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Taxpayers foot the bill for Rossi's election challenge
Associated Press via OregonLive.com ^ | 30 January 2005 | REBECCA COOK

Posted on 01/30/2005 3:22:25 PM PST by Josef1235

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — Whoever wins the legal challenge to the governor's election, the citizens of Washington will pay.

In fact, they're already paying.

The state expects to spend about $200,000 of taxpayer money on private lawyers defending the Secretary of State's office.

And every county auditor and prosecutor is spending thousands of taxpayer dollars in staff time to respond to the Republicans' lawsuit challenging the 129-vote victory of Gov. Christine Gregoire. Some say the lawsuit is bleeding resources from other areas of government.

Republicans, convinced the election was irredeemably tainted, say the challenge is worth the cost.

"We don't know who won, and we can't just sweep it under the table because it's a bother," said Mary Lane, spokeswoman for Republican Dino Rossi, who lost a hand recount to Gregoire after winning the first two counts. "This is essential for our democracy, that we have a fair and clean election."

Many citizens agree, and believe a revote is the only fair solution — even if it costs them.

Rossi and the state Republican Party filed their election challenge in Chelan County Superior Court, suing the state and all 39 counties. They allege that hundreds of illegal ballots were counted and they're asking Judge John E. Bridges to nullify the super-close governor's election. The state Democratic Party intervened in the case, saying the GOP's challenge is unconstitutional and their evidence is too weak to justify throwing out election results.

The next hearing is scheduled for Friday. The Democrats and five counties will ask the judge to dismiss the case. In the meantime, many counties are struggling to dig out from the blizzard of lawsuit paperwork. The Republicans' discovery request includes 48 questions and demands for evidence.

In Island County, a mid-sized county of 75,000, county officials estimate they've spent at least 162 hours of staff time — costing taxpayers about $4,600 — responding to the GOP's discovery demands and preparing for hearings.

That doesn't count the time it took tech support workers to revive the prosecutor's e-mail system after it crashed under the weight of all the election challenge filings.

"It's safe to say that the Rossi lawsuit is consuming a significant chunk of our resources, even though we are, in comparison to other parties, a minor player," said Island County Prosecuting Attorney Greg Banks, who is also prosecuting two new murder cases.

Rossi ran as a fiscal conservative, and his supporters say they hate to see taxpayer dollars going down the drain for a lawsuit. But many say Rossi is doing the right thing.

Lee Benysek of Oak Harbor, a Navy veteran of Vietnam, the Persian Gulf War and "everything in between," calls himself an independent and believes Gregoire will be a fine governor. But he doesn't trust the results of the hand recount.

"I'm willing to pay my share," said Benysek, 59. "I really think they should have another election just because of the baloney they've uncovered."

The Secretary of State's office expects to spend about $90,000 this month on outside lawyers, said Elections Director Nick Handy. Usually state agencies are represented by the Attorney General's office when sued. But when the Republicans filed their election challenge in December, Gregoire was still attorney general, and her office had an obvious conflict of interest. So the Secretary of State hired a team of four top-notch Seattle lawyers who collectively bill $1,115 an hour.

By the time Republican Rob McKenna was sworn in as the new attorney general this month, Handy said, those attorneys had built up so much expertise on the election challenge that the secretary of state decided to keep them on the case.

Meanwhile county attorneys, who usually don't bill by the hour, are squeezing in the election challenge around their other duties. Counties small and large report difficulties with the cost of the election challenge.

Pierce County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Dan Hamilton spent Thursday morning trying to print out court filings from his e-mail, and had only a ream of paper printed with gray X's to show for it.

Hamilton and another attorney have spent the past two weeks working almost exclusively on the election challenge.

"It's a major monkey wrench in the machinery of Pierce County," Hamilton said. "A lot of the county's business is not being done because of just trying to manage this."

County officials are dealing not only with the lawsuit, but with dozens of election-related public records requests from the media, lawmakers and others.

In a county that voted 58 percent for Rossi, Ferry County Prosecuting Attorney James von Sauer said he understands why the Republicans challenged the election.

But von Sauer said it seems the Republicans are trying to paper their opponents to death. In one of the poorest counties in the state, Von Sauer said he will probably spend at least 60 hours — nearly eight full days — responding to the GOP's discovery demands and preparing for the next hearing.

"Had they sat down and really thought what is necessary, they probably would have tailored this thing down to a manageable level," von Sauer said.

Republicans say they are trying to work with the counties to make the election challenge demands more manageable. Some counties have entered agreements with the GOP attorneys allowing them to truncate their discovery.

The election challenge will eventually be decided by the state Supreme Court. Whatever happens, counties don't have much hope of getting their money back.

Judges can order the losers in a court case to pay the winner's costs. But because most county prosecutors don't bill by the hour as private attorneys do, there's no way to document exactly how much time they spent on the case — especially on such things as rebooting their computer because legal documents crashed their e-mail for the third time.

Pursuing payback in court would take more effort than it's worth, Pierce County's Hamilton said.

"There's not much you can do about it," he said. "The county is always on the losing end of things."

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Some of the court filings in the election challenge are posted on the Secretary of State's Web site: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/recount.aspx#ec


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cost; democracy; elections; freedom; gregoire; gregovich; gregovych; marummy; marylane; mess; redo; revote; rossi; samreed; stealingelections; swampyreed; taxes; theft; themostcorruptstate; votefraud
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To: Josef1235

Hey, AP, how much did the hand count, that the 'Rats insisted on, cost?


21 posted on 01/30/2005 4:20:27 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Josef1235
What a dishonest reporter! The taxpayers were already left holding the bag for the $1.5 million cost of the recount that Gregoire demanded, after Rossi won the count and the recount.

The Democrats put up $750,000 for that recount. They were supposed to put up the whole cost, but they didn't. Still, the deposit got returned to the Democrats because Gregoire "won" the third count.

Gee, why would an impartial AP reporter miss such an obvious point? Who'd a thunk it?

Congressman Billybob [TWO different columns this week]

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22 posted on 01/30/2005 4:32:09 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: FoxInSocks

LOL!


23 posted on 01/30/2005 4:47:32 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Josef1235

Maybe when they do a revote, Washington state can buy some bottles of purple ink . . .


24 posted on 01/30/2005 4:52:07 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Josef1235

The Taxpayers wouldn't have to fund jack sh!t if the state honored Rossi's first 2 VICTORYS and listened to the will of the people! I think that the DNC should foot the entire bill as a punishment for voter fraud and theft of an election!


25 posted on 01/30/2005 5:13:50 PM PST by Bommer (JFK - "Pay any Cost! Bare any Burden" TFK "I'll pay what you want and bare my @ss!")
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To: Josef1235

Excuse me .. didn't the taxpayers foot the bill for the recounts ..??


26 posted on 01/30/2005 5:19:40 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: Liberty Wins

I am wondering if purple ink might not be a good thing for U.S. elections .


27 posted on 01/30/2005 5:45:31 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: AmericaUnited

Right now, that money is being w/held by Secretary of State Sam Reed...

Frankly, the State Dems should be gracious and decline the money from the counties.


28 posted on 01/30/2005 5:48:41 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: Blue Screen of Death

Because, frankly, it's the right thing to do.

Let me explain in plain English: Maybe we should strap a sensor to you as to your bile, then tell you that we found out where you ancestors are and then build on their graves...

Angry? Me too.

And BTW: The damn grave site should have been found before the full costs were incurred.


29 posted on 01/30/2005 5:50:27 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Okay, FYI: The Secretary of State's office is w/holding the money until the court challenge is ruled on by the State Supremes (probably not until mid-spring).


30 posted on 01/30/2005 5:51:31 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: hoosierham

That sounds swell until: NO MORE VOTE-BY-MAIL...


31 posted on 01/30/2005 5:52:36 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: CyberAnt

Yes, they did. And the counties & other local tax districts are hurting.


32 posted on 01/30/2005 5:53:04 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: Josef1235

But .. if the people don't want to pay for it - then they need to change their state's election laws so they don't have to pay for it.


33 posted on 01/30/2005 5:57:47 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: Josef1235
Right now, that money is being w/held by Secretary of State Sam Reed...

Wow! That is the first sensible thing that any Washington State elected official has done.

34 posted on 01/31/2005 2:28:21 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!!


35 posted on 01/31/2005 3:03:25 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: CyberAnt

And then who would pay?

Just imagine if this is 2006, it's a GOP v. Cantwell and we're in deep red Spokane County this time? But everything else is the same.

Food for thought.


36 posted on 01/31/2005 2:42:24 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: AmericaUnited

Yeah, but he sucks royally. Go to http://recallreedblog.blogspot.com


37 posted on 01/31/2005 2:43:09 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: Josef1235

The real point is - WA state has got to make some kind of move to change their election laws. It can be done if you have a good organization to do it.

So .. the point isn't the location of the voting problems .. but what laws govern the voting problems.

However .. a reasonable dispute - such as if the margin of winning is 500 votes or less - then it becomes the state's obligation to pay for the machine recount. I believe the law already states that the hand recount is paid for by the party asking for the hand recount and the dems did that. Then that only leaves a rule change for who pays for a revote. If there was malfeasance in the original vote - then rules need to be made as to who is responsible for the revote - the party that was harmed - or the party which committed the malfeasance. That's going to be a tough decision.


38 posted on 01/31/2005 3:52:59 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: CyberAnt
Well, The Chronicle (of Chehalis, WA) said this: WHO PAYS? State law requires that the party, in this case the Democrats, that requests a hand recount must conditionally pay for it. The condition is that if the recount reverses the result — in this instance shows Gregoire won instead of Rossi, then the state must pay because theoretically it messed up in the first two counts. The result would be that we, the taxpayers, must reimburse the Democrats the $1 million or so it cost for the recount. We have a suggestion: Because a reversal that gives Gregoire the election will almost certainly be a result of King County election officials’ incompetence, make King County and its taxpayers reimburse the Democrats, not us taxpayers in the rest of the state. SOURCE I tend to agree. The incompetence however, is also in Pierce County, too. And others. Try to check out http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com/2005/01/total-mockery-part-02.html when you can.
39 posted on 01/31/2005 5:37:17 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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To: Josef1235; CyberAnt
Well, The Chronicle (of Chehalis, WA) said this:

WHO PAYS? State law requires that the party, in this case the Democrats, that requests a hand recount must conditionally pay for it. The condition is that if the recount reverses the result — in this instance shows Gregoire won instead of Rossi, then the state must pay because theoretically it messed up in the first two counts. The result would be that we, the taxpayers, must reimburse the Democrats the $1 million or so it cost for the recount. We have a suggestion: Because a reversal that gives Gregoire the election will almost certainly be a result of King County election officials’ incompetence, make King County and its taxpayers reimburse the Democrats, not us taxpayers in the rest of the state.

SOURCE

I tend to agree. The incompetence however, is also in Pierce County, too. And others. Try to check out http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com/2005/01/total-mockery-part-02.html when you can.
40 posted on 01/31/2005 5:39:12 PM PST by Josef1235 (My blog: http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com)
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