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F***ing with Freepers: Sex catapults me to the big time
Creative Loafing (Atlanta) ^ | 1/13/05 | CLIFF BOSTOCK

Posted on 01/14/2005 7:57:27 AM PST by madprof98

Woo hoo! I've made the big time. Last month, the website Free Republic featured a thread about my Nov. 18 column, "Queers Who Don't Act Right." You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic. Free Republic is so far right that wing-nut gay muckraker Matt Drudge and Lucianne Goldberg, one of the architects of the Clinton-Monica Lewinsky brouhaha, both left the site in 1999 because it was too extreme, even for them.

In the years since, the site has become the contemporary version of a marathon meeting of the old John Birch Society and the KKK. Most recently, Free Republic was in the news when John Corsi, one of the Swift Boat Veterans who authored a book attacking John Kerry, turned out to post embarrassingly racist messages there. (Of course, he argued his racist insults were all "a joke." Talk about your Clintonian rhetoric.) The site also was in the news recently because someone correctly posted that Dan Rather had relied on phony documents to impute President Bush's National Guard service.

Free Republic is so extreme that it's a blast to read. Don't bother to explore the site with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts. Your post will simply be deleted, despite its owner's celebration of freedom of speech. The site has no hesitation in reprinting copyrighted material, like my column, even though the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times both successfully sued to stop such theft. In other words, as is generally true of the lunatic far right, the truth, free speech and the law only matter when they support their point of view.

Of course, Freepers, as the creepy wing-nuts on the site are called, were not alone in being outraged by my column. I received quite a lot of mail, mainly from other gay people, questioning my argument that LA Fitness at Ansley Mall overreacted when it closed its sauna because of some occasional sex and reopened it with a new picture window overlooking the locker room. As an update, I might add that the window has effectively eliminated unseen sexual interactions inside the sauna and made room for another, more open form of sex between people on either side of the window: exhibitionism and voyeurism.

Most of my correspondents argued that the occasional discovery of sex in the sauna merited involvement by the police and the health department, reconstruction of the sauna and a report by one of the local TV stations. And, as usual, they concluded that because I called that overreacting, I must favor sex in public spaces. No matter that I said I find the behavior annoying. To be righteous, I must find it -- what? -- criminally actionable.

I wasn't surprised by the reaction. Sex troubles people more than anything. That's why Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob, while Bush was re-elected despite lying about a war that has killed thousands. Gay people's oppression is the result of their sex lives, so it's not surprising that they are hypersensitive to anything that might add to the picture of deviance. But it has become obvious that the very effort to make all deviance disappear and to assimilate -- to marry, for example -- increases prejudice.

The Freepers, of course, took outrage over my column to dizzy heights, fabricating arguments I did not make. This began with the man who posted it, "madpro98." He said that I dismissed "all sexual conventions, including common decency, as so much homophobia." Actually, I wrote no such thing. Then, of course, the Freepers concluded that the case of LA Fitness means every gay man is a sauna whore. For example, "Sender" writes: "Does anyone else think it's strange that gay men often have sex in a public toilet stall? ... Even if we had unisex public restrooms, somehow I can't imagine a man and a woman eyeing one another while washing their hands, then just jumping in the stall for a go."

The writer obviously has never been to Buckhead on a Saturday night. But what cracks me up is that the Freepers are so anxious to bash someone like me that they don't even realize when they are supporting a contrary argument. For example, "buffyt" quoted my statement that I don't like "stumbling upon any sex scene to which I have not been invited." Then she riffed obsessively about heterosexual couples at Mardi Gras "coupling all over the place" while the police ignore them. Exactly. Heterosexuals spoil the view with public sexual interactions every bit as much as homosexuals, arguably more, when they can find a place to do it. Nobody followed up on that post, of course.

I'm not going to quote the mind-boggling illogics and endless sophomoric fag-bashing (despite arguing they aren't homophobic). But I will thank "Jack Black," who wrote: "I think this was very well written. He is writing for the audience of radical homosexuals as one, so I have trouble twisting my thoughts enough to get to his point of view, but I still think the writing is good." Kiss me, dude!

Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology. Write him at cliff.bostock@ creativeloafing.com.


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To: sandyeggo

At a particular college athletic facility that I won't name, its not to uncommon to find heterosexual activity happening in the hot tub. Its been 10 years since I graduated and when I speak to the kids entering the alumni association, things haven changed much.


141 posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:05 AM PST by stacytec
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To: madprof98

This dude has some serious issues.


142 posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:20 AM PST by CheneyChick
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To: madprof98

If this joint is "right wing lunatic" then wtf am I?


143 posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:24 AM PST by wardaddy (Quisiera ser un pez para tocar mi nariz en tu pecera)
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To: madprof98
Talk about your Clintonian rhetoric.

Isn't he incriminating his own side there?

144 posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:32 AM PST by Terriergal (...the fool has said in his heart 'there is no God')
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To: madprof98

Matt Drudge "left" because a Freeper scooped him and he took it a little personally.

Don't know the exact deal between Trixie and FR, but I understand that her message board is quite facist. You address another poster by name, you get banned.

When a non-troll gets banned, it's usually for being too far off to the right.


145 posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:33 AM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: Wisconsin155

Yup, that's me. A Jewish right-wing nut, who supports gay marriage.


146 posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:45 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: madprof98

http://www.tearsofllorona.com/depth.html has some gobbledygook on depth psychology. My wife, the would be psychologist,has never heard of it.


147 posted on 01/14/2005 8:32:20 AM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: madprof98
This began with the man who posted it, "madpro98."

You're famous! I got the local paper editor mad at me too about concealed carry reform. Don't it feel good?

148 posted on 01/14/2005 8:32:23 AM PST by Terriergal (...the fool has said in his heart 'there is no God')
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To: madprof98

This guy clearly needs to read my groundbreaking book- "The Erotic Inadequacies of the Gay Pee Pee" It would set him straigbt- so to speak


149 posted on 01/14/2005 8:32:27 AM PST by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
LOL You're welcome.
150 posted on 01/14/2005 8:32:36 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Zionist Conspirator

"These liberals who think everyone to the right of them is a Bircher are idiots."

No, they're just plain idiots. If they had brains, they wouldn't be leftists.


152 posted on 01/14/2005 8:33:25 AM PST by Altamira (Get the UN out of the US, and the US out of the UN!)
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To: madprof98
In the years since, the site has become the contemporary version of a marathon meeting of the old John Birch Society and the KKK

Typical liberal. Makes a statement without backing it up with any evidence.

153 posted on 01/14/2005 8:33:25 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: FormerLib
LOL!

Nothing funnier than seeing a queen on a mission.

154 posted on 01/14/2005 8:33:33 AM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: BigCinBigD
Hey now, let's not make fun of someone's degrees. I'm sure he worked hard to earn that.

Jokelahoma, proud owner of degrees in Width Psychology, ultraviolet mathematics, polystyrene podiatry, pneumatic pedagogy, and completing my dissertation in quantum sarcasm.

155 posted on 01/14/2005 8:33:40 AM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: cwiz24

"Depth Psychology" sounds like a way to combine majors in folklore and psychology into one handy-dandy degree. Sort of the Jung and the Restless.

OTOH, if I could communicate back to my high school self, I would tell myself to double-major in folklore and marketing in college.... Maybe I'd call myself a "Depth Marketer," if that didn't sound like someone who sold scuba equipment.


156 posted on 01/14/2005 8:33:40 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: madprof98; mhking; .45MAN

More spittle-spewing, hysterical hetero-bashing from the dark side.

::::yawn::::


157 posted on 01/14/2005 8:34:03 AM PST by dansangel
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Free Republic is so extreme that it's a blast to read. Don't bother to explore the site with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts.

Free Republic DemocratUnderground is so extreme that it's a blast to read. (that is, if you're masochistic) Don't bother to explore the site DU with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts.

158 posted on 01/14/2005 8:34:05 AM PST by Terriergal (...the fool has said in his heart 'there is no God')
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To: madprof98

Obviously from the shallow end of the gene pool. "Depth psychology" must be a euphemism for something way too "deep" for us right-wing lunatics to understand...


159 posted on 01/14/2005 8:34:08 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: secretagent

Exactly. Freedom of association is really rule #1 around here, followed freedom of speech. It's perfectly legit.


160 posted on 01/14/2005 8:34:44 AM PST by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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