Posted on 01/11/2005 10:00:38 AM PST by kattracks
(CNSNews.com) - California could cut taxes, fully fund education and balance its budget by seceding from the United States, a newly organized group says.
The Committee to Explore California Secession, also known as Move On California, says it hopes to bring people together to consider the merits of an autonomous and independent California.
Those benefits would be both financial and political: "For every dollar Californians give to the federal government we see only 78-cents come back," the group's website says. It also expresses concern about "the diminishing voice of Californians in national politics" and "national trends that are tipping the balance in the direction of the religious conservative agenda."
[Contrary to what Move On California claims, California Republicans now chair six U.S. House committees, giving California more congressional clout than any other state, Fox News reported.]
Jeff Morrissette, the founder of Move On California, says the secession buzz began shortly after the November 2004 re-election of President Bush. But, he says, politicians from both parties object to subsidizing other states at a time "when those California tax dollars could be better spent at home to shore up our own fiscal problems."
According to Morrissette, if Californians could control the $40 billion that goes to pork barrel spending projects in other states every year, they could give state taxpayers a $20-billion tax cut and still have enough money to fully fund California spending priorities, specifically education, and balance the budget at the same time.
Morrissette says momentum is building for the California secession movement. "While secession may be a long-shot," he says, "it will succeed in bringing awareness to many of the grievances California has politically, socially and fiscally."
"Californians are getting pushed around and it's time we pushed back," he said.
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Yeah right. Leave the USA and become MEXIFORNIA!
HAHA! I only hope that we can build a BIG BIG security fence around that zoo.
ROFLMAO!! Those wacky left coasters are hilarious.
California could only balance its budget by seceding only if relied on US military protection without paying for it.
And then Ahhhnold can be president!
Just cut off the infection from the BLUE counties on the coastline and we will keep the good RED ones...there are lots of good RED counties in California
If California wants to go, the US needs to make one stipulation; they have to take Oregon and Washington, as well.
I'd like to see what kind of Army and Navy they're going to have -- or are they planning on nationalizing the current resources located in their territory?
TS
We get to pillage Kalifornia just like the North pillaged the South in the last secession attempt!
Why give up any territory. Lets make the few blue zones down to the absolute minimum sized liberal/leftist reservations. We can give them security cards and out law self defense "for their own protection" and let them live their non-reproductive lives till they die out.
A little further research is needed but it could very well be that 50 states seceding from Washington, D. C. would save them all considerable money.
Wouldn't even be missed.
Well, it gets most of Hollyweird out of the US, without having to go to Canada..
Just put 'em all on the other side of the fault, drill some injection wells and start pumping...Let 'em have their own island...
Maybe we can pull a reversal of the Castro-Karter trick and dump the leftist vermin ON CASTRO...and toss the scum that he sent here in 79 with them!
If you didn't already know it, these people are out to destroy your country. They are councilling, promoting and facilitating secession from the Union. This is treason, and should be dealt with accordingly. Freedom to express one's opinion (no matter how odious) is one of the foundations of your great nation; however, the line has been more than crossed now. I might be a bit past it, but I'll sign up to fight 'em, if it comes to that. No charge (though I wouldn't be upset to get a permanent resident card out of it:-).
Soros is attacking your country from within and without. He's using his facsist $ to undermine the greatest nation on earth. Something should be done.
Don’t let the whining blue-spot lib-losers get you down. The red areas,
the vast majority of California, like the red areas coast to coast, will
continue to be the cash cow for political pork. California is forced to
be a little more generous that most, thought.
Can you see California with a miltary? They could have two very unique divisions for the miltary. One would be the pink squad.. and the one would be the infamous green card division.
I'm shaking all ready.
LOL!
Give them the Channel Islands but no boats.
Drop em off
and forget em!
Ya...we would just let them go. It's what we've always done in the past when states have attempted it.
And I'll move to Texas.
The secession of California should be the goal of every true patriot. If they leave the Union, we should put up a big wall and not let any of them out (after first giving all real Americans trapped there a decent opportunity to join us). Most bad ideas start in California and eventually pollute the rest of the country.
Great, Less Electoral Votes for the DIMs! FR may have to relocate though....
"Just cut off the infection from the BLUE counties on the coastline and we will keep the good RED ones...there are lots of good RED counties in California"
Remember, there are a lot of us good "red" people living in the bluest of the blue areas of this insane state.
Only if Arnold gets to be President lol, with the kind of Liberals you get in California we would go broke in no time.
Perhaps, but they would have substabtial difficulty finding enough water and electricity to go around.
uh...yeah, right. That'll happen.
Ditto that... the red counties/cities are growing. They should carve the state around all the blue counties and cities and give them a little push into the pacific so it can attach to Mexico.
But it is illegal to secede from the Federal Union. The Federal government will go to war to prevent it. See what happened between 1861 and 1865.
There are MANY who'd like to see California secede (both within and from outside it), for a large variety of reasons.
I must say none of my reasons are in concert with this group's.
Even though this is blue group craziness, I think the consensus on the secession concept is, no you can't seceed once you join the union, and (maybe unfortunately), once you are a state in the union, we can't kick you out, either...
We might be willing to go with that. Beautiful country!
Seems the Framers knew what they were doing when they left out any Constitutional mechanism for secession. Of course, that could be solved by amendment.
And they think this is something the rest of us would regret? I was rather stunned yesterday evening to see a TV report that virtually EVERY major committee in the new congress is chaired by a California Republican. That's a lot of power for a group that can't win their state for a Republican president in the last four elections. Somehow it doesn't seem fair.
Comedian.
Aside from the CA National Guard (40th ID - Golden Bears), there is the CA State Military Reserve.
Plus the legions of California servicemembers, Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force and Coast Guard bases already here.
Perhaps this time we will be smarter and just let them go away.
hahahah.... Wait till they figure out that all that Asian Import stuff going through Cali, will reroute to SEATAC once exports from Cali to the rest of America become subject to Tarriffs....
Thats what gets me about the BS the MSM is pushing on us with this BS-RS crap. They are dividing this country and the blue states are actually colored red on the county maps, while even in red states almost half of the people are humanists who would vote for Lew C. Fere for President.
Its those big cities against the rest of the country.
"California could cut taxes, fully fund education and balance its budget by seceding from the United States, a newly organized group says.'The Committee to Explore California Secession, also known as Move On California, says it hopes to bring people together to consider the merits of an autonomous and independent California."
I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but even to me this seems obvious folley. I've just been reading how one city- San Diego- is hopelessly in debt owing far more than 1.2 billion dollars that is due very shortly. In addition they are trying to float a short-term loan for something over 500 million to finish a sewer project that the EPA is ready to fine them over if they don't finish it. The list of their debts goes on and on. The rest of California is in similar or worse shape.
Actually, now that I think about it, see ya' California- don't let the door hit ya' in the a.....
The only problem with that otherwise magnificent scenario is loss of Naval bases.
That's what it is...it's urban blight vs. the US...with a few exceptions...
Last time I checked the current miltary we have belongs to the United States of America.
And I would highly doubt that everyone of those Marines was born and raised in California.
Might want to learn how to take a joke.
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