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CBS Rathergate Producer Mary Mapes Wins
A Different Drummer ^ | 15 January 2005 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 01/14/2005 7:33:29 PM PST by mrustow

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To: mainepatsfan
As bad as what Mapes did was I still think being a Stalin apologist is worse.

She tried to undermine the American electoral system.

21 posted on 01/14/2005 8:33:08 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow
I understand that but Duranty helped enable a mass murderer.
22 posted on 01/14/2005 8:42:15 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mrustow
"‘Mary Mapes earned my trust and the trust of her colleagues with years of excellent, fearless reporting,’ Rather said in a statement provided to The Post. ‘She is tireless in pursuit of a story and she has proven herself many times.’"

...ain't that the truth...

23 posted on 01/14/2005 8:44:14 PM PST by THX 1138
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To: Texas Eagle

The legal problem is that there is NO proof that Mapes/Rather forged the documents. All the evidence points elsewhere. They RECEIVED the documents (everyone seems to agree), so they can't be charged with forgery. Possession of forged documents would require scienter, which would have to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Hard to do in this case.


24 posted on 01/14/2005 8:56:28 PM PST by PzLdr
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To: mrustow

Nicholas Stix BUMP!


25 posted on 01/14/2005 9:00:55 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Shermy
"CBS whitewashed CBS News President Andrew Heyward and CBS Evening News anchor Dan Rather’s involvement in Rathergate."

Perhaps the whitewashing of Rather's involvement was not aimed at protecting his involvement but to save him from embarassment that he wasn't. That is: Rather claimed to have personally checked this and that but what if he realy was an empty suit and did much of nothing but read the teleprompter? You can see why that wouldn't be discussed in the report.

I hear you. Why do I get the idea that there is going to be a Politburo-style official history of the MSM taught in journalism schools regarding the Rathers, Cronkites, and Mapeses, while the real story is only told in journalism's back alleys?

26 posted on 01/14/2005 9:01:07 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mainepatsfan

Second greatest mass murderer in modern history, right behind his fellow toiler Mao, and ahead of the Austrian Lance Corporal.


27 posted on 01/14/2005 9:04:10 PM PST by PzLdr
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To: mainepatsfan
I understand that but Duranty helped enable a mass murderer.

Duranty didn't help enable anybody. To "help enable" means to assist someone in doing what he otherwise would not have been able to do. Who was gong to stop Stalin from murdering all those people, had Duranty not covered for him? No one!

28 posted on 01/14/2005 9:14:51 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: PzLdr
scienter

Huh?

29 posted on 01/14/2005 9:16:38 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Lancey Howard

Bumpbackatcha!


30 posted on 01/14/2005 9:17:15 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: PzLdr
Second greatest mass murderer in modern history, right behind his fellow toiler Mao, and ahead of the Austrian Lance Corporal.

I thought Joe beat Mao. Of course, I've heard wildly divergent numbers for the former (20 mil, 50 mil, 60 mil). The little corporal, on the other hand, has the highest murder-per-year average.

31 posted on 01/14/2005 9:19:46 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow

Is a free press necessary to maintain free government?
Yes.


Can a free democracy survive with a government controlled press?
No.


Is there one bit of difference between a government controlled press and bias and lying press?
No. Not one bit of difference.


Can a free democracy survive with a government controlled press?


32 posted on 01/14/2005 9:28:06 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

And a biased lying press in not one bit different than a government controlled press.


33 posted on 01/14/2005 9:28:52 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: bill1952

Its actually a federal felony...with federal investigators like the FBI...with federal prosecution...federal judges...and federal prisons...in that order of course. My guess is that GW really doesn't want this episode to continue on in open press. He got positive miliage out of this in the end. Mapes and the folks responsible are fired...which is positive. She will have a job within two weeks...probably with CNN...and life will go on. The only thing here that really changed is the use of bloggers to correct MSM. Life will never be the same.


34 posted on 01/14/2005 9:32:29 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Theresawithanh
Theresa, you observed...CBS hopes to bypass any action of the sort by saying they still haven't been proven to be false...

And it seems like an apt observation to me.

This is what's known as "Plausible Deniability". If they never admit a mistake, then it's more difficult to charge them with a crime.

My hypothetical question (for you lawyers out there) is this:

If several people were responsible for passing off FORGED government documents as authentic, THEN all agreed to play stupid when forged docs were proven so by proper authorities, would this be some sort of criminal conspiracy?

I don't know, and I'm willing to be educated here.

35 posted on 01/14/2005 9:52:49 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: mrustow

Hangin's too good for the b****.


36 posted on 01/14/2005 10:12:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on January 13, 2005)
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To: SunkenCiv

I dunno. That may be presumptuous of you. I say, let's hang her, and see how it goes. If it should become clear that hanging was too good for her, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.


37 posted on 01/14/2005 10:20:14 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Texas Eagle
Oops! I just noticed that I only posted a partial title. Son of a gun! It should read,

CBS Rathergate Producer Mary Mapes Wins First Duranty-Blair Award for Journalistic Infamy

Sorry about that!

38 posted on 01/14/2005 10:24:46 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mainepatsfan

Please see #38.


39 posted on 01/14/2005 10:25:20 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Theresawithanh

Please see #38.


40 posted on 01/14/2005 10:25:53 PM PST by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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