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Elian (Gonzalez) Assault Trial Set for Monday
NewsMax ^ | 1/22/05 | AP

Posted on 01/22/2005 1:21:27 PM PST by wagglebee

MIAMI (AP) _ A federal judge has set a Monday trial date for the claims of a dozen people who said they were wrongly assaulted by federal officers during the raid that removed Elian Gonzalez from his family's home.

The plaintiffs say they were innocent bystanders who were gassed and beaten outside the home during the early morning raid on April 22, 2000.

U.S. District Judge Michael Moore set the trial date Friday.

"I think the public's going to be surprised that elderly people were gassed while praying the rosary," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, which represents 11 of the plaintiffs.

The federal government's attorney did not return a message seeking comment Friday.

Elian was one of three survivors of a November 1999 shipwreck that killed his mother and others fleeing Cuba. He was turned over to his Miami relatives while his custody situation was resolved.

The raid took place after government officials said the family refused to return the boy so he could be taken back to his father in Cuba.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Cuba; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: butchreno; castro; clinton; communism; cubalibre; eliangonzalez; gilligandalrymple; jackbootedthugs; janetreno; judicialwatch; turass
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1 posted on 01/22/2005 1:21:28 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Are clinton and Janet Reno named in the suit?


2 posted on 01/22/2005 1:24:40 PM PST by cloud8
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To: wagglebee

the judge is Michael Moore? I think I'd change my name. So seriously, why is this happening so many years later and what could the outcome be? Is it for $$ or what?


3 posted on 01/22/2005 1:25:18 PM PST by queenkathy (Had a BALL meeting as many of you as I could.)
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To: cloud8

I hope so, they damn sure should be!


4 posted on 01/22/2005 1:25:34 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

That's a photo that is SEARED into my memory.

Klinton and Kreno at work.


5 posted on 01/22/2005 1:26:11 PM PST by gortklattu (As the preacher in Blazing Saddles said "You're on your own.")
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To: gortklattu

Same here. Sure didn't help Gore in the 2000 election either.


6 posted on 01/22/2005 1:27:06 PM PST by queenkathy (Had a BALL meeting as many of you as I could.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Ping re: the excesses of Clinton/Reno.


7 posted on 01/22/2005 1:27:21 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: wagglebee

Thank g-d, they weren't given the WACO treatment.


8 posted on 01/22/2005 1:29:48 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: queenkathy
It's for justice, which is often delayed.

I pray justice is not denied in this instance.

9 posted on 01/22/2005 1:30:31 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: wagglebee

The family still had litigation before the court on this matter, when federal agents stormed the family residence.

Due process is either a reasoned concept or it isn't. Evidently the Clinton administration deemed that it wasn't.

A final decision from the highest court in the land should have been handed down, BEFORE federal agents were turned lose on Elian's relatives. Even then, the family should have been given the opportunity to hand Elian over in an orderly manor, after all appeals had been reviewed and denied.

There are valid claims by both sides regarding who should have been given final custody of Elian. The courts and not the Clinton administration should have had the final say on the matter.


10 posted on 01/22/2005 1:32:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I remember at that time a Senator urged the family to go to a church and stay there. That the government could not come in there. But they trusted their legal reps. Legal reps who were working both sides of the story. What was his name who was clintons lawyer and took their case on?


11 posted on 01/22/2005 1:34:19 PM PST by queenkathy (Had a BALL meeting as many of you as I could.)
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To: wagglebee

Is there any information or news about how Elian Gonzales is doing in Cuba today; is he with his father?


12 posted on 01/22/2005 1:34:42 PM PST by dr huer
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To: OldFriend

Or the Sammie and Vickey Weaver treatment


13 posted on 01/22/2005 1:35:12 PM PST by joesnuffy (If America isn't a Christian nation than from where do we get our God given rights?)
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To: dr huer

I haven't heard any, and any news out of Cuba would hardly be reliable.


14 posted on 01/22/2005 1:35:53 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

Amazing that it has taken this long to actually come to trial.


15 posted on 01/22/2005 1:36:09 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: wagglebee

Justice delayed is justice denied.


16 posted on 01/22/2005 1:38:29 PM PST by snopercod ( The broadcast networks are at war with the Bush administration. - powerlineblog.com)
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To: dr huer

He's a Castro Zombie...he's been fully indoctrinated....with drugs to help the indoctrination. He hasn't lived with his father for years.


17 posted on 01/22/2005 1:40:55 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: wagglebee

Greg Craig is a mango tree lawyer. He was Reno's pimp.


18 posted on 01/22/2005 1:42:15 PM PST by Gatϊn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: queenkathy

"Sure didn't help Gore in the 2000 election either."

I hope the thugs involved are held personally culpable. This was worse than Abu Ghraib.

Nevertheless, we should be grateful because Gore/Clinton/Reno's fascist response gave Florida to GW, and us, and the nation, and gave GW to the world.

Eight years of George Bush is "Elian's revenge."


19 posted on 01/22/2005 1:42:35 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: joesnuffy

I have no doubt Reno would have resorted to shooting anyone who was not incapacitated by the sudden attack of tear gas and overwhelming force.


20 posted on 01/22/2005 1:43:44 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: queenkathy
It's all [here] thanks to Alamo_Girl.
21 posted on 01/22/2005 1:44:44 PM PST by snopercod ( The broadcast networks are at war with the Bush administration. - powerlineblog.com)
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To: wagglebee

I had not realized that this STILL had not taken place. The wheels of justice seem to be grinding exceedingly slow in this matter.


22 posted on 01/22/2005 1:44:52 PM PST by Peach (The grill on the hill. The Democrats are toast.)
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To: cloud8

Hard to believe this was nearly FIVE years ago, and remember how much it inflamed us then, as just the latest
bull-in-the-china-shop posturing by Clinton and his ballerina-like AG, the Lumbering Behemoth, Janet the Reno.


23 posted on 01/22/2005 1:45:10 PM PST by willyboyishere
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To: queenkathy; snopercod

I couldn't remember which Clinton goon got involved.

Snopercod did provide a link to the information though.

http://alamo-girl.com/03605.htm


24 posted on 01/22/2005 1:46:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: snopercod

Thanks.


25 posted on 01/22/2005 1:47:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: BenLurkin
Thanks!

I read an Elien update in People magazine. Fidel Castro parades little Elien around as his little victory trophy child Elien's father has a comfortable government job and Fidel attends all of Elien's birthday parties.
26 posted on 01/22/2005 1:50:47 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: dr huer


see my prior post


27 posted on 01/22/2005 1:51:27 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: willyboyishere


I think that history will regard Presiden Clinton as one of the worst men who ever held power.


28 posted on 01/22/2005 1:55:37 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: queenkathy

Hi Queen Kathy,
Hope you had a nice time at the Inauguration and the FR ball. WE sure did. Sorry we missed you.

I'm with you, I believe little Elian had a profound effect on the 2000 election.

Thank you Elian and I hope you are able to return one day.


29 posted on 01/22/2005 2:00:59 PM PST by tirednvirginia (But things are looking up!)
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To: DoughtyOne; Alamo-Girl

Don't thank me, thank Alamo_Girl.


30 posted on 01/22/2005 2:07:29 PM PST by snopercod ( The broadcast networks are at war with the Bush administration. - powerlineblog.com)
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To: tirednvirginia

I did ask everyones name. I missed so many.


31 posted on 01/22/2005 2:10:01 PM PST by queenkathy (Had a BALL meeting as many of you as I could.)
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To: snopercod

I do appreciate her work, but it would be for naught if folks like you didn't utilize it as you did. You deserve your own thanks. Thanks.

D1


32 posted on 01/22/2005 2:17:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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An illegal alien gets deported.
Does everyone think washing up on the shore is a legitimate means of immigration?

Or did you just love him 'cause he was cute?

33 posted on 01/22/2005 2:22:29 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: DoughtyOne

OK, I'll take a teeny-tiny nano-slice of the credit, as long as Sandi gets the major recognition for what she has created and kept alive all these years.


34 posted on 01/22/2005 2:28:56 PM PST by snopercod ( The broadcast networks are at war with the Bush administration. - powerlineblog.com)
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To: snopercod

Agreed. She has and still does provide an excellent service to the forum.


35 posted on 01/22/2005 2:37:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: humblegunner
First, how many "illegal aliens" do you know who had such a FAST turnaround time (without a full hearing) once they got ashore?

Two: Forget his Mom died trying to get him here, his "father" was not her husband either when she had Elian, or when she left Cuba?

Three: Must have been one hell of a threat to national security to require a SWAT team wannabes from INS to snatch a screaming seven year old from his American blood relatives.
36 posted on 01/22/2005 4:12:14 PM PST by PzLdr
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To: PzLdr
How many illegal aliens have lawyered up within 2 days of arriving here?

Puzzles me that many people who think that Elian didn't have 'enough' due process (he did) kick and scream about the due process of appeals in DP cases....

First, how many "illegal aliens" do you know who had such a FAST turnaround time (without a full hearing) once they got ashore?

37 posted on 01/22/2005 4:20:32 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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To: wagglebee

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more...

http://www.ImpeachReno.org


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38 posted on 01/22/2005 4:23:13 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: gortklattu

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DONATO & ALOHA RONNIE -

June 9, 2000

http://www.ImpeachReno.org/images/donatandaloharonnie.jpg
(Photo)

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39 posted on 01/22/2005 4:28:04 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: PzLdr
One at a time.

First, how many "illegal aliens" do you know who had such a FAST turnaround time (without a full hearing) once they got ashore?

No immigration office is located "on the shore". Illegal.

Forget his Mom died trying to get him here, his "father" was not her husband either when she had Elian, or when she left Cuba?

An illegal alien's parentage or lack thereof is of no concern to the law or to me.

Must have been one hell of a threat to national security to require a SWAT team wannabes from INS to snatch a screaming seven year old from his American blood relatives.

The reasoning matters not other than a good example of what illegals should expect.

If you imagine klinton had any clue about the entire incident then I pity you.
He did not have the ability to control such things, nor was he interested.

You just favor illegal Elian because he was cute and he was a
good example of klinton's mismanagement of his staff.

Multiply him by ten thousand, jam them into your community and get back to me.

40 posted on 01/22/2005 4:32:24 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: Ready4Freddy

The "lawyering up" did him a lot of good, didn't it? Since I've never heard ANY claim that the folks in that house were armed, would you care to explain the excessive use of force in getting him out? Puzzles me how many people don't seem to care what was done that night. And as I recollect, the appeals process was short circuited by the snatch and grab.


41 posted on 01/22/2005 4:33:16 PM PST by PzLdr
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To: queenkathy

This incident put President Bush in the White House.


42 posted on 01/22/2005 4:34:26 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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To: wagglebee

the wheels grind slowly, but they do grind.


43 posted on 01/22/2005 4:37:10 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: humblegunner
I was living in Miami when this happened. Never before have I seen such an arrogant display of gestapo tactics as that put on by the authorities in the Gonzalez case.

Stop putting refugees from Communism in the same category with illegal Mexicans. Cubans have a large social support network, so little Elian wouldn't have been a drain on the system as you suspect.

Besides, if it weren't for Jackboot Janet's fascistic treatment of the Gonzalez family, we wouldn't have won Florida in 2000.

44 posted on 01/22/2005 4:38:03 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: gortklattu

And I know someone who says he misses how peaceful it was during the Clinton years ....


45 posted on 01/22/2005 4:39:49 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Clemenza
Cubans have a large social support network, so little Elian wouldn't have been a drain on the system as you suspect.

And what of the "large social support network"?
Do they have jobs or are they just Cuban?

A support network must needs be durable beyond welfare and WIC.

46 posted on 01/22/2005 4:44:44 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: PzLdr
I recall reports of several of the Little Havana crowd (including the great uncle, he who had been in the US for ~15 years and still spoke no English) claiming or suggesting that they had weapons in the house or nearby. I think the great uncle's bravado, playing to the crowd, led Justice to believe that a quick & powerful operation was in order.

The Little Havana Gonzalezes were in direct violation of a lawful order from the DOJ. No US Court ever decided that it was appropriate for the Court to intevene in an area of obvious Executive purview.

47 posted on 01/22/2005 4:46:19 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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To: humblegunner

Cubans dominate the business community in Miami-Dade County. Remember that the largest wave of Cuban immigrants who came to this country in the 1960s-1970s were from the upper and middle classes. A large business community, combined with substantial social support networks (mutual aid societies), have made other ethnic groups (blacks) jealous of Cubans relative success.


48 posted on 01/22/2005 4:46:40 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: wagglebee

It is ABOUT TIME!!


49 posted on 01/22/2005 4:46:53 PM PST by Politicalmom ( Since Bush was selected in 2000, shouldn't he be able to run again in 2008?)
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To: queenkathy
the judge is Michael Moore? I think I'd change my name. So seriously, why is this happening so many years later and what could the outcome be? Is it for $$ or what?

Well they cannot be prosecuted for criminal charges but civil suit is likely. I hope they win big. What happened was COMPLETELY wrong.

50 posted on 01/22/2005 4:48:58 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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