAYS is....if it is, amoxicillin should cure me, right?


32 posted on 01/05/2005 8:24:33 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: spunkets

Post 32 was for you.


33 posted on 01/05/2005 8:25:15 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: goodnesswins
The The arhtritis foundation says RA's cause is unknown. Historically RA got it's name from rheumatic fever. Most of the survivors end up with RA. Under causes at the AF site, mention is made at the end about infection, but the RA only appears afterward. The genetic section has some info, that may predispose some folks to rhumatic fever, or signiifcant strep infection and thus the link. Rheumatic fever is very contageous though and amongst the infected, RA is very high. Modern antibiotics have almost eliminated rheumatic fever. It only remains in folks that fail to treat step infections and allow them to complicate.

I'm not sure how similar the arthritis of RA and that from B.burg. are.

34 posted on 01/05/2005 8:40:52 PM PST by spunkets
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To: neverdem

Very interesting. I guess one can ask their doctor for a blood test that would indicate the levels discussed.


35 posted on 01/05/2005 8:48:31 PM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: goodnesswins
"amoxicillin should cure me, right?"

No. The infection is almost always gone, or at least almost total remission by the time RA developes. RA devlopes at a later time, sometimes decades after the infection. RA is actually an autoimmune disease where the body's own immune system is doing the attack and damage. It's usually controlled by reducing the immune response with corticosteroids and anti-inflamatories.

36 posted on 01/05/2005 8:54:22 PM PST by spunkets
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Where do you get YOUR information? I will not use corticosteroids.....I WILL get to the bottom of the problem....likely mycoplasma within cells (strep gone hiding?)....


37 posted on 01/05/2005 8:58:14 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: neverdem; All
Purchase yourselves protease -- enzymes which not only reduce inflammation, but help digest proteins...

Infla-Zyme is one of more popular enzymes used here as well as in Europe.

38 posted on 01/05/2005 9:05:32 PM PST by F16Fighter
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"Hmmmm....so YOU are a doctor?

No.

"If it's caused by strep (which I had when I was in my 20's).....and it comes back to haunt you by the immune system.....then WHY don't doctors SAY that?"

They do. Their lit. is where I got my info. From immunology and infectious disease lit., not athritis lit. My childhood doc also thought so.

"likely mycoplasma within cells (strep gone hiding?)."

There's no mycoplasma there. It's an immune attack on the synovia and smooth muscle at least. The joints and smooth muscle are usually aseptic-no bugs whatsoever. It's similar to MS, where intermittent immune attack occurs on the myelin sheaths of nerve cells.

"I will not use corticosteroids"

They are of little help in the long run. They are a short term fix that opens one up to infection, because of reduced immune response. Aspirin and nutrients, like geletin and glucosamine and chondroitin are effective in the long run. I know little of any other meds.

39 posted on 01/05/2005 9:27:00 PM PST by spunkets
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"Put everybody with high CRP on doxycycline or similar benign anti-biotics. Some docs advocate this for BOTH rheumatoid arthritis as well as heart disease, believing that certain microbacteria cause the inflammation in joints as well as arteries: "

Could Lyme Disease cause this inflamation?

40 posted on 01/05/2005 9:53:02 PM PST by blam
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