Posted on 01/31/2005 1:02:52 PM PST by killthedonkey
A close friend of Hossam Armanious and relatives of the family murdered in New Jersey have revealed the following:
Shortly after the murders, members of the Egyptian consulate went to visit the family to encourage them to keep quiet. And many family members have obeyed, saying nothing to reporters or anyone else. However, two family members and another Copt viewed the bodies at the funeral home. One of these eyewitnesses said that he clearly saw that the family members had not suffered “stab wounds to the throat,” as the prosecutor’s report states, but rather the following:
A. Both adults, Hossam and Amal, had a horizontal slit across the throat. Below the slit, on the left, right and middle of the throat were three holes, big enough so that one could place a finger in each hole. According to the eyewitness, it was as if the assailant(s) took a knife and turned it repeatedly in a circular fashion, as if to screw holes into the victims’ necks.
B. The two young girls, Sylvia (15) and Monica (8), also had a horizontal slits in their throats, along with two holes bored below the slits, one on the right and one on the left sides of their necks. The holes were similar to those on their parents’ necks.
C. The eyewitness said although the bodies of the victims were all covered, he was able to see the arms of the little girl Monica. Although the tattoo of the cross inside Monica’s wrist was not defaced, he saw that her wrists were cut. He was not able to see the wrists of the other victims to see if the crosses on their wrists were defaced.
D. Though the family wants to reserve judgment until the results of the case are released, they did say that the way the four family members were bound and gagged and the way their throats were slit with holes carved is similar to executions that are shown on al-Jazeera. The American public is not aware of this because the details of the executions are not often described in news accounts.
Amal Garas’s father said that (contrary to many news reports and CAIR’s press release) none of the family’s jewelry was taken, and that Amal owned some quite expensive pieces that were not touched. At the time of her murder, Amal was wearing a ring worth $3,500 that was not taken.
Garas’s father also has been speaking with the detectives and the prosecutor on the case. He was told that the results of the autopsy would not be ready until March 14. However, an inside source in one of New Jersey’s police departments said that the results of autopsy and toxicology reports are known within 48 hours after the bodies are discovered. This source has worked on such cases for many years. He said that the department knows the results, but as in similar cases intends to wait a month or two before they release them to the family. During that time long reports are written to cross the t’s and dot the i’s for the family, but the final results are not much different from what is discovered within the first 48 hours. So all of the press reports about waiting for the prosecutor’s findings on the autopsies are nonsense. Though the investigators are looking at Sylvia’s computer and other evidence, the findings on the autopsy for the most part are already in.
A reporter who is closely following this case said that this delay was because the police and prosecutor want this case to go away. They want things to cool down. That’s why they set the autopsy date as March 14, two months after the murders.
It is still possible that this wasn’t a Muslim hate crime. The problem is that investigators have not taken the necessary steps to ensure a fair review of the evidence. There are too many holes here, too many inconsistencies in the official story. Too many obvious tasks have not been done: an Armanious family friend with whom I spoke, who gave me names and motives of possible perpetrators, is still waiting for a call from investigators.
Investigators seem to be following dead ends more assiduously than live leads. A Muslim has told police in Jersey City that there is an Islamic custom in Egypt: a life for a life. He said that is what may have happened in this case. Some news reports are referring to this when they say they’re looking into the family’s activities in Egypt before they came to the U.S. in 1997. Said prosecutor Edward DeFazio, “It could be that it's a vendetta that might go back to the old country. We’re going to try to look into that.” However, those close to Hossam Armanious maintain that he didn’t have any enemies, and certainly never took anyone’s life in Egypt or here; nor did anyone in his family.
This background information may illuminate why this investigation has been so curiously lacking:
There are a number of clergy in the Coptic community who are in bed with the Egyptian government. Some even act as agents for the Mubarak regime. Coptic clergy who won’t cooperate are often exiled into the Egyptian desert, where they live a very difficult life.
Many Coptic women have been kidnapped by Muslims. Some of these women are being kidnapped with the help of the compromised clergy. The priest hears a girl’s confession and then passes on information he hears there to Muslim kidnappers, who decide which girls they want to take. Many of these women are forced to marry Muslim men and are never seen again.
A number of Muslims have infiltrated the Coptic community, pretending to be Christians in order to gather information. Jersey City has a large number of Copts. Some of this infiltration has taken place there; some of the Coptic clergy there are also compromised. However, most Copts trust their clergy wholeheartedly, making it easy for the moles to operate.
What do those compromised clergymen want? The answer most likely has to do with a fact revealed by a number of other sources: the Egyptian government is pressuring the police and prosecutor to make this case disappear. Where are the mainstream media reporters contacting the Egyptian consulate to find out whether or not this is true?
It is not necessarily thr work of "Terrorists" but the work of Fanatics.
Like the difference between the Taliban and Al-Qaeda:
*the Taliban was willing to mistreat and abuse their own people within their own land according to a fanatical interpretation of Islam,
*Al-Qaeda wants to turn the entire world Islamic, or kill those who oppose their plan,
These murders were a message to other opponents of Islam within the Coptic community, both HERE and in Egypt. The semi-ritualization of the killings, regardless of the "added holes", were designed to send a message pure and simple:
We don't want your fortune, we want your life if you are an apostate, or if you dare to blaspheme the messenger...and you are not safe anywhere, EVEN in your own house, EVEN in AMERICA.
Come to think of it, that would work pretty good to terrorize people, too...think of the horse's head in "The Godfather"...
What's the purpose of the holes in the neck? Torture?Unless they were made after death, but what would be the point of that?
It sure does make you wonder why.
"Avoid an anti-muslim backlash" Your right.They're(LE)looking short term, but there is no way that they'll be able to keep this covered up now. Just imagine the backlash if an attempted coverup became public.
CC: Humblegunner & Texas Cowboy
Awwwwwwright dammmit ! Ya'll started a party and didn't invite ME !!!???!!!
ROTFLMAO !!!
So what's the deal ya'll........who do ya think is the SOB sending ya the death threats ?
Gun up just in case El Roy.....
What's the date time group on that message TC ?
I would be proud to stand with any of ya'll against the Moon Rock Nazis and their pals here.
They need to bone up on their Kipling...they underestimate my tribe.
As for their resident FR defenders...well, it's the same slime you'll find breaking soft on any contentious thread.
I'll be waiting.
Andrew Ali Kramer? Sounds like a Jewish convert to Islam. I will start monitoring HIM from this point forward.
Take a look at this post from a terrorist, threat or whatever one wants to call it.
I didn't note the number but it is about #95
That's just it, they don't have the courage---and never will.
Dave...... I googled .... I failed !
Any ideas ?
Here's the info:
Received: from [69.140.243.170] by web60902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:18:35 PST
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:18:35 -0800 (PST)
From: NoName
Reply-To: akramer1492@yahoo.com
WHOA this guy threated Freepers
OHHH he don't know JACK
Personally I never see any religious bias Islam is not religion of peace AT ALL
They just murder innocent family they can't handle the truth
Did ya copy back to yahoo webmongers ? They'll have more on this turdburgler for the fibi's.....most likely it's a 12 year old punk wannabe wearing his mommas panties on his head.......vs any rabid assed islamic idiot hiding behind the profit prophet.
Never a question as to taking point for ya TC !
Give the yahoo yahoo's this info and tell em ya jerked the FiBi's chain .
Who/What/Why/when are you trying to Google?
I don't know how to contact Yahoo. I've never used them.
Interesting that you got email about us being monitored and the probable DUer dl_pens posted this before receiving the Zot!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1333006/posts
You are being watched! You will slip up soon! (Ooooooooh, a scary post! ZOT!!!)
Posted on 01/31/2005 3:28:10 PM PST by dl_pens
You and your fascist co-horts will all be sorry when the Bush* administration is charged with stealing this election. His administration and this website is nothing more then propaganda for a fascist regime. We are watching you, and we will be there when you slip up and your face down on the ground because you slipped on your own Nazi style propaganda. John Kerry won this election and you know it! Everyone knows it!
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