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Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
Arutz Sheva ^ | February 1, 2005 | Arutz Sheva

Posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:21 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice says that disengagement from Gush Katif and northern Shomron is fine, but only as a first step towards a full-fledged PLO state.

Rice met with Prime Minister Sharon's top aide Dov Weisglass in Washington on Monday. She explained to him the U.S. position that the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza is acceptable only as a prelude to the full Road Map plan proposed by President Bush.

The Road Map plan calls for a "viable" - i.e., territorially-contiguous - Arab state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Rice, as well, emphasized this point to Weisglass. This means that Gaza must be connected with a land-line to Judea, effectively dividing Israel in half, north and south of the Gaza-Hevron connection.

However, Associate Prime Minister Shimon Peres said today, "I think that she was not referring to a connection between Judea and Gaza, but rather to a connection between Judea and Samaria... We do have to ensure, however, that the [PA entity] will be able to effectively move goods between Gaza and Judea."

Prime Minister Sharon often says that the disengagement will help Israel strengthen its hold on five settlement blocs in Judea and Samaria. Nowhere, however, has US President Bush ever promised such support. In a letter to Sharon almost two years ago, Bush wrote only, "In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli population centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949..."

Rice's statements that the disengagement is only a first step further erodes Israeli hopes that the international community will approve extensive Israeli presence in the Biblical homeland areas it liberated in the Six Day War of 1967.

Secretary Rice is expected to arrive in Israel in the coming days. Upon assuming her post as Secretary of State last week, Rice said she sees the implementation of an arrangement in the Middle East a "personal objective."

Excerpts from the Road Map plan as issued by the U.S. Department of State on April 30, 2003: "A two state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will only be achieved through an end to violence and terrorism, when the Palestinian people have a leadership acting decisively against terror and willing and able to build a practicing democracy based on tolerance and liberty, and through Israel's readiness to do what is necessary for a democratic Palestinian state to be established, and a clear, unambiguous acceptance by both parties of the goal of a negotiated settlement as described below. The Quartet will assist and facilitate implementation of the plan, starting in Phase I, including direct discussions between the parties as required. The plan establishes a realistic timeline for implementation. However, as a performance-based plan, progress will require and depend upon the good faith efforts of the parties, and their compliance with each of the obligations outlined below...

"A settlement, negotiated between the parties, will result in the emergence of an independent, democratic, and viable Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with Israel and its other neighbors...

"In Phase I, the Palestinians immediately undertake an unconditional cessation of violence according to the steps outlined below; such action should be accompanied by supportive measures undertaken by Israel... Israel also freezes all settlement activity, consistent with the Mitchell report. "* Palestinian leadership issues unequivocal statement reiterating Israel's right to exist in peace and security and calling for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire to end armed activity and all acts of violence against Israelis anywhere. All official Palestinian institutions end incitement against Israel. "* Israeli leadership issues unequivocal statement affirming its commitment to the two-state vision of an independent, viable, sovereign Palestinian state living in peace and security alongside Israel, as expressed by President Bush, and calling for an immediate end to violence against Palestinians everywhere. All official Israeli institutions end incitement against Palestinians. "* Palestinians declare an unequivocal end to violence and terrorism and undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt, and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere. "* Israel immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001. "* Consistent with the Mitchell Report, Israel freezes all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements). "* [In the final stage,] Parties reach final and comprehensive permanent status agreement that ends the Israel-Palestinian conflict in 2005, through a settlement negotiated between the parties based on UNSCR 242, 338, and 1397, that ends the occupation that began in 1967, and includes an agreed, just, fair, and realistic solution to the refugee issue, and a negotiated resolution on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide, and fulfills the vision of two states, Israel and sovereign, independent, democratic and viable Palestine, living side-by-side in peace and security. "* Arab state acceptance of full normal relations with Israel and security for all the states of the region in the context of a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: appeasement; condeleezarice; drrice; gaza; israel; judea; pa; plo; roadmaptonothing; roadmaptopeace; samaria; shuckandjive
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Looks like our new Secretary of State will follow her predecessor's policies of undermining an ally to appease our enemies. Having a contiguous PLO state with a corridor cutting Israel in half - reminds me of another corridor during the 1919-39 period.
1 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:23 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA
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To: Alouette; Salem; SJackson; IAF ThunderPilot; anotherview; American in Israel; Simcha7; Yehuda; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/01/2005 5:53:49 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

I was going to post a similar article but am at the end of my shift and did not want to comeback to a hundred replies.
I am interested to know people's thoughts on the matter though.


3 posted on 02/01/2005 5:54:31 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Condoleeza Rice - Colon Powell & Jimmy Carter, warmed over.


4 posted on 02/01/2005 5:57:22 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Convert from ECUSA

First things first.

The Palis are up to bat. If they strike out, again, for the millionth time, forget a Pali state.

The ball is in their court.

I, for one, am sick of anyone making demands on Israel to do anything further. The Palis have done nothing, and expect concession after concession.

Let's see if the terrorist Abbas means what he says first.


5 posted on 02/01/2005 5:59:16 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Condoleeza: Instant Idiot - Just add State Department!


6 posted on 02/01/2005 6:03:01 AM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: exit82
I, for one, am sick of anyone making demands on Israel to do anything further.

You are not alone. Israel has done enough. It's time for the other guys to step up to the plate (which I, frankly, do not expect to happen).

7 posted on 02/01/2005 6:07:45 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Convert from ECUSA

It's a show of words. Only a fool would undermine Israel, and there are no fools in the cabinet that I know of.


8 posted on 02/01/2005 6:11:22 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("What are you gonna believe, the media, or your own eyes?" -- Marx .............(Groucho))
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To: the invisib1e hand

I thought she wanted to **** over the Paleostinians.... What a dissapointment that was.... Maybe we should scrap the state department as it exists now, like they did with the War Department after WWII...


9 posted on 02/01/2005 6:28:53 AM PST by Schwaeky (and they will tremble again, at the sound of our silence..)
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10 posted on 02/01/2005 6:40:54 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: SJackson

Ugggh. We all know that it isn't a partion of the land of Israel they are seeking.


11 posted on 02/01/2005 6:44:53 AM PST by hope (GOP: It gets the blue out.)
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To: exit82

"The Palis are up to bat. If they strike out, again, for the millionth time, forget a Pali state."

Right... so it's their last, last last, last, last, last chance.


12 posted on 02/01/2005 6:45:26 AM PST by adam_az (UN out of the US! - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria

Well, I see nuts have been added to Rice Krispies.
13 posted on 02/01/2005 6:50:48 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Convert from ECUSA

What God giveth, Bush taketh away??

Won't work.


14 posted on 02/01/2005 7:00:57 AM PST by Pylot
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To: Convert from ECUSA
This means that Gaza must be connected with a land-line to Judea, effectively dividing Israel in half, north and south of the Gaza-Hevron connection.

Back to Arafat's call (in the 1980s) for a divided "Palestinian" state, "with a corridor in between". Screw that idea, screw the so-called "roadmap", screw the idea of Arab control over two jaws of the vice, and screw Rice for offering it -- for that matter, Bush for telling her to do it, or giving it his imprimatur when she suggested it.
15 posted on 02/01/2005 7:29:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why are we even dictating to a soverign nation--who we are allied with, what their borders should be? Sounds pretty dumb to me...

Puck the Falestinians


16 posted on 02/01/2005 7:33:44 AM PST by Schwaeky (Islam is a Religion of Peace---AND THEY'LL KILL YOU TO PROVE IT!!!!)
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To: Schwaeky
I don't think it's in anyone's interest to ignore the Palestinians. I know some Palestinians, and trust me, they are not all Hamas.

If this administration were given to that sort of thing, it would belie a nature that lacks the sort of depth across the board that we expect, deserve and are thankful for (whether or not we agree with its every manuever).

Statesmanship ain't easy, cuz.

17 posted on 02/01/2005 7:56:33 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("What are you gonna believe, the media, or your own eyes?" -- Marx .............(Groucho))
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To: exit82
I, for one, am sick of anyone making demands on Israel to do anything further. The Palis have done nothing, and expect concession after concession.

This collective anyone making demands never expected anything from paliwogs as history shows.

18 posted on 02/01/2005 7:57:05 AM PST by Words
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19 posted on 02/01/2005 8:57:01 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: adam_az

:'D


20 posted on 02/01/2005 8:57:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: hlmencken3

I remember the words of an article right after Colin Powell got into the same office: on the issue of Israel, as soon as Powell became the chief at the State Deparment it took him about a week to "go native".


21 posted on 02/01/2005 8:59:34 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Once again, the words of the late R. Meir Kahane come to fruition. He predicted exactly that this would happen. In addition, he also said that it would be the Likud would be just as likely to negotiate away the holy land as Labor.


22 posted on 02/01/2005 9:02:02 AM PST by Nachum
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To: adam_az
The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
23 posted on 02/01/2005 9:04:21 AM PST by Jimmyclyde (Dying ain't much of a living boy...)
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To: aruanan
Well, I see nuts have been added to Rice Krispies.

ROFLMAO. That is classic. And apparently so true.

24 posted on 02/01/2005 9:27:15 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Let it be clear and let the record show before G-d and everyone:

Kill enough innocent civilian Jews - men, women and children in the Holy Land through years of genocidal intifadas, and the President of the United States, George W. Bush will lead the world in giving those very same arab and muslim terrorists their own nation as a reward.

What does G-d have in store for the nation and people that would do this against the Jews in the Holy Land?

A homeland nuclear gift from the Religion of Peace. It's coming.

25 posted on 02/01/2005 9:27:54 AM PST by sarah_f (Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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This entire thread is depressing. Not because of what Rice said--all this proves is that Bush is the one setting foreign policy, and it's not some Clinton holdovers writing policy statements.

What depresses me is the instant anti-Rice sentiments. Hey, guys, she's doing her job by reiterating the policy the President we just re-elected has been talking about for four years.

Apparently everyone's forgotten her speech to the State Department career creeps already.


26 posted on 02/01/2005 9:49:26 AM PST by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Looks like our new Secretary of State will follow her predecessor's policies of undermining an ally to appease our enemies. Having a contiguous PLO state with a corridor cutting Israel in half - reminds me of another corridor during the 1919-39 period.

What did you expect? The only way to have a correct policy with regard to Israel is to recognize Israel's G-d, and such a move is not only contrary to all the traditions of Jewish liberals but also to America's constitutional religious neutrality. And I'm afraid with all these attacks conservatives are making on islam for having the unmitigated gall to unite religion and state (not to mention execute adulterers and tear down indecent billboards) I'm not expecting any change soon.

Conservative chr*stians are adopting the same enlightenment attitude towards islam that Orthodox Jews have with regard to chr*stianity. How ironic.

HaShem is G-d. That is not a personal opinion.

27 posted on 02/01/2005 10:04:37 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad `olam.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; Alouette

Dr. Rice has been called many things, but "chr*stian Fundamentalist" was never one of them. Unfortunately!


28 posted on 02/01/2005 10:08:05 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad `olam.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I don't think it's in anyone's interest to ignore the Palestinians. I know some Palestinians, and trust me, they are not all Hamas.

That is impossible what you just said. They're are no Palestinians those Muslims in Israel are Egyptian and Jordanian. And they recently voted for HAMAS overwhelmingly.

29 posted on 02/01/2005 10:16:16 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
One thing to note. By "contiguous", Rice means a highway connecting Gaza and southern Pallieland. Elevated. Israel isn't going to be forced to turn over its land to the Pallies.

Let's see what happens first before Rice is jumped on. If you'll recall the Jenin battle; Bush and Rice let the IDF romp around for an extra 72 hours before pulling back.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

30 posted on 02/01/2005 10:16:23 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Redbob

>Condoleeza Rice - Colon Powell & Jimmy Carter, warmed over.<

Why am I not surprised?


31 posted on 02/01/2005 10:20:10 AM PST by Paperdoll
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Conservative chr*stians are adopting the same enlightenment attitude towards islam that Orthodox Jews have with regard to chr*stianity. How ironic. HaShem is G-d. That is not a personal opinion.

What exactly are you saying?

Conservative Christians are waking up and seeing what Islam is all about. Islam is has no moral values though they like to pretend they do.

Orthodox Jews by the way are for the most part on good terms with Christians. It is the selfhating liberal Jews that hate Christians.

32 posted on 02/01/2005 10:20:13 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: M 91 u2 K
That is impossible what you just said. They're are no Palestinians those Muslims in Israel are Egyptian and Jordanian. And they recently voted for HAMAS overwhelmingly.

.....I see.....

33 posted on 02/01/2005 10:21:18 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("What are you gonna believe, the media, or your own eyes?" -- Marx .............(Groucho))
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To: Redbob
Condoleeza Rice - Colon Powell & Jimmy Carter, warmed over.

Do you really think this is Condoleeza's policy????

She is doing what President Bush wants done.

34 posted on 02/01/2005 10:28:02 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Convert from ECUSA

This attitude is so wrong. Israel should take back ALL of their land to run the Pals off the continent. They can go back to Jordon and Egypt where they belong.


35 posted on 02/01/2005 10:28:41 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: Convert from ECUSA

She is saying and doing exactly what the President wants her to say and do.


36 posted on 02/01/2005 10:29:30 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Convert from ECUSA
This means that Gaza must be connected with a land-line to Judea, effectively dividing Israel in half, north and south of the Gaza-Hevron connection.

That's new.

37 posted on 02/01/2005 10:35:23 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexasTaysor
This attitude is so wrong. Israel should take back ALL of their land to run the Pals off the continent. They can go back to Jordon and Egypt where they belong.

What if the Pals don't want to go?

38 posted on 02/01/2005 10:36:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I'm sure they don't "want" to go.....but what do they have where they are? Nothing.....they've been filled with hate and had their money stolen from them, they live in poverty and have no jobs unless they get to work in Israel. Arafat stole the money and did nothing to build an infastructure like Israel did. If they would work at that instead of using their energy to kill Jews and try to take over Israels land, they would have something to work with. As it is, they have nothing where they are.


39 posted on 02/01/2005 10:44:15 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: sarah_f
What does G-d have in store for the nation and people that would do this against the Jews in the Holy Land?

Ezekiel 38:18 "And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," says the Lord GOD, "that My fury will show in My face.

The Madrid Framework

Inaugurated at the
MADRID CONFERENCE
October 30 - November 1, 1991

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/madrid1.html

The Perfect Storm October 30, 1991, November 1, 1991
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/satellite/satelliteseye/cyclones/pfctstorm91/pfctstorm.html

The Real Perfect Storm
http://www.uscg.mil/news/PerfectStorm/Realstorm.html

‘When Gog comes against the land’ / Palestinian State…

The Gog wars are the wars of George…and there’s Lot’s more…

40 posted on 02/01/2005 10:58:37 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr (T.O.E. = Unification = Echad!)
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To: TexasTaysor
As it is, they have nothing where they are.

And will have nothing where you would have them go. So why should they leave just because Israel tells them to?

41 posted on 02/01/2005 11:04:41 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Gaza is one thing, as the Philistia of old. But...

No Arab state in Eretz Yisrael. EVER!

42 posted on 02/01/2005 11:17:46 AM PST by onedoug
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To: M 91 u2 K
What exactly are you saying?

I'm merely saying that thanks to islam devout chr*stians are attacking "theocracy" and celebrating "freedom of religion" when ultimately there is no such thing. The problem with "islamic theocracy" (as with "chr*stian theocracy" or any other non-kosher variety) is that it's the wrong religion. And considering that Torah enjoins the death penalty for adultery (granted, only if a large number of contingencies are met) and permits a man to have more than one wife at a time, some of the enlightenment, anti-theocracy rhetoric is getting to me, is all. I attack islam for a number of reasons, but "theocracy" and its incompatibility with the "enlightenment" aren't among them.

I am happy that Orthodox Jews get along well with chr*stians. It's just that in the past Orthodox Jews have forgotten their own Theocratic heritage in order to invoke the "enlightenment" against chr*stians, as both chr*stians and Jews now do with regard to islam.

And Kahana' was right. I don't think you and I have anything to quarrel about.

43 posted on 02/01/2005 11:17:46 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad `olam.)
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To: section9
Let's see what happens first before Rice is jumped on. If you'll recall the Jenin battle; Bush and Rice let the IDF romp around for an extra 72 hours before pulling back.

I didn't mean to "jump on" her. And it isn't just her, either. The United States of America is a secular state that does not officially recognize Israel's G-d or Israel as anything but just another friendly country. And all these Fundamentalist Protestants and Orthodox Jews who think otherwise are going to be bitterly disappointed every single time.

Being a primitive, bloodthirsty, neanderthal religious type (and not "indigenous" enough to get away with it), I'm not interested in any secular version of "peace and democracy." I'm waitin' for the Temple, y'all. Or as the old lady said, "Honey, when the Kohen Gadol see a red heifer, he gwine sacrifice it."

44 posted on 02/01/2005 11:22:48 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad `olam.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

if the pals ever get to the point where israel has to do this,well things will be alot better off then today,my $$ is on the palestinians"never missing an oppurtunity to miss an oppurtunity" once again


45 posted on 02/01/2005 11:31:29 AM PST by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I don't think you and I have anything to quarrel about.

Im not looking for a quarrel and your right we dont have anything to quarrel about.

I was just trying to clear things up.

46 posted on 02/01/2005 11:31:44 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

When you join the State Department do you have to check your brain at the door?


47 posted on 02/01/2005 1:12:28 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; jocon307; NYC GOP Chick

Exactly.

Disappointment ping!


48 posted on 02/01/2005 1:42:56 PM PST by Tabi Katz
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To: Words

True words, Words, the palis seem to always "get" without "giving".

All those lopsided prisoner exchanges over the years come to mind as an example.


49 posted on 02/01/2005 4:17:56 PM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Bahbah

Agreed. Israel has done more than enough. The wall is a good thing.


50 posted on 02/01/2005 4:19:12 PM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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