The Search for Moderate Islam: Part I

Frontpagemag.com ^ | January 28, 2005 | Lawrence Auster

[sheik yerbouty]

Silent as in Trojan Horse..

[broadsword]

The difference between moderate Islam and bigfoot is that bigfoot has reportedly been spotted.

[broadsword]

Islam desperately needs a Reformation

OK. Now how would you, as a Muslim, reform the religion that calls for an immediate death sentence for all who would try to reform or even question the "holy" Koran or the "prophet" Mohamed? The Koran, the Hadith and Shariah law are bursting with calls for ruthless slaughter, oppression, world takeover, misogyny, slavery, beheadings terror attacks, etcetera. To whom would you go to "reform" this bloodthirsty madness?

Good luck on your hopeless "reformation".

Islam has one thing to say to you, "Shut up and be assimilated, or DIE!

[broadsword]

The bottom line is this:

I would NOT profess a religion that demanded worldwide conquest, the brutal subjugation of women and the slaughter of every human being that will not be assimilated... AND I CANNOT TRUST OR RESPECT ANYONE WHO PROFESSES SUCH AN EVIL RELIGION... even if they promise to be nice, for now.

[kipita]

As a non-Muslim and non-religious person, I'd first start with saying that Mohammed married a much older woman whom he cherished and valued in his life. So, respect and value women in society. Based on global trends, your people will live very well and prosper

[broadsword]

LOL! He married a very rich widow and had many wives, many of whom hated him, but they had no choice in the matter because he treated them like dirt. And his last wife was only six years old when he took her. What a filthy pig!

"Your woman is your dirt, cultivate her." --The "holy" Koran.

[Gunrunner2]

Indeed.

[FITZ]

His favorite wife was the 6 year old girl.

[FITZ]

The problem is --- some Muslims would live peacefully --- but they aren't following Mohammads commands or carefully reading the Koran --- the Koran would have to be heavily edited to make Islam moderate. It needs to say "all people don't have to be forced into submission", "muslims who leave their faith and convert to another religion don't have to be put to death", "Jews and Christians can live" and on and on.

[kipita]

Well, his first wife "groomed" him and he never loved another afterwards. I'm a simple man but am of the belief that woman are more complex and intellectual than most men want to admit.

[broadsword]

Well, his first wife "groomed" him and he never loved another afterwards.

Then why would he take all those wives if he "never loved another afterward". Islam holds that Mad Mo's favorite wife was the little six year old child he mollested.

GAG! Just think about that! It's F'ing sicker than shiite!

[Dark Skies]

the Koran would have to be heavily edited to make Islam moderate.

Fitz, you are correct.

You were responding to a comment of mine to another FRiend with whom I have had and continue to have a rather elaborate but great discussion. I agree with you in that defanging Islam would be like making a household pet of a lion or turning a Nazi into a member of a local civics club...you never know when the call of the wild is going to occur.

DS

[rmlew]

Strictly speaking, Mohammed wed Ai'isha at 6. He molested her at 9.

[dirtboy]

I have defended Pipes before in a letter to the editor. He makes a lot of compelling points, and I hope he is correct. However, I also think there is a core pathology in Islam that cannot be addressed by trying to cull the extremists from the moderates. It would require a full-scale re- evaluation of the concept of jihad and how Islam is promulgated. At the end of the day, Islam in its current state does not believe that someone should be allowed to move from Islam to another religion. My former mother-in-law and father-in-law were both born as Muslims and converted to Christianity - and had been shot at and threatened with death by their relatives for doing such. Until Islam goes from such a feudal mentality to instead offering its views and competing in the marketplace of ideas without threat of death to those who disagree or want to leave the fold, it will remain a medieval religion at heart.

[broadsword]

Defanging Islam would be like making a household pet of a lion or turning a Nazi into a member of a local civics club...you never know when the call of the wild is going to occur.

Yep, the call of the Koran. Never to be trusted. It would be far better for America (and the world) if we were fresh out of Muzzies.

[FreeKeys]

I'm betting on finding Atlantis first.

Atlantis was Santorini. Try betting on finding Elvis alive first or something.

[Smartass]

In a society as theirs, the radicals fundamentalists will always control the moderates.   e.g.; Because of the bully on the block having all the thugs on his side, Iraq was controlled by a smaller Sunni minority, over a much, much larger larger Shiite population.   In Iran, it's the radical fundamentalist "Revolution Guard.   In Afghanistan, it was the Taliban.   On, and on!!!

[Madame Dufarge]

Powerful essay.

Thanks for the ping.

[Valin]

A good way to put it.

[Valin]

The problem with Islam is Islam. The terrorists are actually true Muslims doing nothing more than what Islam actually teaches.

Me and George Bush disagree.