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1 posted on 01/17/2005 5:02:08 PM PST by CDB
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To: CDB

Even though what he said is almost certainly true.


2 posted on 01/17/2005 5:05:30 PM PST by Aetius
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To: CDB

Only open mouth to insert other foot, rinse and repeat as needed.


3 posted on 01/17/2005 5:05:52 PM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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Open wide. Insert foot

True maybe, but for whom?

James Tranto oat Best of the Web Today has it nailed pretty well:

"The president of Harvard University, Lawrence H. Summers, sparked an uproar at an academic conference Friday when he said that innate differences between men and women might be one reason fewer women succeed in science and math careers," reports the Boston Globe:

Nancy Hopkins, a biologist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, walked out on Summers' talk, saying later that if she hadn't left, ''I would've either blacked out or thrown up." . . . It was during his comments on ability that Hopkins, sitting only 10 feet from Summers, closed her computer, put on her coat, and walked out. ''It is so upsetting that all these brilliant young women [at Harvard] are being led by a man who views them this way," she said later in an interview.

You've just gotta love this Nancy Hopkins, who managed with her little outburst to reinforce stereotypes of feminists as humorless harpies and of women as ruled by their emotions.

4 posted on 01/17/2005 5:11:50 PM PST by kAcknor (That's my version of it anyway....)
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To: CDB

Somebody better tell this guy that to say anything not PC about women or blacks is against the Cardinal rule for Acedemic survival.

It just isnt done. Truth be damned, If you want to keep your job shut up.


6 posted on 01/17/2005 5:15:03 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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The remarks prompted Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Nancy Hopkins -- a Harvard graduate -- to walk out on Summers' talk, The Boston Globe reported.

Hopkins is a perfect example of what you get with the rampant politicization of science. There's nothing resembling an open mind there. She has no respect for the scientific method, or differences of scholarly opinion. She should have gone into a field such as Women's Studies where raw emotion and adherence to orthodoxy is your ticket to success instead of a field that requires critical thinking skills and tolerance for ambiguity and the unknown.

7 posted on 01/17/2005 5:17:10 PM PST by The Electrician
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I dont think its just math and science where women dont match up. Women and men are different and its their problem if they want to ignore it when its convenient for them.


8 posted on 01/17/2005 5:18:23 PM PST by CaptainAwesome2
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now imagine if there would be any outcry if his comments about how fewer men study english or psychology.


9 posted on 01/17/2005 5:18:38 PM PST by sassbox
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To: CDB

Wow, this guy has guts.

Perhaps he is related to William Wallace?

I should expect he will be drawn and quartered if he does not swear allegiance to political correctness.


10 posted on 01/17/2005 5:23:21 PM PST by demecleze
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This is a tough one. There may be some small difference in math aptitude between men and women, if there is, it's probably not so large that women can't succeed. I know a researcher who studies this issue and there was a much higher percentage of women in computer science a few decades ago, so I don't think you can just blame this on a gender gap. Don't recall if I ever got an explanation from the person about what account for the drop.


14 posted on 01/17/2005 5:41:19 PM PST by Ex-Dem (AFL-CIO - Where organized labor becomes organized crime.)
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War of the sexes --pinging to resident women FReepers. Bring your friends!!


16 posted on 01/17/2005 5:51:17 PM PST by CedarDave (This tagline space for rent)
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Nancy Hopkins is making a career out of this. Here's a critique of her complaints against MIT from 1999. (Scroll down to see data on the distribution of math talent, males vs. females.):


http://www.uaf.edu/northern/mitstudy/


17 posted on 01/17/2005 5:51:33 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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"The remarks prompted Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Nancy Hopkins -- a Harvard graduate -- to walk out on Summers' talk, The Boston Globe reported."

I wonder how Miss Hopkins would have reacted had Summers remarked that females are innately better at some things than males. Or would she have insisted that anything a female can do could be done equally well by a male?

18 posted on 01/17/2005 5:54:47 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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"He [Summers] also cited as an example one of his daughters, who as a child was given two trucks in an effort at gender-neutral upbringing. Yet he said she named them ``daddy truck'' and ``baby truck,'' as if they were dolls. It was during such comments that Hopkins got up and left.

Would Hopkins have left if Jane Goodall or Dian Fossey were reporting similar gender-specific behavior in chimps or gorillas?

Apparantly, Summers' own observations are not to be believed because...I'm guessing here...he's a guy?

24 posted on 01/17/2005 6:17:50 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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Ping:-)

Lawrence best stick to it, or else Nancy will chew his you know what up and spit them out and then poor Lawrence will be absolutely powerless. (smile)

33 posted on 01/17/2005 6:39:11 PM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: CDB

You try to tell it like is and watch the "offended types" come down on you like a ton of bricks. Telling the truth in public is an unforgivable offense.


35 posted on 01/17/2005 6:44:54 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I know a woman who was told she could not take computer science in high school because the classes were, naturally, for "the boys". Nevertheless, she later became the lead inventor on a utility patent in an artificial intelligence software application. Leads to two questions:

1) How much more could she have done if given challenging training? and
2) Does schooling matter with regard to an individual's drive to accomplishment?

49 posted on 01/17/2005 7:16:07 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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The reason why some are so sensitive is that Biological Determinism has been used so often in the past to prevent and preclude individuals from pursuit of their aspirations.

It would be the same sensitivity to pointing out that men go to prison in higher proportion to women. This is a true statement, but it can be used inappropriately stereotype all males ... rather than to promote that each individual as unique potential


54 posted on 01/18/2005 10:07:40 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: CDB

Truth Offends Feminists. Details at 11:00. ;)


55 posted on 01/18/2005 10:09:25 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: CDB
viva la difference!

57 posted on 01/18/2005 1:27:37 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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innate differences between the sexes could help explain why fewer women succeed in science and math careers

What is wrong with this statement???

76 posted on 01/18/2005 2:38:39 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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