Posted on 01/08/2005 6:00:15 AM PST by Seattle Conservative
We didn't either until we had a problem with just 19 of the S.O.B.'s on September 11. 2001.
I have been kind of watching this from the sidelines being a conservative originally from IL and now thankfully living in a true red state of NE. Since I am from IL I fully grasp what election fraud is all about and I have witnessed the machine politics of Chicago and seen nothing come of it.
My question is, is anything really going to happen here, in your opinion, or do you personally think this will eventually just be swept under the rug like in IL?
(Anyone who wishes to help me better understand this situation, please do.)
I am very familliar with Holland. It is much smaller than the US, and it will probably not get bigger population as the US surely will. Our decentralization will prove more and more necessary. If you do not have politicians who seek to gain advantage in elections by rigging the system, then you are lucky. I would only point out that the problems we are finding are just now coming to the attention of the public, because the elections are so close. Prior to 2000 Americans would have said we had a smooth system, too.
"Why do you US people not have a central registration of voters?"
Because we trust the Federal Government even less than we trust state or local govt. In the United States there are only 2 offices that are voted on nationwide and the rest are state and local.
That's one of the big (huge) differences between American and Europeans. The United States was origionaly more like the EU than a single country, with each state a sovereign enity.
However I am sure one of our "esteemed" lawmakers in Washington will try to do as you suggest sometime in the future.
That is because
A) The United States is much much bigger than Holland and
B) the United States of America are not as beholden to the central government as they are in any of the pseudo socialist countries in the EU....
I realize English is not your first language, and that you are trying to express your natural preference to and loyalty for your own country...but what you SAY with the above quote is that the Dutch are better than the US while trying to emulate the US along with the rest of the EU. Logically, this would be a step down in EUropean cultural evolution.
While the EU was meant to emulate the US, it is not an earlier form of our Constitutional Republic. Our Constitution, even with all the amendments added, would be too small to make an adequate book mark in the monstrosity the EU is pleased to call a constitution.
"My question is, is anything really going to happen here, in your opinion, or do you personally think this will eventually just be swept under the rug like in IL?"
I don't know the answer to your question, we'll have to wait and see the outcome. That said, I'm cautiously optimistic for the following reasons:
1. It's finally getting some national attention.
2. There are 2 conservative radio stations in the Seattle area (think they play in many state locales as well). I know that one of them (KVI 570) has 2 talk show hosts that have been in politics for 20+ years - Kirby Wilbur (5 a.m.-9 a.m.) and John Carlson (3 p.m.-6 p.m.)(he ran for Gov in the 2000 election), who have a large audience and have been on this like ugly on a stick. Callers have been calling in with a) military family members not receiving their absentee ballots, when requesting one more than once and/or receiving one, but it was not counted; b) poll watchers who witnessed irregularties; c) assorted other problems and issues. Both have been encouraging listeners to contact the Rossi campaign and/or WA Republican party to report irregularities and also encouraging everyone to sign the revote petition. They also helped organize and spread the word about the last demonstration in Olympia (Kirby was there) and are really going all out for the one next Tuesday (I think both of them plan on being there). They are also in contact with John Fund (an authority on election fraud) and have had him on their shows.
3. So far, 2 citizens have filed election complaints (pro-Dino).
4. The Building Industry Assoc of WA has about 40 support staff just doing research and are planning on filing an election complaint.
5. As I understand it, the Repubs have an very well-qualified and well-organized group (read lawyers), including some that were in Fla in 2000.
6. We have a new Republican judge that will be on the state suprememe court - Jim Johnson.
7. Even some of the Dems in the state are upset with Gregoire and some have said they want to take their vote back. About 59% in a poll said they didn't think G was the rightfully elected Gov.
8. The call for revote is picking up momentum.
I'm sure there are a lot of other things going on behind the scenes of which I'm not aware.
All of the above said, we still have a State Government run primarily by Dems and many liberal judges.
So, while I don't think it will be swept under the rug initially, I'm not sure what will happen and/or what the outcome will be. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed and praying. While I would love to see Dino be our Gov, I also know that God works in mysterious ways, so, if he doesn't get in, I suspect that the election process will be cleaned up and that Maria Cant-do-well will have a very difficult time winning her Senate seat in 06 if Dino runs against her (maybe God's plan is for Dino to be in the Senate)??
<sorry for the long-winded answer - I feel passionate about this and kinda got on a 'roll' ;-)
You're still living right now in a relatively homogenous country, with 83% of citizens considered Dutch.
PS: welcome to FR. I just hope "Dutch" is not a euphemism for "DU".
ping
"Rossi and GOP to contest the election. Lawsuit filed today.
Today Dino Rossi announced that we will challenge the election in court. Attached is a copy of the details regarding our legal challenge to brief you on the current situation. We have filed our election contest petition with the Chelan County Superior Court. Under the law, the initial hearing will be 10-20 days from now, followed by a trial. Ultimately we expect this case to be decided by the State Supreme Court.
Also today, King County completed their reconciliation process and admits that 348 provisional ballots were illegally cast at polling places. There are an additional 1,217 votes for which they cannot find a voter. Similarly, Pierce County now reports that 77 provisional ballots were illegally cast and reports a total of 135 more ballots than voters.
We will continue to keep you informed of any changes or developments. "
For the good of the country, the Democrats should be disbanded. It is very clear that if Andrew Jackson were to rise from the grave, he would not recognise his own party, and horsewhip the remnants.
Regards, Ivan
"It is very clear that if Andrew Jackson were to rise from the grave, he would not recognise his own party, and horsewhip the remnants."
To bring it to more current times - I don't think John Kennedy would recognize his own party - -
I can definitely see JFK Mk. 1 beating the hell out of his brother, let alone Patches Kennedy, who has provided nothing but bile and vitriol for the state of Rhode Island.
Regards, Ivan
We are a Republic -as in Republicans. As per the Constitution, the State legislatures determine how the President is elected. IT is not a federal issue and the democrats who do not understand this do not understand the country they are citizens of...
Thanks for the ping. I just heard an awesome commercial on the radio. It went into just enough detail about this fraudulent election and then asked listeners to go to www.revotewa.com and sign the petition. The spot was paid for by the Washington State Builders Association. Love it!
The dem, Christine Gregoire, said that the WA election turned out not to be FL in 2000. Well she's right, unlike Gore she got away with stealing the election!
"many minorities did not vote because Republicans called them up and told them that the date had changed, and they were supposed to vote the next day."
1. No, but democRATS posing as Rebuplicans probably did.
2. If you're stupid enough to believe it if someone calls and says this, you're TOO STUPID TO BE ALLOWED TO VOTE ANYWAY.
Most Western European countries DO have a more sensible approach to voting than the US. The general procedure is that every voting citizen is sent a notification by mail indicating the right to vote. On election day, a voter has to present a picture id in order to vote. The voter's identity is compared with a national population registry printout to check if the person is question has voted already. After this, the voter is given a paper ballot to fill in using a regular pencil.
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