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Sy Hirsch Tries To Rip Off Gunny Bob?

Posted on 01/16/2005 8:56:24 AM PST by GunnyBob

I could use some intel from you guys.

Last week, I broke the story on Clear Channel stations from coast to coast of how the US is conducting clandestine reconnaissance missions via Global Hawk in Iran. The Hawks are searching for intel on Iran's nuke program. One went down near Arak, where Iran has their heavy-water facility. I also reported that the rumors of US manned reconnaissance flights over Iran were in fact decoy flights to draw Iran's attention away from the GH missions.

I just heard on MSNBC that Sy Hirsch will have an article in next week's "New Yorker" reporting what I reported last week. Have any of you heard this scoop from a source other than MSNBC?

If he intends to rip me off by claiming he broke this story, I am going to send him an invoice.

Thanks.

Gunny Bob


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bob; global; globalhawk; gunny; hawk; hirsch; iran; looselipssinkships; new; newyorker; thenewyorker; yorker
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1 posted on 01/16/2005 8:56:25 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

What if he credits you?


2 posted on 01/16/2005 8:59:47 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: GunnyBob

That facility could use a bunker buster or two


3 posted on 01/16/2005 9:00:23 AM PST by Joey Silvera
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To: GunnyBob

Can you post a link to your previous post you're referencing?


4 posted on 01/16/2005 9:00:41 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: GunnyBob

Breaking news?


5 posted on 01/16/2005 9:01:10 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

I did not break the story via a post. I broke it via my Global Positioning Statement, which goes out to CC stations around the country.


6 posted on 01/16/2005 9:02:58 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: Bahbah

He won't.

I'm used to getting robbed, though. This happens quite frequently. It is kind of nice being able to prove I broke a story that was later stolen by someone else. ;-)


7 posted on 01/16/2005 9:04:36 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob
I broke the story on Clear Channel stations from coast to coast of how the US is conducting clandestine reconnaissance missions via Global Hawk in Iran.

This seems mightly close to violating the 'loose lips' rule.
8 posted on 01/16/2005 9:15:34 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TomGuy

I broke it after the Hawk was splashed, so the Iranians already knew what we were up to.


9 posted on 01/16/2005 9:19:28 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob
I bet I thought of it before you did!! lol jk ;-)

I hope he credits you in some way at least

10 posted on 01/16/2005 9:21:56 AM PST by KoRn
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To: GunnyBob

Who cares what Sy Hirsh has to say? Answer, no one!!!


11 posted on 01/16/2005 9:24:18 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: GunnyBob
I broke it after the Hawk was splashed, so the Iranians already knew what we were up to.

Source?


12 posted on 01/16/2005 9:26:11 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: TomGuy

Agreed. We've got enough trouble in the world without people blabbing about our operations and aims.


13 posted on 01/16/2005 9:34:08 AM PST by JennysCool (QuarkXPress has caused an error in QuarkXPress. QuarkXPress will now close.)
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To: GunnyBob

Ok. Glad to hear that.

Of course, Michael Savage knew about it in 1993 and everyone else stole it from him.

lol


14 posted on 01/16/2005 9:37:17 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TomGuy

Now cut that out!


15 posted on 01/16/2005 9:38:29 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: darkwing104

Among other things, I am an investigative reporter. Revealing my sources wouldn't be particularly smart.


16 posted on 01/16/2005 9:39:49 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob
I broke it after the Hawk was splashed, so the Iranians already knew what we were up to.

What weapon system splashed the Hawk?

Sy Who?

17 posted on 01/16/2005 9:44:05 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: GunnyBob
Need someone to deliver that invoice, Gunny?
/sarcasm

18 posted on 01/16/2005 10:02:50 AM PST by Bobber58 (whatever it takes, for as long as it takes)
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To: GunnyBob

He is on CNN now.


19 posted on 01/16/2005 10:10:18 AM PST by jonsie
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To: Bobber58

I knew Carlos. Good man. Not a bad shot, either. I tell a tale of his brother snipers at www.mensnewsdaily.com.


20 posted on 01/16/2005 10:12:36 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: Major_Risktaker

Don't know if it was shot down or just crapped out.


21 posted on 01/16/2005 10:13:12 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: JennysCool

Ditto. Of the 30 stories I have broken in the WoT since October 2001, not a one has compromised methods or sources. Too bad other media types don't follow that model.


22 posted on 01/16/2005 10:14:29 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: jonsie

You mean Sy?


23 posted on 01/16/2005 10:15:37 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

Yes, it is over now though. He was on around 1:10 EST.


24 posted on 01/16/2005 10:18:37 AM PST by jonsie
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To: jonsie

Did he talk about this story?


25 posted on 01/16/2005 10:19:27 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

I am not sure, I only saw the end of it, talking about the Abu Ghraib prison abuses. Sorry. I only posted thinking you or someone else saw the whole thing.


26 posted on 01/16/2005 10:22:46 AM PST by jonsie
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To: jonsie

If anyone saw the whole segment with Hirsch on CNN, would you please tell me what he was talking about, especially if he mentioned the Iranian recon story?


27 posted on 01/16/2005 10:24:18 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: jonsie

Thanks for the heads-up, Jonsie.


28 posted on 01/16/2005 10:27:05 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

Over here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1321935/posts


29 posted on 01/16/2005 10:28:50 AM PST by MtnScout
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To: MtnScout

D'oh!


30 posted on 01/16/2005 10:31:31 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: MtnScout

A plague upon the House of Hirsch! I am now duty bound to hunt him down, kill him slowly, skin him, and build a kayak out of his ribcage and a pencil box out of his shinbone.


31 posted on 01/16/2005 10:34:34 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

Looks like they'll pull your thread. I don't know why, given what the New Yorker and Hirsch story says. I'd rather see some FReeper get credit for it than some Commie Bush-basher!


32 posted on 01/16/2005 10:39:14 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: MEG33

Here is my GPS of 7 Jan:

"For several days, rumors have been flying about an aircraft of some sort having been shot down near Iran’s top-secret nuclear weapons development site at Arak. Those rumors are close to being substantiated now. It appears that an unmanned aerial vehicle or UAV, in other words a remote-controlled drone, had been flying over the Iranian facility when it was shot down by Iranian forces. Intelligence coming out of the Middle East says the craft was on a reconnaissance mission to gather information on what’s going on at Arak. Not only may it have had photographic equipment aboard, but also scientific equipment designed to sniff the air for signs of nuclear activity. The speculation is that the aircraft was operated by the CIA from inside Iraq as a means of collecting intelligence that could be used by President Bush or Israel to make a decision as to what action, if any, to take against the terrorist government of Iran for building nuclear weapons. That, of course, is a charge the Iranians have long denied."

Then, after I confirmed the scoop, I ran this GPS on 14 Jan:

"I can now confirm my GPS report of 7 January, which told of rumors about CIA UAVs being sent into Iran to collect data on Iran's nuke sites. One was shot down. These UAVs may have detection systems aboard that would indicate nuclear weapons development is going on at a certain site. This move by the US could easily be considered an act of war, i.e., sending a reconnaissance aircraft into Iranian airspace for the purpose of gathering information on Iran's military capabilities. Iran is playing this close to the vest because they don't know what data the UAVs have collected, which could prove Iran is developing nukes. One of the UAVs in use in Iran is the huge ( 44' x 116' ) Global Hawk, which has a 12,000-mile range, and is anti-aircraft-missile resistant and can be controlled from the AWACS and JSTARS aircraft from great distances. It flies at a maximum altitude of 65,000 feet."


33 posted on 01/16/2005 10:40:05 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

I love how liberal college professors make there students do footnotes in there papers. However its sad that this reporter, who is a probably a college graduate, wont follow these rules. I'm a big fan of give credit where credit is due.

Interesting tidbit... Kerrys Biography (which he didnt write) did have footnotes in it, while John O'Neils book did.


34 posted on 01/16/2005 10:41:24 AM PST by Little_shoe ("For Sailor MEN in Battle fair since fighting days of old have earned the right.to the blue and gold)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Why would "they" pull my thread?


35 posted on 01/16/2005 10:41:32 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

Good to know, Gunny. Thanks!


36 posted on 01/16/2005 10:42:27 AM PST by JennysCool (QuarkXPress has caused an error in QuarkXPress. QuarkXPress will now close.)
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To: darkwing104

Does anyone say "DARK STAR". I guess that congress shouldnt have cut this program, since this wouldnt have happened if we had a stealth UAV.


37 posted on 01/16/2005 10:43:15 AM PST by Little_shoe ("For Sailor MEN in Battle fair since fighting days of old have earned the right.to the blue and gold)
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To: GunnyBob

Sorry. Someone linked this thread at the other thread (the New Yorker one). When I clicked on it there, it said no such post existed. So, since I had this thread still up in a live window, I posted what I did, to see if it was still "alive". It is! The other thread had the wrong link posted, so I posted a correction there.


38 posted on 01/16/2005 10:45:12 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: GunnyBob
David Limbaugh has already commented on "Journalism" versus the National Interest...

I just watched part of Wolf Blitzer's interview of Seymoour Hersh on CNN's Late Edition about Hersh's New Yorker magazine article published today."

Further, he asks "Yes, I said it: unpatriotic. If tipping off the enemy isn't unpatriotic can you tell me what is?"

What do you think about people that disclose covert operations ostensibly to the enemy?

http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2005/01/journalism_vers.html
39 posted on 01/16/2005 3:07:21 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: rodguy911

Ping


40 posted on 01/16/2005 4:55:12 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Smartaleck

"If in fact the United States is engaged in covert operations to determine the nature, extent, and location of WMD and WMD delivery systems in Iran, what possible constructive purpose can be served by the publication of such information -- unless you consider helping our enemies in the War on Terror, such as Iran, a constructive purpose?"

Hmmmm Food for thought, indeed.


41 posted on 01/16/2005 4:59:04 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: GunnyBob

Before you go "breaking" more stories you might want to spell "Sy Hirsch" as Seymour Hersh. I used to make the same mistake too...


42 posted on 01/17/2005 2:49:53 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Noted! :-(


43 posted on 01/17/2005 7:44:01 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: Smartaleck

When a Global Hawk is on the ground in pieces in Iran near their heavy-water facility at Arak, do you think the Iranians might know something is up?

Simply reporting something that has to do with US activity in a certain country does NOT mean the enemy doesn't already know about it.

In the 30 stories I have broken in the WoT, not a one has tipped off the enemy. All the stories I could have broken that would have tipped them off, I refused to report.

Ping.


44 posted on 01/17/2005 7:47:52 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

Many are questioning the wisdom of Seymour Hersh's new article and inteview with CNN.

The news is repleat with articles about the US being in Iran.

This is a good thing?


45 posted on 01/17/2005 9:11:27 AM PST by Smartaleck
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"Statement from Pentagon Spokesman Lawrence DiRita on Latest Seymour Hersh Article"

Mr. Hersh’s article is so riddled with errors of fundamental fact that the credibility of his entire piece is destroyed.

Mr. Hersh’s source(s) feed him with rumor, innuendo,

Mr. Hersh is building on links created by the soft bigotry of some conspiracy theorists

http://www.defenselink.mil/cgi-bin/dlprint.cgi?http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050117-1987.html


46 posted on 01/18/2005 5:03:06 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

Seymour Hersh, who obviously knows nothing about target reconnaissance and how it is being carried out in Iran, was apparently duped by the CIA.

First, US military recon teams would not be assigned the mission of penetrating deep into Iran to compile target folders on suspected nuke sites. That mission falls to three assets: humans of Iranian extraction inside Iran (whether expatriots infiltrated back into Iran or actual Iranian citizens on the CIA payroll), UAVs and satellites. As a former recon team leader, I laugh at the idea of Hersh falling for that story.

Second, he was fed that story by the CIA, which knew he would publish it with a big splash. The CIA did this so that after the story broke, they could observe how and where the Iranian government reacted, such as by seeing the sudden deployment of additional security around suspected sites. If that happened, we would then know something important is there, and we would then devote more assets to it.

Third, the very idea that a US intel official would rat out US recon teams in Iran to Sy Hersh is laughable and punishable by life in prison and even prosecution under the Patriot Act.

The story behind the story is great, huh?

It is gratifying to know my original report on UAVs over Iran was on the money.


47 posted on 01/18/2005 7:55:31 AM PST by GunnyBob
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To: GunnyBob

"As a former recon team leader,"

Things do change and I question the wisdom of posting intel or intel related information in an open public forum. I suppose you have your reasons.


48 posted on 01/18/2005 10:15:55 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: GunnyBob

Yo Gunny Bob... last night on the O'Reilly Factor (Mon. Jan 31st) good old Bill took credit for making the Ward Churchill professor and his essay a national story. He has overlooked the talk show hosts here in Colorado who put the story front and center in the national headlines. You, Peter Boyles, Dan Caplis, Mike Rosen and others.


49 posted on 01/31/2005 11:32:58 PM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

I will speak to Bill and his producers about that claim.

Thanks.

I suppose Bill also claimed credit for the Parade of Lights gig and the "Merry Christmas" sign on City Hall.


50 posted on 02/02/2005 6:32:18 AM PST by GunnyBob
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