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It's Time To Privatize Social Security - (Edward L. Daley's newest!)
TIMES-POST.COM ^ | JANUARY 13, 2005 | EDWARD L. DALEY

Posted on 01/12/2005 7:22:09 PM PST by CHARLITE

One of the most important political issues that will be debated this year is how to prevent the inevitable insolvency of our Social Security system. Although it is difficult to know which "experts" to believe when it comes to applying a date to the event, the majority of credible sources I've managed to find expect the system to begin paying out more money annually than it takes in within the next 20 years, if things continue unchanged.

Dorcas R. Hardy believes that Social Security will become insolvent by as early as 2018, and if this former S. S. Commissioner is even close to being accurate in his assessment, by the time I retire (I'm nearly 42) this country will be facing a fiscal crisis so profound that our current $7.6 trillion national debt will seem like a minor monetary nuisance by comparison.

President Bush understands this basic truth, and has, consequently, decided to tackle the problem head-on, instead of simply paying lip service to it and "kicking the can down the road" to the next administration, like his predecessor did. The Bush plan involves allowing individuals (primarily Generation Xers) to place a portion of the money they would otherwise pay to Social Security into individual retirement accounts on a voluntary basis.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/social-security

While the transition to this sort of partially privatized system may prove to be troublesome initially, the potential difficulties involved do not compare to the enormous problems we'll face if we do nothing but attempt to prop up the same old, outdated system. Continuing down the path upon which we find ourselves today can only lead to increased taxation, decreased retirement benefits or both, and few serious students of the problem have concluded otherwise.

In fact, a substantial majority of reputable economists like Martin Feldstein of Harvard University and Karl Borden of the University of Nebraska agree that some form of privatization is called for if we are to avoid an economic catastrophe in the future. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has spoken about the obvious advantages of such a scheme, among others, and even Edward Prescott, the winner of the 2004 Nobel Prize in Economics supports the idea of individual retirement accounts.

http://www.nber.org/feldstein/aeajan8.pdf

http://www.cato.org/pubs/ssps/ssp1.html

http://www.socialsecurity.org/sstw/sstw11-19-04.pdf

Furthermore, Zogby International has consistently found that roughly two thirds of the American people support the idea of private accounts, and have for many years. As far back as 1992, polls taken by various independent organizations showed that over 80 percent of Americans under the age of 35 favored the partial privatization of Social Security. Since they are the ones who will have to deal with the initial consequences of the government's failure to reform the system, their opinions regarding how we handle the situation should matter the most to our elected representatives.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/ssps/ssp29.pdf

Of course, most Democrats are against the idea of personal retirement accounts, especially now that Republican legislators are seriously considering actually moving the system in that direction, instead of just talking about it. One liberal, who's name escapes me at the moment, but who's thoughts on the matter I had the misfortune of reading in the form of an op-ed just the other day, argued that Social Security really isn't in any trouble at all. He opined that, contrary to what most people believe, the trillions of dollars in combined Social Security surpluses that have been spent on everything BUT retirement benefits in recent decades, weren't really misappropriated. It was his contention that the government has merely "borrowed" the money, and will pay it back in time.

What he failed to take into account is the fact that the government HAS NO MONEY! The government does not create wealth, it acquires wealth through taxation, and if the people running our government intend to pay back into the Social Security system even a fraction of what they and their predecessors have taken out of it, they must first get the money from the people who earn it... taxpayers. Those taxpayers just happen to be the same folks who are owed those Social Security benefits in the first place!

Sure, the government could keep the old Social Security system going for a good long time, and ensure that everyone gets what they've been promised, but to do so it will have to raise taxes more and more every year. Still, eventually even that scheme is bound to fail, simply because the number of younger people paying into the system will keep declining in proportion to the number of older people collecting benefits. One reason is that the birth rate keeps going down in this country. In fact, it's about two thirds of the rate that it was 50 years ago, and there's no reason to believe it will suddenly increase in the near future.

Secondly, the life expectancy of the average U.S. citizen has risen from 63 years of age when Social Security was first introduced, to 75 years today. Not only is there a larger percentage of elderly Americans than ever before, but they're collecting a lot more benefits than they used to, and the way medical science is progressing, that trend is unlikely to reverse itself. What used to be a ratio of 16 workers to every retired person, is now a ratio of 3 to 1. It won't be long before it's 2 to 1, and then what do we do, give a third of everything we earn to the Social Security system?

That doesn't sound like a very equitable plan to me, and I doubt that anyone who's really thought about the problem would disagree. No matter how politicians arrange the numbers, the fact remains that there's a finite amount of money going into the system at any given time, and a finite amount coming out. All the money involved is created by the American taxpayer, and it's the taxpayer who should retain control over it whenever possible. The best way to achieve that goal is to prevent the government from taking so much of it to begin with, and return to the ideals of personal responsibility and individual liberty upon which this country was built.

You can bet your bottom dollar that there'll be a lot of opposition to the President's plan (and any other sensible plan that comes along) in the coming months, from every babbling liberal in both Congress and the "mainstream" press. But then, if they had any common sense at all, they wouldn't be liberals in the first place.

Edward L. Daley is the owner of the Daley Times-Post
http://www.times-post.com

Comments: thofab@adelphia.net


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alangreenspan; funding; future; generationxers; privitization; retirement; socialsecurity

1 posted on 01/12/2005 7:22:10 PM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Yes, before Washington spends what is left of OUR MONEY!


2 posted on 01/12/2005 7:23:51 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

THE transition costs are in the trillions, I've heard. Unfortunately, the money withheld from your paycheck this month goes to pay social security to current beneficiaries next month. Somebody is going to have to pay twice, first by paying benefits to current people, and then by putting money into these new proposed private accounts.


3 posted on 01/12/2005 7:31:47 PM PST by Dan19
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To: CHARLITE

I am 40 years old and cannot remember thinking I would actually ever get any social security in my retirement years. As a result I have resented every penny I paid into the system.


4 posted on 01/12/2005 7:33:32 PM PST by msnimje
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To: CHARLITE

The term Ponzi scheme refers to a criminal enterprise operating under the guise of a successful investment program. Money obtained from later investors is paid to earlier investors, giving the appearance that the program is a success, when in fact it is steadily losing money. Because Ponzi Schemes do not usually conduct any form of legitimate business, it is inevitable that they will ultimately collapse, often times in bankruptcy, causing huge losses to investors. Promoters of Ponzi Schemes are frequently criminally prosecuted when the fraud finally comes to light.


5 posted on 01/12/2005 7:37:41 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Free Scott Peterson!!! In Iraq. Wearing an "Allah is the Devil" tee shirt.)
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To: EagleUSA
"Yes, before Washington spends what is left of OUR MONEY!" And the Hallelujah Chorus fills the room. Forever and ever and ever and ever.

Amen!

6 posted on 01/12/2005 7:40:15 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative.)
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To: EagleUSA

I have been paying into the SS system for 40 years. Not long ago they sent me a form showing how much I paid in and how much I will receive when retire
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Fifteen years ago I began to pay into a 401-k the same amount as the SS takes out, both what I pay and my employer's part.
I will draw the SAME amount with my 401-k.
So, why did it take 15 years of private savings to equal 40 years of SS savings.
Had I put my SS money into a private account 40 years ago I could have retired at 55 instead of 62 and when I "check out", my kids will receive it.


7 posted on 01/12/2005 7:40:34 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Pity the poor athiest. He has no one to put the blame on.)
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To: Dan19

THE transition costs are in the trillions, I've heard. Unfortunately, the money withheld from your paycheck this month goes to pay social security to current beneficiaries next month. Somebody is going to have to pay twice, first by paying benefits to current people, and then by putting money into these new proposed private accounts.
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Transistion costs...hmmm. What the freakin' government should do is simply not take your money and let YOU MANAGE AND INVEST YOUR OWN MONEY. SS is a scheme, just like withholding tax, to milk money from you incrementally.

Why does any adult, with a functional mind, need the governemnt to take his money (a tax) only to give PART OF IT BACK later on, AND TO BE TAXED ON IT A SECOND TIME. When will people recognize what SS is --- a double tax scheme where they keep and spend alot of YOUR MONEY. If I had invested the money that was taxed away into SS over my career, and collected even modest, secure interest, I would be a happy camper and would have realized a very good return on my investment. What is your SS account going to return to you on your "investment"???? -- other than a massive loss??




8 posted on 01/12/2005 7:41:26 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Had I put my SS money into a private account 40 years ago I could have retired at 55 instead of 62

Worth repeating......for our young!

9 posted on 01/12/2005 7:42:59 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Had I put my SS money into a private account 40 years ago I could have retired at 55 instead of 62 and when I "check out", my kids will receive it.
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Right on. It is amazing how some people just don't get it.


10 posted on 01/12/2005 7:46:01 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I am with you on that. My statement shows $300k. If I had invested that in mutual funds, the numbers would be in the millions. Oh well, socialism at work. Vote for a Dem (who does not fall under the same system.)

Someone should ask Teddy or th Bitch what their Federal Retirement progams are.

If anyonone gets an answer, y'all just got the 'polio of the year prize'. /sarcasm

11 posted on 01/12/2005 7:48:50 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: CHARLITE

BTTT!


12 posted on 01/12/2005 7:49:26 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: Dan19
THE transition costs are in the trillions, I've heard

You heard right, but you heard this from those who oppose the transition. If you wanted the transition to happen, you would develop a system of paying for it in increments that spread over time would not hurt too much in any one year. In fact, thats what will happen. Like buying a house, you don't pay cash for it. But over time you end up owning it anyway. (And you usually pay the loan off with inflated dollars, not that inflation is a good thing, but when it is factored in the transition can be done.)

13 posted on 01/12/2005 7:54:07 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Dan19
THE transition costs are in the trillions

Social Security: Doing Nothing Costs TRILLION$  More
Is there a Social Security CRISIS 

Answering the incredibly idiotic Michael Kinsley's attack
Some links on partial privatization

14 posted on 01/12/2005 8:25:00 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Social Security is a disaster. Keeping it going doesn't even begin to fix the problem."-Neal Boortz)
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To: CHARLITE

The only thing better than completely privatizing Social Security would be abolishing it. You either save for retirement, or you don't.


15 posted on 01/12/2005 8:40:48 PM PST by NCPAC (Social Darwinists Unite!)
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To: CHARLITE
If allowing individuals to take part of their Social Security payments and invest it in the Stock Market is such a terrific idea why hasn't the government already done the same thing?

If it is such a great investment and the government had already done so then we should be seeing a strong return on the investment. That would mean an increase in Social Security benefits and a reduction in taxes.

For that matter if it's such a great idea why don't they make the change now? It wouldn't require a big political battle just a change in the way the money is invested.

But I suspect the government knows it is too risky of an investment so they leave the money in T Bills.

So I guess the real question is if the stock market is too risky of an investment for the government why is not too risky for individuals?

I believe the answer is that we're being scammed again.
16 posted on 01/12/2005 8:47:23 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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