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F***ing with Freepers: Sex catapults me to the big time
Creative Loafing (Atlanta) ^ | 1/13/05 | CLIFF BOSTOCK

Posted on 01/14/2005 7:57:27 AM PST by madprof98

Woo hoo! I've made the big time. Last month, the website Free Republic featured a thread about my Nov. 18 column, "Queers Who Don't Act Right." You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic. Free Republic is so far right that wing-nut gay muckraker Matt Drudge and Lucianne Goldberg, one of the architects of the Clinton-Monica Lewinsky brouhaha, both left the site in 1999 because it was too extreme, even for them.

In the years since, the site has become the contemporary version of a marathon meeting of the old John Birch Society and the KKK. Most recently, Free Republic was in the news when John Corsi, one of the Swift Boat Veterans who authored a book attacking John Kerry, turned out to post embarrassingly racist messages there. (Of course, he argued his racist insults were all "a joke." Talk about your Clintonian rhetoric.) The site also was in the news recently because someone correctly posted that Dan Rather had relied on phony documents to impute President Bush's National Guard service.

Free Republic is so extreme that it's a blast to read. Don't bother to explore the site with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts. Your post will simply be deleted, despite its owner's celebration of freedom of speech. The site has no hesitation in reprinting copyrighted material, like my column, even though the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times both successfully sued to stop such theft. In other words, as is generally true of the lunatic far right, the truth, free speech and the law only matter when they support their point of view.

Of course, Freepers, as the creepy wing-nuts on the site are called, were not alone in being outraged by my column. I received quite a lot of mail, mainly from other gay people, questioning my argument that LA Fitness at Ansley Mall overreacted when it closed its sauna because of some occasional sex and reopened it with a new picture window overlooking the locker room. As an update, I might add that the window has effectively eliminated unseen sexual interactions inside the sauna and made room for another, more open form of sex between people on either side of the window: exhibitionism and voyeurism.

Most of my correspondents argued that the occasional discovery of sex in the sauna merited involvement by the police and the health department, reconstruction of the sauna and a report by one of the local TV stations. And, as usual, they concluded that because I called that overreacting, I must favor sex in public spaces. No matter that I said I find the behavior annoying. To be righteous, I must find it -- what? -- criminally actionable.

I wasn't surprised by the reaction. Sex troubles people more than anything. That's why Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob, while Bush was re-elected despite lying about a war that has killed thousands. Gay people's oppression is the result of their sex lives, so it's not surprising that they are hypersensitive to anything that might add to the picture of deviance. But it has become obvious that the very effort to make all deviance disappear and to assimilate -- to marry, for example -- increases prejudice.

The Freepers, of course, took outrage over my column to dizzy heights, fabricating arguments I did not make. This began with the man who posted it, "madpro98." He said that I dismissed "all sexual conventions, including common decency, as so much homophobia." Actually, I wrote no such thing. Then, of course, the Freepers concluded that the case of LA Fitness means every gay man is a sauna whore. For example, "Sender" writes: "Does anyone else think it's strange that gay men often have sex in a public toilet stall? ... Even if we had unisex public restrooms, somehow I can't imagine a man and a woman eyeing one another while washing their hands, then just jumping in the stall for a go."

The writer obviously has never been to Buckhead on a Saturday night. But what cracks me up is that the Freepers are so anxious to bash someone like me that they don't even realize when they are supporting a contrary argument. For example, "buffyt" quoted my statement that I don't like "stumbling upon any sex scene to which I have not been invited." Then she riffed obsessively about heterosexual couples at Mardi Gras "coupling all over the place" while the police ignore them. Exactly. Heterosexuals spoil the view with public sexual interactions every bit as much as homosexuals, arguably more, when they can find a place to do it. Nobody followed up on that post, of course.

I'm not going to quote the mind-boggling illogics and endless sophomoric fag-bashing (despite arguing they aren't homophobic). But I will thank "Jack Black," who wrote: "I think this was very well written. He is writing for the audience of radical homosexuals as one, so I have trouble twisting my thoughts enough to get to his point of view, but I still think the writing is good." Kiss me, dude!

Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology. Write him at cliff.bostock@ creativeloafing.com.


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Those who missed the piece by Bostock that I posted, "Queers who don't act right: Of gay sex, marriage and the sauna," will find it here. I think I was right on target in my comment about it, and evidently so did many of Bostock's other readers. Good to see when one of these posts strikes its intended target.
1 posted on 01/14/2005 7:57:27 AM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98

What the heck is "depth psychology"? Sounds like a made-up degree--perhaps off the internet?


2 posted on 01/14/2005 7:59:07 AM PST by cwiz24 (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
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To: madprof98
Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology and lived in his mother's basement where he enjoys rubbing himself with plush toys.
3 posted on 01/14/2005 7:59:55 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: madprof98
Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology and liveS in his mother's basement where he enjoys rubbing himself with plush toys.
4 posted on 01/14/2005 8:00:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: madprof98
Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology.

Psychologist, heal thyself.

5 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:21 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents..." --Anon.)
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To: madprof98
You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic

Shut your PHd Hole

6 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:34 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: madprof98

He types with a lisp.


7 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:45 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: madprof98
Gay people's oppression is the result of their sex lives

What oppression? Last I looked, no one has stopped them from running around shagging anything that moves. There's a reason HIV is running rampant in the gay world. One need look no further than that.

8 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:46 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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To: cwiz24
What the heck is "depth psychology"?

I was wondering the same thing. Great minds and all that...

9 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:50 AM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: madprof98

What is a Ph.D in "depth psychology"? Or is this one of those things I shouldn't know?


10 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:53 AM PST by Gingersnap
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To: madprof98

What the hell is "depth psycology"?!


11 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:54 AM PST by conservativegirl
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To: madprof98
Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology

Huh? Did he get that degree out of a box of Wheaties?

12 posted on 01/14/2005 8:01:56 AM PST by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: AppyPappy
So that's what depth psychology is. Having a PhD in it must make him pretty experienced.
13 posted on 01/14/2005 8:02:07 AM PST by cwiz24 (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
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To: madprof98

You can't say f***ing here! Who do you think you are?


14 posted on 01/14/2005 8:02:23 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: madprof98

Odd that I read Free Republic every day, but I have never seen or heard of Cliff Bostock and his website.


15 posted on 01/14/2005 8:02:28 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: madprof98
Don't bother to explore the site with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts.

That in itself shows that this guy hasn't spent more than a few minutes around here. The flame wars involving posters with "alternate perspectives" are legendary.

16 posted on 01/14/2005 8:02:33 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: madprof98

He is right about a few things, there ARE some whacko's here, and there are some threads that are embarrasing. However, those posts and posters are a small minority here, but as you know, its there folks who will get the attention. Right now, there is probably more intellectual fire power on FR than there is on any website on earth. There are freepers with all sorts of backgrounds and specialties. Alot of signal in the noise here, alot.


17 posted on 01/14/2005 8:02:43 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: madprof98
Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology.

Oh, I bet he is.

18 posted on 01/14/2005 8:03:15 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: madprof98

He'd better be careful. By sending his loyal readers here to lurk, they may become poisoned!

We recruit, ya know.


19 posted on 01/14/2005 8:03:21 AM PST by DBrow
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To: madprof98
Yo', Cliff. You see a "right wing lunatic", you kick his ass.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

20 posted on 01/14/2005 8:03:40 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: cwiz24

Lets shove this depth psychology and psychologist farther down the food chain. Bacteria should be a good place to start.


21 posted on 01/14/2005 8:03:57 AM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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To: Puppage

I guess I'm a right-wing lunatic.

I can live with that...


22 posted on 01/14/2005 8:03:58 AM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: madprof98

I gotta go wash my eyes now. Geeze, first post of the day too!


23 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:02 AM PST by MarineBrat (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools!)
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To: madprof98

"Of course, Freepers, as the creepy wing-nuts on the site are called..."

Sheesh Sally, keep your top on.

Creepy people are creepy, period, whether lib or conservative.


24 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:06 AM PST by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
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To: madprof98
In the years since, the site has become the contemporary version of a marathon meeting of the old John Birch Society and the KKK.

What a crock of gobshite. The Birchers have no use for FR because they consider George W. Bush to be a "jack-booted thug" (unlike their heroes Papadopoulos, Pinochet, and Trujillo). They also (of course) oppose our war in Iraq as a "neocon" (and we all know who those are, don't we?) plot.

I used to be a Bircher. These liberals who think everyone to the right of them is a Bircher are idiots.

25 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:19 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'kha ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibatel mimennah.)
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To: madprof98

Does depth Phsycology involve a gerbil or a fist?


26 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:28 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: madprof98
Exactly. Heterosexuals spoil the view with public sexual interactions every bit as much as homosexuals, arguably more, when they can find a place to do it.

I urge the author to come up to Toronto where there are gay bath houses and gay orgy bars every other block in the downtown area, when it comes to public sexual interactions, not the fruits take the cake!!!

27 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:42 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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To: madprof98
"The site has no hesitation in reprinting copyrighted material, like my column"

Cliff, while it's true that some worthwhile materials is at times reproduced here your blather is only produced on slow news days or for general entertainment - You know, a sort of feel good example of leftist lack of a brain..

28 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:43 AM PST by drt1
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To: madprof98

More on depth psychology:

http://www.pacifica.edu/dp_phd_humanities.html


29 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:45 AM PST by Huck (I only type LOL when I'm really LOL.)
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To: madprof98

I'm a "right-wing lunatic?" Cool!


30 posted on 01/14/2005 8:04:52 AM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: madprof98

"posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts."

How do you correct a fact??


31 posted on 01/14/2005 8:05:12 AM PST by melbell (There are 10 types of people in the world...those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: Gefreiter

Creepy wing-nut, reporting for duty.


32 posted on 01/14/2005 8:05:15 AM PST by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: madprof98
"Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology."

I'm convinced that the highest levels of education are often accompanied by increased stupidity.
33 posted on 01/14/2005 8:05:18 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: madprof98

This author is wrong on som many levels- how does he manage to be published?

FR loves free speach, and alternative viewpoits are welcome here if they are discussed inteligently.

If he want to see nut-jobs he shold go to DemocraticUnderground and listen to the filth and hatred.

Yeah we have the few extremists- but we police ourselves very well, I think.


34 posted on 01/14/2005 8:05:23 AM PST by Mr. K (all your tagline are belong to us)
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To: madprof98
You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic.

Wow that made my day. Look Ma I've made it.

35 posted on 01/14/2005 8:05:35 AM PST by swheats
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To: madprof98
You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic.

Funny. I don't feel like a right-wing lunatic. But alas, I don't have a Ph.D. in "depth psychology".

36 posted on 01/14/2005 8:05:36 AM PST by opus86
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To: madprof98

One more variation on, "Anyone who disagrees with me is a right-wing lunatic".


37 posted on 01/14/2005 8:05:41 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: madprof98
I'm not going to quote the mind-boggling illogics and endless sophomoric fag-bashing (despite arguing they aren't homophobic).

Idiot, not you poster, but the author, Homophobic is the fear of homosexuals, not everyone who thinks that two men ***** one another is sick.

38 posted on 01/14/2005 8:06:03 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: dead

and probably minces when he walks!

Depth Psychology? What is that? Better penetration by his male lovers? And he got a PhD in it? SCARY. Must have been a degree from UofC at San Francisco!


39 posted on 01/14/2005 8:06:15 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: madprof98
Most recently, Free Republic was in the news when John Corsi, one of the Swift Boat Veterans who authored a book attacking John Kerry, turned out to post embarrassingly racist messages there.

Once again lefty nutcases come to the defense of the most anti-homosexual, Fundamentalist segment of the population.

These people are sending mixed messages. Is it Fundamentalism they object to or Fundamentalism among people with insufficient melanin?

41 posted on 01/14/2005 8:06:29 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'kha ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibatel mimennah.)
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To: buffyt

look who made the news


42 posted on 01/14/2005 8:06:51 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: madprof98

The only good thing about his reaction is that it is forcing him to form cohesive sentences while attempting to argue his position -- something that requires a lot of effort from his stumbling, irrational point of view. Just keep reading Freeper, Cliff, and you will see the light.

P.S. Cliff? If people had bothered to listen to the John Birch Society back in the forties, we could have avoided a Cold War and McCarthyism because the John Birchers, were, of course, RIGHT.


43 posted on 01/14/2005 8:06:52 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple

You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic. Free Republic is so far right that wing-nut gay muckraker Matt Drudge and Lucianne Goldberg, one of the architects of the Clinton-Monica Lewinsky brouhaha, both left the site in 1999 because it was too extreme, even for them.



Right wing lunatics....... lol. Gosh are the inferences to RINOS just teasing post?


44 posted on 01/14/2005 8:06:52 AM PST by deport (Law of Probability Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: popdonnelly
Odd that I read Free Republic every day, but I have never seen or heard of Cliff Bostock and his website.

Me neither. He does seem obsessed with us, though.

45 posted on 01/14/2005 8:07:01 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: madprof98

What a fag.


46 posted on 01/14/2005 8:07:09 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: madprof98

Mr Bostock forgets that Clinton lied under oath in a SEXUAL HARASSMENT trial where he was accused of assaulting a state worker under his authority. Of course that doesn't matter because he has his strawman against Bush.

Please prove that Bush lied. We'll wait patiently.


47 posted on 01/14/2005 8:07:41 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: madprof98; Buckhead
Even if we had unisex public restrooms, somehow I can't imagine a man and a woman eyeing one another while washing their hands, then just jumping in the stall for a go." ... The writer obviously has never been to Buckhead on a Saturday night.

What say you, Buckhead?

Now that you're a famous on-line celebrity, and all, are you seeing a lot more action than you're letting on?

48 posted on 01/14/2005 8:07:53 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: madprof98
Conservatives are racist, sexist, homophobes; really pushing the argument.....yawn!!! What a waste of 10 years of edication/tax $$!! Seemed to miss the 1 in 4 homomen will catch HIV in the next 10 yrs????

Pray for W and Our Troops

49 posted on 01/14/2005 8:08:05 AM PST by bray (The Rather-hate Scandal was to Back Michael Maroon!)
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To: madprof98

The Deep South version of Miss Morford.


50 posted on 01/14/2005 8:08:14 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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