Posted on 1/13/2005, 4:00:33 PM by Laissez-faire capitalist
Gay activists and their supporters often say, "Why would someone choose to be gay?" But why would someone want to change political parties? Why would someone want to change their religion? Maybe it's just what they feel like they need to do, or be.
Gay activists and their supporters often resort to using this phrase or one similar to it. They state: Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation?
To which I respond: Why would a Muslim choose to convert to Christianity in a region of the world like Sudan or Iran where they will face grief, opposition, persecution, or even death over their religious orientation?
As well, why would someone choose to change their political orientation, to say Republican, in a family which is strictly union Democrat, and which has voted exclusively Democrat for generations, when they will face grief and opposition over their political orientation?
Now, some may respond that you cannot compare sexual orientation with political or religious orientation, since one makes the choice to convert from one religion or political orientation to another, and that one doesn't choose to be gay, that they are "born that way."
Gays aren't "born that way", though.
Numerous scientific studies, posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts, show these things:
1.) Environment plays a strong role in homosexuality developing. Almost all of the experts who have done some type of study on homosexuality say that homosexuality cannot be explained apart from reference to environmental factors.
2.) There is a strong prevalance of same-sex sexual abuse in the childhoods of homosexuals.
3.) Many homosexuals themselves link their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.
4.) Gender Identity Disorder, gender confusion and other environmental factors have been shown to play a role in homosexuality developing in some individuals.
5.) There is no "gay gene." Identical-Twin studies, as well as other studies, have smashed this possibility.
6.) Personal choice, to some degree, is involved in all behaviors, sexual or otherwise. Even some lesbians agree with this. Genetic or environmental factors are never overwhelming.
So, you can see that the argument of "Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation", doesn't hold water, and neither does the lie of gays being "born that way."
We just want "the love that dare not speak it's name" to shut up and return to the closet.
How do you explain the twins studies?
So what are you saying? That my friend's families are perverts. Is that you fall back argument. I admit, its hard to argue with. Kinda like the liberal argument that Bush won because he rigged the voting machines. "How do you know he didn't" , they say. Were you there to see it, or not see it. Fractured logic argument. I guess Dick Cheney and Ronald Reagan might have molested their queer children also. Who knows. You don't,, I don't. Maybe my parents molested me. I may not remember. Maybe yours did too. You may not know. How does it feel to know you might have been molested. Boy, you opened up a whole can of worms that I never thought of.
It should be officially known as "the love that won't STFU!"
I believe we can agree that in each case the choice is made because of tendencies that the mind cannot resist. This is not my major concern, the problem as I see it is that some one in one of these groups wants society to accept their behavior and put up with it in all openness. To suggest that society do this is to suggest that a society "value" alcoholism, drug use, pedophilia,a nd homosexuality. I can not see a benefit to society. I can see why these groups would like more acceptance, but no good arguement for society to accept.
For another view of same-sex attraction disorder:
On Ducks And Homosexuality
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1311980/posts
I don't know if gays are born that way, made that way, seduced into it, or what not. What I do know is that sexuality isn't a light switch you can just flick back and forth. I can't help but notice women, it's not something that I can choose.
You've inadvertantly made my argument for me. The urges may not be inborn, but they beyond our choosing. You may successfully, or unsuccessfully fight the urges, but that's not the same thing as not having them. I've never had the urge to touch hairy man butt, ever. I had nothing to fight in that arena. However, I've had to fight a whole lot of urges concerning the female body.
It's much more embarrassing to see any uninformed, alleged Freepers in here supporting homosexuals in the deathstyle that will ultimately consume their lives and their souls.
Homophobia is a lie, by the by. We aren't afraid of them, only disgusted by their perversions.
My "argument" is that there is absolutely no way you could know what went on in your friends' home from the time of their birth until this very minute. Nobody can know what really happens in the private lives of other people.
ROFL
Our neighbor sent her son to ballet class at age five. He was the only boy among over 100 girls. He was stuck there for four or five years. Fortunately, five years later, he seems to be a normal boy.
I don't agree that the mind cannot resist. But I do agree that the activities I listed are harmful to society.
Gotta wonder about the mom's decision on ballet. Some kind of screwy motivation there.
You (and the Catholic Aposolate) first mistake is comparing homos with winos. I don't feel like explaining what I feel is the difference because this subject is retarded anyway. Basically I feel that queers should not have special rights. That's about where it ends for me. Whether you are born gay or you just feel like it is hip to bang dudes I guess is up for a never ending argument.
Mel
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