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Islamic cleric urges all Muslims to reject terrorism(One of the most influential clerics speaks out)
Inquirer ^ | 2005-01-23 | Allan Nawal

Posted on 01/23/2005 11:29:17 AM PST by nickcarraway

MECCA, Saudi Arabia -- One of Saudi Arabia's most influential clerics urged Muslims to eschew terrorism, saying attacks on the innocent were not in accordance with the teachings of Islam.

"Islam is a religion of moderation. Extremism has no place in Islam," Sheikh Abdurahman Al-Sudais of the Masjid'l Haram (Grand Mosque) said in a sermon delivered for Friday's Eid'l Adha (feast of sacrifice).

He called on followers of Islam to exert all efforts to protect non-Muslims.

Hundreds of thousands of people, from among some 2.5 million Muslims performing the haj pilgrimage in the kingdom, attended the Eid'l Adha prayers.

Al-Sudais' call came in the wake of stepped up attacks by militant Muslims in troubled areas of the Middle East. Some of the attacks have occurred in Saudi Arabia, blamed on militants linked to the al-Qaeda network, which had declared the pro-US Saudi rulers apostates.

In the latest incident in Iraq, a suicide car bomb exploded at a Shi'ite wedding party in a town south of Baghdad late on Friday, killing at least 11 people and wounding 27, doctors said.

There has been a surge in attacks on Shi'ites as Iraq's January elections approach. Earlier on Friday, a suicide car bomber killed 14 Shi'ite worshippers as they left a Baghdad mosque.

Al-Sudais said Muslim scholars should help preach the real Islam to counter what he said was a distorted interpretation of the religion by some people.

"Islam is a religion of peace but some people are using misguided interpretations of Islam to justify (attacks on perceived enemies)," Al-Sudais said.

He said scholars might have to take some of the blame for the "little success" of distorted ideas because they had done little to counter their spread.

"We are now suffering from this dangerous phenomenon. This phenomenon has become widespread that Muslim scholars must hold on to the real Islam," Al-Sudais said.

'Repulsive hearsays'

Earlier, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia urged scholars to use all available materials to teach the correct form of Islam.

Sheik Abdul Aziz Al-Asheik told participants at an international inter-culture conference, which was hosted by the World Muslim League (WML), that Muslims would not have difficulty in establishing dialogues with other sectors because materials on Islam were widely available.

"Many non-Muslims know very little or nothing about Islam and depend on hearsays, which are repulsive and distorted," Al-Asheikh said.

He said people who hated Islam were claiming that the religion encouraged terrorism and extremism, and appeared to be winning in some aspects because some people were starting to think that what they were being told about Islam was the truth.

Exposing Islam's enemies

"It is only through constructive dialogue, led by people who understand Islam and its teachings, that the enemies of Islam could be exposed and their lies refuted," Al-Asheik said.

Al-Sudais said the branding of followers of other faiths as infidels and attempts to incite Muslims to rise against their leaders had caused instability not only in the region but in other areas of the globe, as well.

"Theirs is a delinquent and void interpretation of Islam based on ignorance," he said.

Islam does not mean killing non-Muslims, Al-Sudais said.

"It does not mean shedding blood and terrorism, such as killing people (by planting bombs) to send their body parts flying."

Bombings in Riyadh

Saudi Arabia has not been spared from terror attacks.

Bombings have scarred Riyadh, the country's capital, and militants identified with the al-Qaeda network have attacked facilities manned by foreigners.

In the wake of the violence, Saudi security forces have launched a manhunt for Saudi dissident Saad Al-Faqeeh, allegedly a ranking lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden.


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1 posted on 01/23/2005 11:29:17 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I'll believe it when the terror actually stops.


2 posted on 01/23/2005 11:30:17 AM PST by indcons (The Quran - the world's first WMD)
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To: nickcarraway
Yeah? But did he say it in Arabic or is this just another example of the old Arabic ploy that Arafat used--say what you want the West to hear in English and then tell the street in Arabic to slit the throats of all Christians and Jews.
4 posted on 01/23/2005 11:32:44 AM PST by Cornpone
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To: nickcarraway
"Islam is a religion of moderation. Extremism has no place in Islam,"

He must have heard that Johnny Carson died and is auditioning for a late night gig. His material is funny but still needs some work. The punch lines lack zip.
5 posted on 01/23/2005 11:32:48 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
His material is funny but still needs some work. The punch lines lack zip.
LOL :)
6 posted on 01/23/2005 11:34:25 AM PST by indcons (The Quran - the world's first WMD)
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To: nickcarraway

We will see just how "influential" he is.


7 posted on 01/23/2005 11:35:08 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: nickcarraway

It's nice to read about a Muslim leader who speaks ill of terrorism. I wish there were more like him.


8 posted on 01/23/2005 11:35:44 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: nickcarraway

If you don't back the Muslims who speak out for moderation, you're not going to get any moderation.


9 posted on 01/23/2005 11:36:11 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: nickcarraway

This isn't possible. We have hundreds of posters here who complain that no muslim will ever speak out against terrorism.


10 posted on 01/23/2005 11:36:53 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: nickcarraway
Well, that's different news.

We can't be blamed for being skeptical, it HAS been an awful long wakeup call.

11 posted on 01/23/2005 11:39:56 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: nickcarraway
One of Saudi Arabia's most influential clerics urged Muslims to eschew terrorism

Every time they mention one of these clerics they say he is one of the most influential or powerful. Don't they have a ranking system of some kind so that they can control all the other fools running around issuing decrees of all sorts ?

12 posted on 01/23/2005 11:40:04 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election...........get over it)
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To: indcons; nickcarraway; A. Pole; Destro; broadsword; Cronos; MarMema; GarySpFc

Ahh, but the fundimental question is: how is terrorism defined. Most of these calls to stop terrorism are not to stop terrorism per say, but to stop terrorism against or within Muslim nations. You see, terrorism against infidels is not terrorism, that is Jihad.


13 posted on 01/23/2005 11:40:28 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: nickcarraway
"Islam is a religion of moderation. Extremism has no place in Islam,"

I guess he himself hasn't even read Islam's own "holy" texts, a bizarre "Alice in Wonderland" meets Freddy Kreuger world, where rocks and trees call out "Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him" (Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

14 posted on 01/23/2005 11:40:47 AM PST by montag813
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To: nickcarraway

Baby steps. Speaking out against terrorism is fine. This cleric may even be putting his life in danger for doing so from inside Saudi Arabia. Remember, that's where 13 of the 911 hijackers came from.


15 posted on 01/23/2005 11:41:01 AM PST by QwertyKPH
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To: nickcarraway
"Many non-Muslims know very little or nothing about Islam and depend on hearsays, which are repulsive and distorted," Al-Asheikh said.

He said people who hated Islam were claiming that the religion encouraged terrorism and extremism, and appeared to be winning in some aspects because some people were starting to think that what they were being told about Islam was the truth.

Exposing Islam's enemies

"It is only through constructive dialogue, led by people who understand Islam and its teachings, that the enemies of Islam could be exposed and their lies refuted," Al-Asheik said.

Muslims need to wake up to the reality that the chief "enemies of Islam" are the radical Islamonazis (who reportedly "aren't following true Islam").

Non-Buddhists Jews and Christians are "the chief enemies of Buddhism" nor are we the "chief enemies of Hinduism". Muslims would be the chief enemies of those faiths.

"Why's everybody always picking on me?" Charlie Brown as sung by the Coasters (songwriting team of Lieber and Stoller)

16 posted on 01/23/2005 11:41:39 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: 68skylark

For muslims, terrorism is only terrorism when it pertains towards muslims or muslim nations, not towards infidels, where it is holy Jihad.


17 posted on 01/23/2005 11:41:58 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Dog Gone

See my posts and ask for the immam there for clarification.


18 posted on 01/23/2005 11:42:27 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: montag813

Obviously a faulty translation. That should read "kill him with kindness". The full citation reads ""Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and smother him with kisses".


19 posted on 01/23/2005 11:43:18 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: oldbrowser
Every time they mention one of these clerics they say he is one of the most influential or powerful.

I'd be pretty surprised if they had rookie preachin in Mecca on a holy day.

20 posted on 01/23/2005 11:43:45 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: nickcarraway

Well .. I think it's a realization that the Bush Doctrine is not going away - and the Saudi's better get their act together. They have turned a blind eye and allowed their own citizens to be attacked.

THIS STATEMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2001.


21 posted on 01/23/2005 11:44:45 AM PST by The Final Harvest (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: nickcarraway

It's amazing what happens when the chickens come home to roost, isnt' it?

It would appear that the threat of terrorism is becoming "personal" for the House of Saud.


22 posted on 01/23/2005 11:44:51 AM PST by StoneGiant
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To: nickcarraway; Dog Gone
Key phrases:

Al-Sudais' call came in the wake of stepped up attacks by militant Muslims in troubled areas of the Middle East. Some of the attacks have occurred in Saudi Arabia, blamed on militants linked to the al-Qaeda network, which had declared the pro-US Saudi rulers apostates.

Did it arise after 911? No. After Madrid? No. After Belsan? No. Only in response to terror within the ME.

Al-Sudais said the branding of followers of other faiths as infidels and attempts to incite Muslims to rise against their leaders had caused instability not only in the region but in other areas of the globe, as well

Ahh a call to keep the dictators and absolutests and mullah in power in the ME. No call for peace in non-Islamic nations.

23 posted on 01/23/2005 11:45:33 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Dog Gone

yup......alot of intolerant people here who even hate other Republicans if they disagree one iota......any call for peace from Islam is what we have been asking for.....baby steps my friends, baby steps........


24 posted on 01/23/2005 11:45:44 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: weegee

;), nothing like a bear hug to make you convert. :0)


25 posted on 01/23/2005 11:46:39 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: popdonnelly

If you do back the Muslims who appear moderate, you get Arafat syndrome. They've got the deck stacked, because they don't consider us to be human beings, and anything goes when dealing with us.

He's lying through his teeth. Islam a religion of moderation? In what? Moderate beating of wives? Moderate in execution of rape victims? Moderately letting schoolgirls burn to death for fear their ankles would show? Moderately raising a generation of suicide bombers? At the very same event at which he is speaking, they're stoning Bush, Blair, and Sharon as the Devil!

You can find this very same speech from countless imams, Islam is peace, Islam is moderate, Islam does not encourage terror. But when that say that one day out of the year and the other 364 are about how you are commanded to kill the infidel in the name of jihad, it is not representative nor moderate to pick out the one thing he dissimulates for the infidel's consumption.

Until we see actions - removing imams who preach terror, for example, would be a good-faith start, or declare terrorists to be apostate and not merely misguided, and mobilize their followers to seek and punish them - then this is certain to be taqqiyah, the Islamic doctrine of lying to the enemy to gain advantage over him.


26 posted on 01/23/2005 11:47:37 AM PST by thoughtomator (Meet the new Abbas, same as the old Abbas)
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To: montag813

well now the Old Testament doesn't have outdated and some hateful speech......sure it does......we have all complained about Muslims not speaking out, and when they do we have to acknowledge it.....but we still need to hold them to the fire


27 posted on 01/23/2005 11:47:44 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub
any call for peace from Islam is what we have been asking for.....baby steps my friends, baby steps........

You had best review the 13 centuries of "baby steps" and where they have gotten us. The only peace that there ever was with Islam followed a major defeat of the Muslims. This went on for 12 centuries before the Wahhabies ever showed up.

28 posted on 01/23/2005 11:48:40 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6
Need to air a REAL "truth" ad campaign (not just the one directed at tobacco companies, BTW if they are so certain that tobacco is such a harmful product, tobacco firms so evil, and that consumers are so ignorant, why don't they push for the prohibition of tobacco?).

I wish to inquire as to what the arabic term for holy war is. In the media that I came across lately, Jihad was used as term of reference which I understand is incorrect.

Answer 11919: The Arabic equivalent for holy war is Jihaad.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

truth

29 posted on 01/23/2005 11:48:45 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: thoughtomator

Even the socialist People Liberation Army of Palistine has no problems cooperating with the radicals and using their tactics.


30 posted on 01/23/2005 11:49:51 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: NorCalRepub
Christians have a new covenant with God.

Jews don't seem to be professing "an eye for an eye".

There can be no reformation movement in Islam because that would be heresy; Mohammed was the LAST prophet. Slavery is still legal under Islam as it will always be.
31 posted on 01/23/2005 11:51:27 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: nickcarraway
Self-Preservtion, perhaps?

See http://www.altway.freeuk.com/Answers/175-ReLying.htm for additional B-S-ing.

quoted below:

Re- Lying



Critic:-

The expression "taquija" means to dissimulate and is used when serving the propagation of Islam or benefiting a Muslim compared to 'infidels'. Lying to 'infidels' is officially acknowledged in Islam and is religiously motivated. It is, therefore, advisable for non-Muslims not to believe what Muslims tell you.

Comment:-

This is typical case of misunderstanding or deliberate twisting by those who are hostile to Islam.

"Taqiyyah" is from the root "waqaa" (to safeguard). It means "self-protection". It is used to hide one's beliefs in order to avoid persecution or harm to oneself if no useful purpose could be served by publicly affirming them. It is based on the following verses of the Qur'an:-

"Verily, those who believe not in Allah's signs, Allah will not guide them, and for them is grievous woe. Only they are the inventors who believe not in Allah's signs; and these, they are the liars. Whoso disbelieves in Allah after having believed - UNLESS IT BE ONE WHO IS FORCED AND WHOSE HEART IS STILL CONTENT IN FAITH - but whoso expands his breast to (easing) misbelieve - on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs is a mighty doom. That is because they preferred the love of the life of this world to the Hereafter, and because Allah guides not unbelieving people. These are they on whose hearts, and hearing, and sight, Allah has sealed, and these, they are the heedless." 16:104-108

Lying, as the verse indicates, means inventing things when one does not believe in what is real (i.e. made by God). This could be consciously done or even sub-consciously. People do not only want to deceive others for various reasons, but also deceive themselves. They also make statements in order to try to convince themselves.

Taqiyyah has absolutely nothing to do with lying, fraud or making false statements or promises. It is the inner intention that determines right or wrong.

The word Taqiyyah might also be used to protect a doctrine from corruption by concealing from corrupters or by defending it by explaining it.

Muslims are sometimes accused of lying when they are presenting Islam in a manner that is acceptable to the listener. But this is a common educational strategy. It is not difficult to determine and understand that different people understand words differently. This causes them to misunderstand what a person is saying. This may lead to many futile arguments or to long discussions to clarify what is meant. The intelligent thing to do, therefore, is to learn about the culture of a people, their ideas and values and about how they use and understand language. Then to explain things accordingly rather than by a literal translation of the Quran which was primarily designed for another people in another age.

It is clear that those who try to propagate and explain Islam must be persons of intelligence and knowledge as well as of virtue who can demonstrate Islam in their lives. Others would do more harm than good. Those who genuinely wish to learn about Islam ought, therefore, to seek such persons.


Yeah, seek a Muslim who calls you an Infidel, ask a few questions of him, give him your address, open the door when he knocks, invite him in to talk "religion" and watch as he butchers your children, wife and you.
32 posted on 01/23/2005 11:52:20 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated ("I'm gagging. Excuse me if I toss my cookies.")
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To: jb6

They will know we are Christians by our love.


33 posted on 01/23/2005 11:52:54 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: jb6
well I guess according to you we should just nuke them and be done with the matter.....This is a different world and most people (not you I'm sure) have been wondering when clerics would speak out.....You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect it but the majority would rather they turned around....don't get me wrong, I blame them for all terrorism and most of what is wrong in the world but I will give credit even if for a moment if it can help. You talked about history, I guess you thought the crusades were OK when we tried to ram Christianity down their throats
34 posted on 01/23/2005 11:53:58 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: weegee

but I was referencing what you said about their text and that is all I was questioning.....i'm not an Arab apologist and blame them for all terror and most BS in the world but if even a bit of credit should be given even for a minute then I will be brave enough to give it........


35 posted on 01/23/2005 11:56:29 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: All
P.S.

ONE OTHER COMMENT: (Opinion?) Islam and Mohammad claims dogs are to be treated with the same contempt as pigs. Contempt. ANY Country who doesn't have pets -- dogs, cats, guinea pigs, rabbits, parakeets, canaries -- is a Country with a SERIOUS relational and psychological psychosis.

Something is not right when children are not allowed to have pets to learn what 'unconditional love' is.

Does Islam even know what UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is?
36 posted on 01/23/2005 11:58:44 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated ("For GOD so loved the world that He gave his Only Begotten Son . . . ." He loves Muslims, too.)
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To: nickcarraway

Muslim bashing is no diferent than the anti-Christian, anti- Semitism bullsh!^ going on around the world. Bashing is bashing and It is despicable, especially when I see it here on FR. People doing it have more in common with the Dummies and personally I would love to see them make that pilgrimage


37 posted on 01/23/2005 12:01:13 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: HighlyOpinionated

As I understand it they think cats are OK, it is dogs they do not like.


38 posted on 01/23/2005 12:01:46 PM PST by e5man_r_u? (A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
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To: nickcarraway
Islam does not mean killing non-Muslims, Al-Sudais said.

"It does not mean shedding blood and terrorism, such as killing people (by planting bombs) to send their body parts flying."

I think the Cleric's a little too late in speaking out. He should have done it after the FIRST terrorist attack was committed by Muslims. I guess he hasn't read the verses in the Koran that COMMAND ALL Muslims to KILL INFIDELS.

Unfortunately the son's of Satan have spread out around the world to do their evil deeds. NOTHING but nukes will ever change the ME. NOTHING will save the US from them. We can only retaliate against them AFTER they have murdered Americans. The IDEAL thing would be to deport ALL Muslims from America, unless they renounce Islam. I will NEVER trust one again.

39 posted on 01/23/2005 12:02:12 PM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN!)
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To: NorCalRepub
No, nuking them is not Christian, converting them to God's Love is. But that does not mean we need to be stupid and think they'll live in harmony with us as Muslims. That's being a fool. War with Islam is a 1300 year long historic FACT.

The Crusades grew out of the direct actions of Jihad against the Middle Eastern Christian communities and nations. Also against Islamic actions in butchering pilgrims heading to the Holy Land. Sorry, but Western Christians didn't just get up and deside to go Crusading. The Islamics by that point already had 300 years of Jihad, or how do you think Domescus and Alexandria became Muslim?

40 posted on 01/23/2005 12:03:01 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: NorCalRepub

You wrote: You talked about history, I guess you thought the crusades were OK when we tried to ram Christianity down their throats.


I think that the Crusades were a RESULT of the Moors and other Muslims scimitar-slicing up Christians. Which came first? The Scimitar or the Crusade?

Scimitar first, Crusade as reaction.


41 posted on 01/23/2005 12:03:12 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated ("GOD would have ALL MUSLIMS come to the knowledge of The Truth.")
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To: popdonnelly
Here's another recent quote from this "moderate":

from MEMRI (it's in English)

 As the Imam of the Al-Harram mosque in Mecca, Sheikh Abd 
Al-Rahman Al-Sudais explained in one of his sermons: 
"Brothers in faith, what do our Koran and our Sunna say? 
What does our belief say? What does our history prove…? 
They show clearly that the conflict between us and the 
Jews is one of belief, identity, and existence…"

"Read history and you will understand that the Jews of 
yesterday are the evil forefathers of the even more evil 
Jews of today: infidels, falsifiers of words, calf 
worshippers, prophet murderers, deniers of prophecies… 
the scum of the human race, accursed by Allah, who turned 
them into apes and pigs… These are the Jews - an ongoing 
continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and 
corruption…"

"Oh nation of Islam, today our nation is at the height of 
conflict with the enemies of yesterday, today, and tomorrow 
- the offspring of [the three Jewish tribes of Al-Madina] 
Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadhir, and Banu Qaynuqa, upon whom 
Allah's curse rests until Judgment Day. Do the sons of 
our people realize the truth about the nation of wrath 
and deceit…? The insult to and contempt of Arabs, Muslims, 
and their holy places reaches its height at the hands of 
the rats of the world, the violators of agreements, in 
whose minds abide treachery, destruction, and deceit and in 
whose veins flow occupation and tyranny… They are indeed 
worthy of the curse of Allah, of the angels, and of all 
people…" [23] 
Wake up and learn what we're dealing with.
42 posted on 01/23/2005 12:03:20 PM PST by thoughtomator (Meet the new Abbas, same as the old Abbas)
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To: nickcarraway

I am assuming that Sheikh Abdur-Rahman al-Sudays, Imam of the Ka'ba who is in London today to preach at the East London Mosque is the same person as Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, Imam of the Al-Haraam mosque in Mecca who has delivered himself of the following gems:

In one of his sermons ... Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis... beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."

"Read history," called Al-Sudayyis in another sermon, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers... the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs...' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR01102


http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR01102


43 posted on 01/23/2005 12:03:47 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: nickcarraway

May 13, 2004, 8:46 a.m.
Kingdom Comes to North America
Top Saudi cleric to visit Canada.

By Steven Stalinsky

Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, the Saudi government appointed imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, will give a series of lectures in Canada next week and attend the Islamic Society of North America conference in Toronto. Al-Sudayyis's position is one of the most prestigious in Sunni Islam. Thus, his sermons hold significant weight throughout the Islamic world.

The themes of his sermons are characterized by confrontation toward non-Muslims. Al-Sudayyis calls Jews "scum of the earth" and "monkeys and pigs" who should be "annihilated." Other enemies of Islam, he says, are "worshippers of the cross" and "idol-worshipping Hindus" who should be fought. Al-Sudayyis has been consistent in calling for jihad in Kashmir and Chechnya, for Jerusalem to be liberated, and for the "occupiers in Iraq" to also be fought. He often claims that Islam is superior to Western culture.

At the Grand Mosque in Mecca on February 1, 2004, Sheikh Al-Sudayyis called on Muslims everywhere to unite to defeat the world's occupiers and oppressors. "History has never known a cause in which our religious principles, historical rights, and past glories are so clearly challenged.... The conflict between us and the Jews is one of creed, identity, and existence." He told those listening to "read history," in order "to know that yesterday's Jews were bad predecessors and today's Jews are worse successors. They are killers of prophets and the scum of the earth. Allah hurled his curses and indignation on them and made them monkeys and pigs and worshippers of tyrants. These are the Jews, a continuous lineage of meanness, cunning, obstinacy, tyranny, evil, and corruption...."

Al-Sudayyis elaborated on the conflict between Muslims and Jews:

O Muslims, the Islamic nation today is at the peak of conflict with the enemies of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, with the grandsons of Bani-Quraydah, Al-Nadhir, and Qaynuqa [Jewish tribes in the early days of Islam]. May Allah's curses follow them until the Day of Judgment.

The nation must know that these are people with a disgraceful history and.... They want to establish the Greater Israel with Jerusalem as its capital. They also aspire to demolish the Al-Aqsa Mosque and build their alleged temple in its place. They want to liquidate the State of Islam and the Koran, and build the State of the Torah and Talmud on its debris. They will get what they deserve from Allah.... Our Al-Aqsa is crying out saying all mosques have been liberated, while I — a great holy mosque — am still being desecrated. Is the aspiration of over 1 billion Muslims to preserve their holy places [to be] considered savagery and terrorism? What a great lie, O Allah, O steadfast brothers in struggler and steadfast Palestine, the land of honor, loftiness, sacrifice, jihad, and bravery. The captivity of our Al-Aqsa in the hands of the tyrants makes us sleepless. May Allah please us with its liberation. Victory is coming soon, Allah willing.

....Here are the flags of victory looming on the horizon. We can smell it. It is crowned by a brave jihad, an intifada, which is still the winning card and the lit candle in the hands of the devout sons of this nation.... O nation of jihad and sacrifice, it is the duty of Muslims to support their brothers in creed in Palestine and elsewhere and to back them with material and moral support. Jihad with money sometimes supersedes jihad with soul, as mentioned in many Koranic verses and the prophet's traditions.

In a sermon on April 23, 2004, regarding Iraq, Al-Sudayyis stated that "our Muslim brothers in the Iraq of history and civilization are facing another bloody chapter, particularly in the brave, steadfast city of Al-Fallujah." He called on Muslims everywhere to unite "to defeat all their occupiers and oppressors" for the destruction of the enemies of Islam, to support "our mujahedeen brothers in Palestine," and to disperse "the unjust Zionists."

Discussing plots by enemies of Islam, who he identifies as Hindus, Jews, and Christians, Al-Sudayyis delivered a sermon on May 31, 2002, which stated:

Those whom Allah cursed, got angry with, and turned into monkeys and pigs, the tyrant worshippers among the Jewish aggressors and criminal Zionists. Their course is supported by the advocates of usury and worshippers of the Cross, as well as by those who are infatuated with them and influenced by their rotten ideas and poisonous culture among the advocates of secularism and Westernization.... The enemies of Muslims among the atheists insist on their arrogance and aggression against our people and our holy places in Chechnya? The idol-worshipping Hindus indulge in their open hatred against our brothers and holy places...in Muslim Kashmir, threatening an imminent danger and a fierce war in the whole Indian sub-continent?... O Allah, support our brother Mujahedeen for your sake and the oppressed everywhere. O Allah, support them in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya. O Allah, we ask you to support our Palestinian brothers in Palestine against the aggressor Jews and usurper Zionists. O Allah, the Jews have oppressed, terrorized, and indulged in tyranny and corruption. O Allah, deal with them for they are within your power.

According to Sheikh Al-Sudayyis, Islam is superior to Western culture. He told worshipers in Mecca in February 2002: "The most noble civilization ever known to mankind is our Islamic civilization. Today, Western civilization is nothing more than the product of its encounter with our Islamic civilization in Andalusia [medieval Spain]. The reason for [Western civilization's] bankruptcy is its reliance on the materialistic approach, and its detachment from religion and values. [This approach] has been one reason for the misery of the human race, for the proliferation of suicide, mental problems...and for moral perversion.... Only one nation is capable of resuscitating global civilization, and that is the nation [of Islam].... While the false cultures sink in the swamp of materialism and suffer moral crises...our Islamic nation is the one worthy of grasping the reins of leadership and riding on the back of the horse of pioneering and world sovereignty."

"Read history," Al-Sudayyis stated in another sermon in May 2002, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers ... the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs....' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption...."

The concluding supplications of Al-Sudayyis sermons are often filled with statements concerning current affairs. He consistently calls for "Muslims to humiliate the infidels (non-Muslims)," as well as for their destruction. For example, on November 1, 2002, he stated "O Allah, support our mujahedeen bothers in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya and destroy the aggressor Jews and the tyrannical Zionists, for they are within your power." In a June 21, 2002, sermon, Al-Sudayyis gives supplication: "O Allah, support them in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya. O Allah, deal with the Jews and Zionists for they are within Your power. O Allah, scatter their assemblies, make them a lesson for others, and let them and their property be a booty for Muslims."

In another sermon in May 2003, Sheikh Al-Sudayyis condemned what he termed the "serpents" to "spit their venom" by harming the Islamic religion, ridiculing the pious, and blaming the school curricula and religious and welfare institutions. Al-Sudayyis stated: "O Lord, support our brother mujahedeen for your sake everywhere. O Lord, support them in Palestine. O Lord, deal with the aggressor Jews and sinful Zionists. O Lord, deal with them for they are within Your power. O Lord, deal with the enemies of religion and show us the miracles of Your power on them." Also, on July 11, 2003, he stated: "O Allah, support our mujahedeen brothers everywhere. O Allah, help them score victory over the unjust Jews and aggressive Zionists in Palestine. O Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. O Allah, destroy them, for they are within your power. O Allah, disperse them and make them prey for Muslims."

According to statements beginning in June 2003 made by Washington D.C. Saudi-embassy spokesman Adel Al-Jubeir, "Hundreds of imams [in Saudi Arabia] who violated prohibitions against preaching intolerance have been removed from their positions and more than 1,000 have been suspended and referred to educational programs." Clearly, this is not the case with Saudi Arabia's leading imam, Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, who continues to preach incitement from the most holy site in all of Islam.

— Steven Stalinsky is executive director of the Middle East Media Research Institute.




44 posted on 01/23/2005 12:06:24 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: jb6

well I know and they have been waring amongst themselves for centuries and they are all essentially cousins....I'm not debating any of that..you move away from the post. All I said is that if one cleric, just one, speaks out against terrorism than that is a good thing regardless how long it lasts......everything else is for other posts or other discussions


45 posted on 01/23/2005 12:06:41 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: nickcarraway

This guy just signed his own death warrant:

..."..."Islam is a religion of moderation. Extremism has no place in Islam," Sheikh Abdurahman Al-Sudais ..."...

His happy execution will probably happen shortly from the true believers of Islam. I would love to believe what he says, though. I would love even more to hear support of it by his fellow Muslims. But I'm sure more silence will follow.


46 posted on 01/23/2005 12:06:54 PM PST by jolie560
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To: thoughtomator

Nice find. Only reinforces my notion of Islam and their lieing ways. Stalin called those who inadvertantly worked to strengthen Communism as Useful Idiot. What do you call those who so want to believe that we can "negotiate" with these murders for peace in our life time that they give them rope to hand us with?


47 posted on 01/23/2005 12:07:30 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: NorCalRepub

Read what that one cleric also says, in Arabic. Several posters already posted his other speeches.


48 posted on 01/23/2005 12:08:36 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: nickcarraway
One of Saudi Arabia's most influential clerics urged Muslims to eschew terrorism, saying attacks on the innocent were not in accordance with the teachings of Islam.

Circle the calendar.

49 posted on 01/23/2005 12:08:44 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: NorCalRepub

When the muslims conquored Spain, was it an acceptable decision to fight the Crusades? Seeing as how muslims had established a Western capital through violent campaign?

Slaves can be owned up as long as they are seized in jihad and divided up in an "Islamic territory".

Islam is a political system as well as a religion. Sharia Law is the law of some muslim nations. Sharia law defines 3 classes of individual (muslims, Jews/Christians- people of 'the book', and "everybody else"- infidels) who have varying levels of protection under the law.

I will give him some pause for speaking out (albeit slowly). If he is so influential and had been speaking out earlier, we should have already heard this many times.

I will not knock Jews and Christians for Old Testament passages (and as I said, we have a new covenant with God).


50 posted on 01/23/2005 12:09:49 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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