Thanking Allah for Christians and Jews

Washington Times ^ | 1/07/05 | Wesley Pruden

[kattracks]

A devout Muslim in Indonesia or Sri Lanka, listening to the growl in his empty belly and watching the sky darkening with American rescue helicopters, might offer a prayer of gratitude to Allah for Christians and Jews.
    The rich and oily Middle Eastern kingdoms, fiefdoms and oligarchies have donated only pittances for tsunami relief, like alms tossed to beggars at the village gate. The greedy rulers are no doubt grateful to the imams who are telling their mosques that most of those who drowned, Muslims as well as vacationing infidels, deserved to die because they were only on the beaches to "fornicate." Islam is not about grace, amazing or otherwise. Saudi Arabia first said it would donate $10 million, about what King Fahd might spend when he takes his wives and concubines to Paris or New York for a week of shopping and imbibing the forbidden pleasures of the satanic West. He raised it to $30 million when certain chagrined Muslims made grumbling noises about what can only be called Arab piggery.

[snip]

    But Christians and Jews at the White House are whistlin' Dixie (ever so discreetly, of course) if they think the vast outpouring of American tsunami aid will win any hearts or change many minds.
    The sight of Marines dropping food and clothing from the air, or of Navy corpsmen consoling children with shots and pills, can make Americans feel good about themselves for doing what good Christians and observant Jews know they ought to do. Gratitude in the wake of a tidal wave, on the other hand, is as scarce as a dry shirt and pants.

[snip]

Gratitude is not necessary. God will bless us, every one. That's enough for any Christian or Jew.

[hinckley buzzard]

"Gratitude is not necessary. God will bless us, every one. That's enough for any Christian or Jew."

There's an Arab proverb:
"If you see a blind beggar by the side of the road, kick him. Why should you treat him better than Allah did?"

These degenerates have nothing in common with Christians and Jews, because they worship a different god. Gratitude to their fellow man is no more a moslem value than honesty or integrity is.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Good points, but I don't expect any lasting gratitude or love
for the US from these people for US efforts on their behalf.

[Lurker]

Normally I agree with Mr. Pruden, but I think he's wrong here.

Those poor ba****** on the receiving end of American aid supplied by the US Military are going to remember who gave them what for a long, long time.

If anyone in this Administration has any talent for long term thinking, there are already a few CIA types hanging out with the locals making sure that kids get food, medicine, and warm clothes.

A few Green Beret teams wouldn't be a bad idea either, especially if they have local language skills.

We don't have to reach all of these people, we only have to reach enough of them who realize that what they've been hearing in their mosques is mostly bull****.

Their Imams are screaming 'death to America' while the US Navy is flying in food, water, and medical supplies. I'll lay you dollars to donuts that pretty soon some Islamofascist whackjob Imam is going to 'forbid' anyone from taking American aid.

That will hopefully be the straw that breaks the water buffalos back.

Wow, I must be feeling optomistic tonite. Oh well, I'm sure I'll be back to normal in the morning.

L

[ppaul]

It was the will of Allah that the infidels perish.
Why send them money?

[longtermmemmory]

I would imagine the Moslems will only than Christians and Jews with the notion that the USA OWES them relief because the USA is the USA.

We should harbor no illusions, after this is over the initial stages, they will hate us and even resent us more. They will resent us for being the ones who helped them.


BTW has anyone else noticed how Rumsfeld's military makover is responsible for the ability of our forces to be able to respond to this situation? If this was Carter or Clinton in charge the military would have been impotent.

[southernred]

You need to remember that islam in that part of the world is not so dogmatic or ingrained. Don;t question the presidents wisdom on this, he is undercutting the militants in a big way.

[US_Muslim]

You are right. The President took prudent and farsighted actions in this event. The Osamites will nonetheless shriek at the top of their lungs against us but we will show them what we are made of. These are nothing but low lifers and worse then worms for bastardizing Islam. They attacked us.... killed our innocents.... we shall not show mercy to them and their likes.

I am glad of the steps our President is taking in this situation and think it will make a difference. I just hope that our government uses our charitable drive in more ways then one. We have shown our anger up to now... they are now seeing a different side of the ones (all the western countries) they want to see perish.

[Siamese Princess]

There's an Arab proverb: "If you see a blind beggar by the side of the road, kick him. Why should you treat him better than Allah did?"

That's evil. The proverb says something about the innately bullying and tyrannical nature of Arabs. And Pres. Bush wants to introduce democracy to the middle east? Ha ha ha.

These degenerates have nothing in common with Christians and Jews, because they worship a different god. Gratitude to their fellow man is no more a moslem value than honesty or integrity is.

IMO, few will be grateful. In fact, the infidels "owe" Allah's favorites.

To be fair, it is human nature for the recipients of charity to often resent their benefactors because their self-respect may be shattered and they feel that they can never repay. So they resent their benefactors.

[John O]

The Osamites will nonetheless shriek at the top of their lungs against us but we will show them what we are made of. These are nothing but low lifers and worse then worms for bastardizing Islam

They operated 100% in compliance with the koran. The taliban and al-queda are the truest form of islam. They are the only ones following the koran. It's sad, but it's true. You can either be a moderate or you can be a moslem terrorist. There is no such thing as a moderate moslem

[teeman8r]

what if the moslems are right and allah is the true god and all our 'do unto others' and 'turn the other cheek' and 'love thy neighbor' ... oh yeah, allah sucks...

the more things digress, the more God's words ring True.

when will america wake up to the deception of islam

teeman

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

[Convert from ECUSA]

"But Christians and Jews at the White House are whistlin' Dixie (ever so discreetly, of course) if they think the vast outpouring of American tsunami aid will win any hearts or change many minds. ... Gratitude is not necessary. God will bless us, every one. That's enough for any Christian or Jew."

Amen! The Christians and Jews that came forth with aid to help the tsunami victims may never be thanked on this earth, but the One who sees everything will remember and He will give the reward to those who helped.

[Valin]

I must be feeling optomistic tonite

Nothing wrong with that.

[onedoug]

"These degenerates have nothing in common with Christians and Jews, because they worship a different god. Gratitude to their fellow man is no more a moslem value than honesty or integrity is."

Very well put.

[RaceBannon]

This is an account from a Freeperette in Indonesia::

Hi you all!

Thank you so much for your concern and prayers.... As you can see, I'm alive and doing pretty well, although it hasn't all been easy.

I arrived in Malaysia on December 19th, and we were in Kuala Lumpur for the first couple days, for orientation. The first thing you notice when coming here is the extreme heat and humidity... I'm used to hot weather (mostly having lived in hot places), but the humidity I wasn't used to... even after being in Hawaii for 3 months!

Then we took a bus to Penang, and we found out that our itinerary had changed. Originally we were supposed to go to Medan Indonesia, a couple days after getting to Penang. (to be for Christmas and for 2 weeks) But they thought that it would be better if we had time to adjust and get settled in, so the trip to Indonesia was postponed til January 8. My family and close friends were worried because they didn't know that my plans had been changed, and they didn't know if I even survived. Believe it or not, my mom knew about the earthquake before I did... because I didn't even feel it here in Malaysia (some of our teammates did), and she must've been watching the news, and called the office here, right after it happened.

It probably was a Godsend that our plans had changed, and as it turned out, there was a lot of need here in Penang... pretty much all the little houses and shacks on the coast were either destroyed or flooded from the tsunami, and tons of people needed help. So we did a lot of work down on the coast, in this area, picking up people's belongings (which mostly became trash, and were caked in mud), shoveling debris and wet sand from the street drains, and picking up all sorts of trash and people's belongings that were strewn all over the beaches. The place was a disaster area, and lots of people lost everything they owned. It was hard and dirty work, but we wanted to show God's love to those affected by the tsunami, and it was worth it.

There was one Malaysian man, whose house was destroyed, and we found out that he had divorced his first wife because she became a Christian. Then his kids and second wife began going to church, and he was totally against Christianity. But he saw that pretty much the only people who volunteered to pick up the wreckage at the beach were Christians, local churches, and I was told something by a local pastor that was awesome to hear... The pastor told me that the man saw me shoveling mud, and he was touched, by seeing us helping, and his mind was changed about Christianity. So I heard that this man is coming to Christ, praise God! (this is someone who was opposed to Christianity, so it's amazing news) Btw, I remember when I was shoveling a Malaysian man who lived in one of the homes that was destroyed asked me where I was from, and I told him I was from California and I was there with a Christian organization. So maybe that was the man the pastor was talking about..

There's a lot more to tell, but I'm going to post some pictures now of the flood... these were taken by someone on our team, a Norwegian kid with his video camera... a few on our team were there the day that one of the big waves hit, so the shots you'll see are from that day, and you can see some of the wreckage.
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So, it is clear, and not just from news, that Christians acting like Christians will show the love of God in Christ.

[RaceBannon]

excuse me??

http://www.persecution.org/Countries/indonesia.html
Extremist Groups:

Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) - A militant Islamist group active in several Southeast Asian countries that is seeking to establish a Muslim fundamentalist state in the region. Jemaah Islamiyah ("Islamic Group" in Indonesian) is alleged to have attacked or plotted against U.S. and Western targets in Indonesia, Singapore, and the Philippines. The group is believed to have ties to Al-Qaeda and has been linked to a series of church bombings that took place on Christmas Eve 2000 as well as the bombing of a Bali nightclub in October 2002.

Laskar Jihad (Holy War Army) -- a self-styled army of Islamic "warriors" who are waging a "holy war" against Christians. The army is mostly composed of veterans from Bosnia and Afghanistan along with students from local Muslim schools. The group officially disbanded in October 2002, but there is fear that it may have only gone underground.

Muslim Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jama’ah Forum – a paramilitary group which claims its role is to help fellow Muslims, not attack Christians. The group has, in fact, been involved in violent acts but claims they were in self-defense.

Indonesian Committee for Worldwide Islamic Solidarity (KISDI)
Recent Actions:


July 12, 2003 - Petrian Malenge, a Christian police sergeant, was shot while riding his motorcycle in Lembomawo village, Central Sulawesi. A neighbor riding with him escaped major injury when she fell from the bike. Malenge is in critical condition at Poso Public hospital. He was known as a supporter of the Christian community in Central Sulawesi and had helped Rev. Rinaldy Damanik evacuate IDPs during the summer of 2002.

July 11, 2003 - Nine members of the Jemaah Islamiyah were arrested in Central Java. Over 20,000 rounds of ammunition, 11 rocket launchers and 2 M-16s were among the weapons confiscated during the capture of the terrorists. One of the men, Pranata Yuda, admitted the group's past involvement in the Central Sulawesi conflict.

July 10, 2003 - At 10:30pm a Christian-owned and operated restaurant in Kawua village was bombed. The owners, Mr. Josep Tosabu and Mrs. Tini Alimin, as well as their young son, were injured. Two other people, a Muslim man named Trisno and Mr. Melky, a Christian, both lost their right foot and sustained other serious injuries in the attack. All five victims have been hospitalized at Poso Public hospital.

July 10, 2003 - Julis Ledo Pamini, a Torajan Christian man was shot to death on his plantation located between Sa'atu and Pinedapa villages in Central Sulawesi.

June 16, 2003 - A court in Palu sentenced Rev. Damanik to three years imprisonment despite police procedural errors and other inconsistencies in his case. Damanik plans to appeal to the Central Sulawesi High Court. Further information on the case and ways to help Damanik can be found at the following link: http://www.persecution.org/Damanik.htm.

June 2, 2003 - At 3am, two Christian men and five Christian houses were shot at by a group of armed men. Mr. Yosep Burungudju was killed and Darman Posumah was seriously injured. The attack occurred in Kapompa village, a primarily Christian village which had been abandoned by the Christians during the heat of the ongoing conflict in Central Sulawesi. Several men, including Mr. Burungudju and Mr. Posumah, had just recently returned to the area to prepare homes for their families.

May 22, 2003 - Rev. Rinaldy Damanik's imprisonment was extended until June 23, when the final verdict in his trial is expected to be handed down. It appears abundantly clear to everyone involved in the case that the charges against Damanik are totally trumped up. However, it is believed that a complete acquittal will be impossible. (Jubilee Campaign)

May 2003 - Churches in Bekasi, west Java have reported being threatened and intimidated by Muslim radicals. Christians in Bekasi are being persecuted because of recent legislation that requires Christian groups to have at least 40 "heads of families" before applying to build a church. Groups formerly meeting in homes or rented public places have been forced to stop. (Barnabas Fund/ANS)

April 14, 2003 - Rev. Rinaldy Damanik has been released from the hospital and was able to attend the most recent hearing of his trial. The key witness in the case gave testimony at this hearing. However, his testimony was not under oath because of certain legal regulations. His testimony also disagreed in significant ways from other witnesses. The prosecution has yet to produce one credible witness in the case against Damanik.

April 14, 2003 - Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, head of the militant Jemaah Islamiyah, was formally charged with treason. He is also accused of masterminding the bombing of over a dozen churches on Christmas Eve 2000. Nineteen Christians were killed in the bombings. (Barnabas Fund/ANS)

April 4, 2003 - TNI (Indonesian military) forces were sent to Wamena to investigate a raid on a military post in which three people were killed. Though members of the TNI themselves were believed to be responsible for the incident, troops raided and destroyed homes and churches around Wamena, reportedly burning Bibles in contempt of the Christian faith. Two Baptist pastors, Mr. Kutis Tabuli and his brother, Mr. Engellek Tabuli, were murdered as well as at least 13 others. Villagers reported being tortured

March 17, 2003 - The prosecution began the witness selection process in the case of Rev. Rinaldy Damanik while Damanik remains hospitalized. One of the witnesses offered testimony that contradicted his earlier reports to police. When questioned about the apparent contradictions he replied that he couldn't remember, leading the judge to inquire whether he had actually forgotten what took place or simply couldn't remember his script. The judge's comment offers some hope for true justice to be carried out in Damanik's case. (Jubilee Campaign)

February 2003 - Human rights workers in Papua (Irian Jaya) reported that Laskar Jihad warriors continue operations in Papua where they are being trained by the Indonesian military. Recent legislation signed by President Megawati Sukarnoputri could endanger the predominantly Christian population of Papua by dividing the area into three regions, two of which could be dominated by Muslims migrating from other parts of the country. It is believed that the military wants to stir up trouble in Papua in order to maintain their political role, which is scheduled to end in 2004. (WEA)

February 24, 2003 - Rev. Rinaldy Damanik was forced to attend a hearing of his case despite feeling extremely ill. His lawyers walked out of the courtroom in protest when the judge refused to listen to their objections. Damanik was then taken to the Salvation Army hospital in Palu. He was later moved to the UNDATA hospital for treatment of hepatitis B and other liver ailments. The case will not continue until Damanik is healthy enough to attend hearings.

February 18, 2003 - Rev. Rinaldy Damanik refused to attend a hearing of his case on the grounds that the charges against him had been changed. The new charges were announced in a letter from the Minister of Law and Human Rights. Damanik is suing the Minister and has registered a complaint with the High Court on State Affairs in Jakarta.

February 2003 - Reports indicate that Laskar Jihad are still present in Ambon despite being ordered to leave. In addition, at least 100 Laskar Mujahidin have arrived from Surabay and Makassar in recent weeks (Maluku Watch Network).

February 10, 2003 - Rev. Rinaldy Damanik was expected to be tried in Palu after the hearing was postponed from February 3. However, after the charges against Damanik were changed from carrying weapons to being a provocateur of violence, his lawyers advised him not to appear in court. Damanik's lawyers continue to push for a change of venue, from Palu to Jakarta.

January 30, 2003 - Jafar Umar Thalib, head of the militant Laskar Jihad group, was acquitted of charges of instigating violence against Christians by the District Court of East Jakarta. The public prosecutor had only sought a sentence of one year imprisonment and it is not certain whether he will appeal. The charges against Thalib stem from a provocative speech made outside of the Al-Fatah mosque on April 26 in which he called on Muslims to take up arms against Christians. Two days later armed attackers brutally murdered a dozen Christians in the village of Soya. (CCDA)






Christians in Indonesia Flee Their Homes as Attacks Spread
Police Reinforcements Fail to Curtail Panic in Sulawesi

Special to Compass Direct

LONDON, October 21 (Compass) - Villagers in Central Sulawesi, Indonesia, are
once again fleeing for their lives. They are reacting to recent attacks on four
villages in the Poso district by bands of masked raiders armed with automatic
weapons. Even the deployment of extra armed forces to secure the area has had
little effect upon the worried inhabitants.

"People are too scared to remain in their isolated villages," said Mona
Saroinsong, coordinator of the Crisis Center of the Protestant Church in North
Sulawesi. "They have been walking through the jungle to the coast or making for
Tentena, the nearest Christian town. When I questioned them, they said they did
not trust the authorities to protect them."

Following the October 11 attack on the village of Old Beteleme, (see Compass
Direct news flash, October 14) a further assault was launched in the early
hours of Sunday morning, October 12, on three villages closer to the town of
Poso.

http://www.domini.org/openbook/ind20031021.htm

• Fellowship of Indonesian Christians in America
  
• International Christian Concern
  
• International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church
  
• International Persecution of Christians
  
• The Voice of the Martyrs
  

[Alamo-Girl]

PRAISE GOD!!! Thank you so much for sharing!

[RaceBannon]

It is breathtaking when you can see someone being saved from possible destruction, and also be used where they are.

To see a Muslim see the bankruptcy of his religion because of the faithfulness of a single believer and the believers that person fellowships with...in direct contrast to those of his own religion.

[Beckwith]

Those poor ba****** on the receiving end of American aid supplied by the US Military are going to remember who gave them what for a long, long time.

At least until next Tuesday . . .