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You can trust Putin to do the right thing with Amerika.

Ping.

rasputin's going back to russia's byzantine authoritarian roots.

russia had no enlightenment, and thus, no experience with democracy.

i had a historian in college once that argued that russia went from the medieval age to the 20th century. there was no industrial revolution in russia.

"Officials say the Russians are after secrets about American military technology and hardware, dual-use technology such as the latest lasers,..."

Russia has always been a copycat economy- always has, always will. Can it survive without its former slave colonies? It really needs to lose the Marxist relativism and get some Western Enlightenment.

TAP - TAP - TAP - THEY'RE BAAAAAAAAACK! - ping.

(Could even be several reading this thread right now . .)

Little boy: "What a dual-use technology daddy?

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As the FBI has remade itself in the wake of 9/11 into a counterterrorism agency, the bureau's long-standing counterintelligence mission has been bumped down a notch on the priority list. During this time, Russia has been among the U.S.'s rivals most aggressively exploiting the opening to build up its spying capabilities. Also, it has been using liberalized immigration rules for Russians, instituted after the cold war, to install nocs.

In addition to embassy-based spies, Russia—along with China, Pakistan, Iran and any number of other countries, including U.S. allies—relies on many hard-to-trace front companies, often run through third-party countries, to acquire secrets and dual-use technology. "We think there are thousands of these companies," a senior U.S. official said.

I thought we won, and the Russians were happy to hear how they lost every 15 seconds from 3rd rate talk show hosts...

Oh wait...

Maybe the country that kicked Nazis around like rag dolls don't like to be second best...

They control 30% on NG, in the world together with Iran they control 45%, that alone should make em interesting, the times to come will surely be interesting.

Dont me im just rambling...

"They're baaaaack," says a former senior U.S. intelligence official...

I never thought they left.

It's not just the Russians. So-called "friends" (like Israel) and foes (like the Chinese, France, GB, etc.) have been stealing us blind for years. This includes military secrets as well as industrial ones.

And why has this come to be? Mainly because we let them; the U.S. is too soft in dealing with this espionage.

God willing, someday we will get a government that is devoted to the American nattion and not the international elites. Boys, we need another Andrew Jackson who can start by literially hanging (after due process, of course) every tratior in the State Department and CIA.

Clinton sold technology to China via Loral. What's the big deal?

rasputin fragmented yukos oil for two reasons:

a resurgence of antisemitism

and putin's narcissism couldn't stand competing against oil moguls that would intensify democracy at the expense of the state.

"Also, it has been using*** liberalized immigration rules*** for Russians, instituted after the cold war, to install nocs."

For Russians, and everybody else.

ping

"They're baaaaack," says a former senior U.S. intelligence official who worked against Moscow during the cold war. "They're busy as hell, but I don't think we've really got what it is that [the spys are] doing."

Errrrr.... spying?

Wow, to think I could have been a senior intelligence official.

Thanks for the ping!!! Espionage is just the tip of the iceberg, as the articles in post #18 make abundantly clear.

THE BIG PICTURE

Excerpt taken from "We Are The Next Target"

(if anyone want a link to the original report FreepMail me).

Though having been a recognized danger for over a century, terrorism had not forced its way into world consciousness until the 1970s. During that decade, terrorist violence broke out simultaneously in virtually every Western country and rapidly became a fact of everyday life. Its very senselessness helped create the public fear on which it thrived.

But as the evidence accumulated, a pattern began to emerge. Major exposes, such as the four volume work by French intelligence expert Pierre de Villamarest or the 1981 book The Terror Network by Claire Sterling, revealed that the nearly 200 terrorist groups formed an international network so well-coordinated that they constituted a single organization.[19] At the center of this network was the KGB, the secret police arm of the Soviet Union. Terrorists would typically be trained in Middle Eastern camps run by the PLO, supervised by Eastern European agents, and armed by Moscow or Communist China. Regardless of whether individual groups professed an official Marxist-Leninist doctrine, all terrorists cooperated to destabilize non-Communist governments.

Naturally, the apparent death of Communism in 1989 led many people to believe the terrorist threat would quickly end. Some governments used the opportunity to arrest top leaders of terrorist groups, and confidently declared victory. Thus the revival of terrorism caught many authorities off guard. From where are these radical groups getting their weapons, their financing, and their training? Who is directing the new wave of violence?

The shocking answer is that terrorism is being orchestrated by the very same governments, and even the same Communist Parties, as before. A glaring example of this surfaced on May 23, 1993, when three explosions damaged a neighborhood just outside the capital city of Nicaragua. This was not a terrorist act, but an accident that revealed an underground bunker operated by the Sandinista National Liberation Front. According to one diplomatic observer, the depot was "a one-stop shopping center for terrorist activities, where you could get guns and documents." It contained anti-aircraft missiles, as well as "hundreds of AK-47 assault rifles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and tons of ammunition and explosives, including some C-4 plastic widely used in terrorist bombings." Hundreds of forged passports and other documents, from dozens of nations, were also found. The bunker was actively supporting terrorists ranging from the Basque ETA separatists of Spain to the Farabundo Marti guerrillas of El Salvador. Even one of the suspects in the World Trade Center bombing had been caught weeks earlier with phony passports from Nicaragua.[20]

The "death" of Communism

When the Moscow- and PLO-trained Sandinistas first seized control of Nicaragua in 1979, they brought that country into the Soviet orbit, transforming it into a center for supporting terrorism. But eleven years later, the Sandinistas followed the trend in Eastern Europe and supposedly yielded power in free elections. In reality, this democratic transition was an illusion. The new president is merely a figurehead, while the Sandinistas retain total power. The Sandinistas openly control the military, the police, the intelligence service, the secret police, the courts, and virtually every other branch of the government. They can continue operating with impunity, and have been caught numerous times in the last few years sending weapons to terrorists throughout Latin America.[21] If they so decided, the Sandinistas could easily nullify the Nicaraguan elections at any time.

The same holds true for the nations of Eastern Europe. In the transition to new governments, the Communists were neither killed nor forced to flee, nor did they retire. In fact, members of the Communist ruling structure simply relabeled themselves as "ex-Communists" or "reformers," and continued to rule; fellow Communists simultaneously played leading roles in the opposition parties, thus ensuring nothing could go wrong. For example, a 1990 documentary aired on BBC television revealed that the Czechoslovak and Soviet secret police had themselves orchestrated the protests against the Czechoslovak Communist regime in 1989;[22] since the alleged revolution, Czechoslovak Communists have retained control over such vital posts as foreign policy, economic policy, and the military.[23] In another example, a 1990 article, first published in France, exposed the Romanian revolution as having also been engineered by the Soviet KGB, in which the ruling Communists renamed themselves the "National Salvation Front" without yielding any power.[24] In Poland, the Solidarity movement had been permeated with Communist Party members years before the 1989 transition to limited democracy; since the reforms, Polish Communists have continued to head the courts, the secret police, and the military,[25] while the Polish secret police and military have been strengthening ties with their Soviet counterparts.[26] There is even growing evidence that the Stasi--the secret police of East Germany--is still operating as an underground organization within united Germany.[27]

Meanwhile, all fifteen Soviet republics are firmly controlled by so-called "former" Communists or by the Russian military.[28] Russian leader Boris Yeltsin has himself been a Communist Party member since 1961.[29] Soviet opposition movements, including the anti-Semitic group Pamyat and the political party of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, also appear to be under KGB control.[30] And thousands of Soviet concentration camps remain in full operation today, while Soviet citizens still cannot leave their country.[31]

Contrary to popular impression, the Soviet alliance is actively preparing for a state of war. The FBI reports that, under Boris Yeltsin, KGB spying efforts in the United States and elsewhere have intensified,[32] while the Soviet republics are collaborating in a crash military buildup program. According to such Western intelligence sources as the U.S. Defense Department, the Soviets are modernizing and expanding, rather than dismantling, their vast nuclear and conventional forces.[33] This growing military power is being shared with traditional Soviet allies and Communist regimes around the world, including Communist China, Nicaragua, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Iran, and others.[34] Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Soviet troops are still stationed in Poland and East Germany.[35] Russia itself, and several East Bloc nations, are now entering a partnership with NATO for joint military exercises,[36] while Soviet troops returning from Eastern Europe are being placed in strategic positions near Soviet borders.[37]

In short, Communism is fully alive, and is accelerating its global war of terrorism and revolution--even as our Western news media indulges in wishful thinking, waiting for political and economic reforms that never occur. But why should the Communists fake their own funeral? Two reasons stand out: (1) the Soviet Union is now receiving tens of billions of dollars in U.S. aid each year, money that is desperately needed to finance the expensive military buildup,[38] and (2) as terrorism heats up, the disbelieving West becomes paralyzed, choosing to give in to terrorist demands rather than retaliate against, and thereby risk undermining, the so-called "democracies" of the Soviet Bloc. Anatoliy Golitsyn, the highest-level Soviet KGB official ever to defect to the West, revealed that the Soviet high command had planned this strategic deception many years earlier, in order to confuse the West temporarily during a phase of rapid Communist expansion. Golitsyn accurately predicted all of the changes in the Soviet Bloc in his 1984 book, New Lies for Old--five years before the events themselves.[39]

The goals and methods of Communism

Yet it seems almost incredible that any ideology could lead to well-coordinated deception on such a huge scale. Whenever the word "Communism" is mentioned, most people think of a philosophy, a political theory, an economic system, or perhaps a political party. But Communism is none of these. Before we can understand the Communist role in strategic deception and terrorist warfare, we must answer one critical question: What is Communism?

Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin are widely known as the founders of Communism. However, not everyone who professes the ideology of Marx and Lenin is a true Communist. Lenin himself defined Communism as an international organization, akin to the Mafia, whose members would constitute an elite corps of professional revolutionaries.[40] As he described it in 1902, "In form such a strong revolutionary organization in an autocratic country may also be described as a 'conspiratorial' organization... such an organization must have the utmost secrecy."[41] Shortly after seizing control of Russia in 1917, Lenin revealed the secret of Communist success in a booklet, declaring that "The Bolsheviks could not have maintained themselves in power... unless the strictest, truly iron discipline prevailed in our Party."[42] Naive believers in Marxist ideology are constantly purged from the Party, for the organization can rely only on those people blindly willing to obey orders.[43] Communism explicitly disavows all moral rules, and its members must constantly shift tactics, sometimes even carry out seemingly anti-Marxist actions, as its leadership adapts the revolution to changing circumstances.[44] Thus Communists possess the fanatic discipline needed to carry out deception on a scale beyond the imagination of most outsiders, including staging their own alleged "collapse."

The ultimate goal has been stated openly by every major Communist leader since Karl Marx: a world government dominated by the Communists.[45] Lenin described how, to overthrow existing governments, the Communists organize parallel revolutions in each country. Most of the Communist Party structure must operate underground, invisible to the larger population, while it uses both legal and illegal methods, including deception and, in Lenin's own words, "terrorism."[46] Its secret members, operating under strict orders, infiltrate the highest levels of the target government and its military, as well as the labor unions and other popular movements, the communications media, and even the anti-Communist opposition itself.[47] From these positions, the Communists can orchestrate an apparently spontaneous, violent revolution, while paralyzing the efforts of the target government to respond effectively. The confused population, unaware of the well-organized forces behind the crisis, negotiates a series of compromises leading to further instability and finally to the victory of Communism.

As growing numbers of nations fall to the revolution, it becomes possible to reunite them under a Communist world regime.[48] This is being carried out in a two-stage process. The transition step to this "new world social order," as American Communist William Z. Foster called it,[49] involves merging the newly captive nations into regional governments.[50] The Communists have explicitly worked toward creating a united Europe,[51] a united American hemisphere,[52] a pan-African regional entity,[53] and, for the Middle East, a pan-Arab regime.[54]

Marxism-Leninism, then, is not an ideology, but a strategy for achieving world revolution. Communists are the disciplined members of an international organization that uses Marxist-Leninist techniques. And terrorism is a key ingredient in the success of such revolution. To see how the entire strategy works, we now turn to an overview of Communist revolutions in action.

Wars of national liberation

Because open warfare against target governments would simply lead to defeat, the Communists always disguise their revolutions as civil wars. They camouflage their intentions by pretending to fight for the liberation of one class of people from another, using a divide-and-conquer technique against a nation's social structure. This method is referred to as a "war of national liberation," and it adapts its tactics to the unique circumstances of each country. Such a war can pit industrial workers against capitalists, as in Russia, Catholics against Protestants, as in Northern Ireland, blacks against whites, as in South Africa--or Arabs against Jews, as in Israel. The Communists do not openly identify themselves, acting instead as representatives of the supposedly "oppressed" class of people.

By painting their revolution as a spontaneous uprising of "oppressed masses," the Communists hope to convince the target population that it faces an unwinnable war rooted in fundamental social tensions. If the government is also paralyzed and cannot stop the terrorism, public morale quickly drops and the weakening government loses popular support. Believing that the revolution must eventually win, the population abandons active opposition to the terrorists and instead sues for peace at any cost. The perception ultimately becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as the government collapses altogether.

Any "war of national liberation" can be divided into seven steps:

Step 1) To establish themselves in the minds of the target population as a force to be reckoned with, the revolutionaries must first force a heavy-handed reaction by the government. Their tactics are based on a 1969 book by Brazilian Communist Carlos Marighella, the Mini-Manual for Urban Guerrillas, which has been translated and distributed to terrorists throughout the world. Marighella explained how to use such frightening violence that "the government has no alternative except to intensify repression. The police roundups, house searches, arrests of innocent people, make life in the city unbearable... The political situation is transformed into a military situation, in which the militarists appear more and more responsible for errors and violence... The urban guerrilla must become more aggressive and violent, resorting without letup to sabotage, terrorism, expropriations, assaults, kidnappings and executions, heightening the disastrous situation in which the government must act."[55]

Step 2) Having provoked a harsh reaction by the target government, the Communists now flood the Western news media with stories of government atrocities, real or fabricated. The goal is to begin isolating the government from Western, primarily American, support. The revolutionaries label convicted terrorists as "political prisoners"; they invent elaborate stories of secret prisons and "death squads"; and they hide among civilians during fighting, causing the government to kill innocent people accidentally. Such heads of state as Chiang Kai-shek of China, Anastasio Somoza of Nicaragua, and the Shah of Iran have been portrayed as corrupt and repressive. The South African government has been painted as being violently racist, while the French colonial administration in Algeria and the British rule in Northern Ireland have been labeled as undemocratic. Similar publicity attacks have been used against South Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Rhodesia, El Salvador, Argentina, and dozens of other nations. The news media has always cooperated in these smear campaigns, never allowing the target regime a fair chance to respond to the charges.

Step 3) The Communists can now count on the U.S. State Department to pressure the target government to begin giving in to the revolutionaries, supposedly for the sake of "human rights." The regime offers compromises, including political reforms, the release of captured terrorists, and military cease-fires, which allow the terrorists to regroup and seize territory. But the revolutionaries also increase their demands, taking advantage of the government's weakened image.

Step 4) As the government loses prestige, the Communists escalate the revolutionary violence and general unrest. They organize mass demonstrations, which agitators turn into riots. Labor unions go on strike, building toward a general labor strike that cripples the entire economy. Marxist professors in the universities indoctrinate and recruit naive youth, who join the growing ranks of Communists and terrorists. And some Communist agents even infiltrate local religious organizations, masquerading as priests or other clergy so as to neutralize opposition and recruit more people into the revolution. This can be seen, for example, in the Liberation Theology movement in the Catholic and Protestant churches, which teaches that Jesus was a Marxist revolutionary. Liberation Theology is active today in many parts of Latin America, Africa, and the far East.

Step 5) Since the Communists are only a tiny minority of the population, they must create the illusion of popular support. By waging terrorist warfare against the very people they claim to be liberating, the revolutionaries can frighten the people into passive or even active support of the revolution. In China and Nicaragua, the Communists murdered peasant farmers in rural villages; in Algeria, they maimed and killed Arab muslims; in Northern Ireland, they have killed thousands of Catholics while "kneecapping" thousands more with guns and electric drills;[56] in South Africa, they have burned to death many hundreds of blacks with "necklaces"--tires soaked in gasoline, placed around the victim's neck, and lit on fire.[57] The revolutionaries accuse the victims of "collaborating" with the government, sending a powerful message to the rest of the population not to resist.

Step 6) Now the Communists are ready to enter the final phase of their revolution. With the target government steadily losing control over the country, the revolutionaries step up general terrorist violence while simultaneously negotiating for a new government. To accomplish this, the Communists often must split their revolutionary movement into two wings: an extremely violent faction pretending to oppose any peace agreement, and a more political faction that projects an image of pragmatism. The two factions secretly coordinate their activities, carrying out a "good cop/bad cop" scenario. Frightened by the escalating terrorism of the revolutionaries, the government makes concessions to the seemingly moderate faction, hoping to discourage the forces of violence. As the Communists tighten the vise, the government bargains away its remaining strength.

Step 7) Finally, in the name of democracy and "human rights," the U.S. State Department withdraws its support from the embattled regime, using diplomatic pressure to force out the old government entirely and replace it with another. The Communists have by this time maneuvered themselves into position to join the new coalition government. Because this new regime is weak and divided, the Communists quickly move to consolidate total power for themselves. Their naive liberal allies are executed, followed by systematic mass terror against the whole population. A Communist regime has been imposed.

These seven steps describe the pattern of a war of national liberation. This strategy has been used, with slight variations, against almost every nation now under Communism, and is well under way for many remaining non-Communist nations.[58] As we have seen, terrorism is a cornerstone of this strategy.

Emergency! Emergency! Everybody to get from street.!

"An unknown number of so-called nocs—who work under nonofficial cover as businessmen and -women, journalists or academics—undoubtedly expand the Russian spy force."

That would explain a lot of college professors.

I read recently that we in Poland still have around 40 Russian spies, at least former Soviet spy colonel Oleg Gordijevski is claiming. It was year 2000, when we last time expelled few Russian spies.

Poland expels Russian 'spies' 20 January, 2000

Russia 'must spy' on big business - Mikhail Fradkov, Russia’s Prime Minister, has stunned the business community by saying his country's secret service must spy on large corporations to guarantee economic growth.

We still need help from the FSB to provide the government and the executive branch with sufficient information... that can level the playing field among businesses for growth," Interfax quoted Mr Fradkov as saying. The FSB is the secret service, which in the Soviet era was known as the KGB.

Mr Fradkov said state-sponsored spying on Russian business would "develop business and attract investments".

Germany Seen Crawling with Russian Spies - 29.01.2005

About 130 Russian spies are currently undercover in Germany, almost as many as were deployed there by the

KGB during the Cold War, according to the latest edition of the German news magazine Focus. German political parties, companies, the armed forces and scientific research establishments were targeted by post-communist Russian espionage, said the report quoting German authorities.

The article, released in advance of Monday's ediiton, quoted an official of the German Federal Criminal Investigation Agency (BKA) as saying these targets were spied on "in an extremely aggressive way." It also quoted an unnamed senior official of Germany's domestic counter-intelligence service as saying Russian intelligence had been strongly reinforced of late, so that almost as many operatives were now undercover on German territory as there were Soviet KGB agents there during the Cold War. Russian-German relations are generally perceived as being cordial. German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and Russian President Vladimir Putin have strengthened friendly links between the two countries. The leaders speak German together, a language Putin learned as a KGB agent based in Dresden in former East Germany during the Cold War.

Spying 'still at Cold War levels' - January 30, 2005

Focus reported a Russian military intelligence officer had been caught trying to recruit a German soldier in order to get at confidential military documents.

The officer had been expelled following a German protest note to the Russian embassy in Berlin, it said.

The magazine also reported Russian agents had been observed in Hamburg trying to recruit informers in the police force.

The German federal attorney's department in Karlsruhe is currently examining statements by Russian former agents who have changed sides.

Investigators do not rule out that the ex-agents are being co-operative in the hope of obtaining residence permits in Germany.

Russian-German relations are generally perceived as cordial.

Talks between German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin last month were deemed to have strengthened friendly links.

"Our relationship has reached a breadth and depth like never before in our history," Mr Schroeder said during the talks in northern Germany.

The two leaders spoke in German, a language Mr Putin learned as a KGB agent based in Dresden in former East Germany during the Cold War.

Putin would be irresponsible if he didn't use every tool to restore his nation. It is just as unpleasant for the Russians to live at a disadvantage to the US as the reverse would be to Americans.

That said, I loathe Putin and feel he's frittered away many chances to benefit Russia.

Oh and by the way, just because I can sympathise with Putin's spying he knows the risks. Any spies located should take a long drop with a short rope. That should be the default except when spies co-operate after capture, whether they're Russian, Chinese, British or Israeli. Everyone spies on each other but we don't have to make it easy for them...