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Immigration Reform - So Few Words, So Much Meaning
My Own Thoughts | 02/02/2005 | doughtyone

Posted on 02/02/2005 11:06:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne

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To: bayourod
We need immigrant laborers to replace our retiring population.

Or we could stop killing our children.

81 posted on 02/03/2005 5:47:07 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: DoughtyOne
It didn't end with the Bracero program either. As Victor Davis Hanson points out many of those people would not leave either. Facts! The Fresno area has very high unemployment of immigrants already, what will bring more in do?

Besides insulting American workers, no one is making the connection as to how much this continued invasion will totally overwhelm all the cherished institutions that Pres. Bush is attempting to preserve - Social Security, Health Care and Education. Connect the dots. It's compassion run a muck.

Where does the money come from?

The fraud will bankrupt the country and nothing mentioned in SOTU speech cut back any of the government's waste at all. The is no fiscal concervatism here at all, just the opposite. Did Pres. Bush catch this disease from Clinton?

82 posted on 02/03/2005 5:55:51 AM PST by flamefront (Not to enforce the borders is to be complicit with those who would destroy the national identity.)
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To: Marine Inspector
"Or we could stop killing our children."

Hummm.......now there's an original idea!

I wonder if that would work?

83 posted on 02/03/2005 5:56:55 AM PST by TexasCowboy (Ignorance is temporary and correctible; stupidity is voluntary and permanent)
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To: bayourod; NoControllingLegalAuthority
Which wages?

Mine [airline], of which several departments have already been outsourced inside the US to minimum wage workers, the Spanish International desk has been outsourced to an office IN Mexico [putting legal Spanish speaking hispanics out of work ironically enough], and now another department is undergoing a "new home-based worker" program that is hiring people off the street with no money and no benefits..the beginning of the end for the rest of us.
[I guess now that the manufacturing is gone, customer service is the next target.] "JobsAmericansWon'tDoIsALIE!" [Jobs that increase the bottom line is what it is all about. Prices and the cost of living keep going up, and wages go down. Who wins? The bottom line..except it isn't OUR bottom line. Our balance sheets go further into the red as wages get cut and the cost of living goes up.]
Follow the money for the reason why this agenda is being pushed so hard. It isn't about "jobsamericanswontdo" or "doingwhatisright" or any of the other bleeding heart phrases.

They provide essential services.

They "provide" nothing, and take away from you and me. I could write a book on this; in fact, it has been done.

Bush has proposed a guest worker program that would eliminate illegal labors.

I love your logic. I could declare all felons in prisons as "guest citizens" and set them free. What would change besides the nomenclature? Logic of a fool. [Oh yes, if Buchanan supports it, then it is automatically bad out of hand?]

we need them and they need us..

You got half of it right.

84 posted on 02/03/2005 6:10:04 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie
...or any of the other bleeding heart phrases.

If I went back and checked your posts, how many bleeding heart phrases might I find? Why, I bet if I looked hard enough in this post alone (the one that I'm relying to), I could find some here as well...

Would you look at that, I am correct!

85 posted on 02/03/2005 6:22:57 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Excellent.


87 posted on 02/03/2005 6:38:04 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: bayourod

Never mind that you call anyone who wants the illegal alien problem solved in a different manner than you a racist.

That's your defense mechanism, we all know it.


88 posted on 02/03/2005 6:41:34 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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Stop the BS bayourod.

No one here thinks all Hispanics are criminals and you know it.

But since you want to bring crime and race to the front of the pack, let’s take a look at it.

Whites are the majority of Americans, yet whites commit the least amount of crime.

Blacks and Hispanics are the two largest minorities, yet, together they commit approximately 90% of the crime in this country.

Why is that bayourod?

Now let’s look at illegal immigration.

Mexicans are approximately 95% of the illegal population and other Hispanics boost that number to approximately 99%. That leaves 1% for the rest of the world.

Of course that one is easy to figure out, Mexico is right next door.

Now, very few people care about the race of the illegal alien; it's not about race, it's about crime and the cost of that criminal activity.

Now if you wish to keep bring race into the argument fine, I'll keep pointing out that Hispanics commit more crime then whites, a fact you argue with.

Let’s look at the Texas top ten most wanted; 9 Hispanics and a Black; Very telling.

LAPD’s top ten is the same. New York’s top 25 is split about 50/50 Black and Hispanic.


89 posted on 02/03/2005 7:00:48 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: bayourod; DoughtyOne
Often one company will buy another company for no other reason than to get its employees. Being from California you should be aware of this since it was rampant in silicone valley in the 90s.

This is the funniest argument in support of illegal immigration you've made yet, Bay. Thanks for the chuckle.

90 posted on 02/03/2005 7:01:11 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: skeeter

This is the funniest argument in support of illegal immigration you've made yet, Bay. Thanks for the chuckle.>>>>>>>

You must have missed this one.......'rods' reason Toyota built in Tijuana rather than CA......

"That plant would have paid a lot of taxes if Bush's guest worker program had been operative and they could have legally hired 700 laborers currently living and working in California illegally."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331487/posts


'rod' just loves all that CHEEEP labor building all those CHEEEP houses in his 3 MILLION dollar neighborhood, that he says he posting from.........:o)


91 posted on 02/03/2005 7:28:12 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: politeia

WOW! What a great post! Thank you!


92 posted on 02/03/2005 7:29:05 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: txdoda
"That plant would have paid a lot of taxes if Bush's guest worker program had been operative and they could have legally hired 700 laborers currently living and working in California illegally."

Toyota must've chose TJ because of Mexico's stringent anti-trust laws.

Otherwise Ford might have swept in to snap up all those valuable labor resources.

93 posted on 02/03/2005 7:52:16 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: DoughtyOne

An outstanding post !


94 posted on 02/03/2005 7:58:00 AM PST by jimt
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To: skeeter
Toyota must've chose TJ because of Mexico's stringent anti-trust laws.

Yeah, TJ such nice community, their reporting *only* MORE than 30 murders since the new year (on Jan 29th).

Sad to hear 'rod' reporting there's not 700 *legal* workers to be found in S. CA anymore.

/all sarcasm

95 posted on 02/03/2005 8:10:40 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: DoughtyOne

Nicely done.


96 posted on 02/03/2005 8:15:08 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: LowCountryJoe; bayourod

Good observation. I was a general contractor (a partner in a medium size 2/4 mil annual billings)
The wages are less now than they were 20 years ago, While some may cheer that, to me as a builder it represents a smaller customer base.


97 posted on 02/03/2005 8:34:28 AM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: DoughtyOne

I've got a great name for Bush's "guest worker" program - "No American Worker Left Employed" Act. Think I ought to send my idea to the White House? :)


98 posted on 02/03/2005 8:50:34 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: DoughtyOne

Good post.

You give Bush more credit than I do. It is my opinion that CFR is the reason that this illegal immigration was not brought up during the campaign. Even on FR we were basicallly warned not to speak of it.

Being that I am from Texas, I can see first hand that California is NOT the only place that panders to illegals. In Houston 80% of all the children in the public school system are on free lunches or subsidized lunches. Down here in the valley where the unemployment rate is in the double digits, all the children get free lunches (a subsidy from the American taxpayer). Another subsidy that you people of California and the rest of the US is paying is our health care. The American taxpayer pays 75% to 80% of all the health care in the valley of south Texas.


99 posted on 02/03/2005 8:54:05 AM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: DoughtyOne; mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ZeitgeistSurfer; ...

"I am very unhappy that I have to address this issue. I shouldn't have to at all, but this issue is important enough that I am going to address it continuously until the issue is resolved, the policies I cannot endorse are changed to protect this nation. That should be our overriding concern here. It is mine."

You have expressed the thoughts of most of us. Thanks.


100 posted on 02/03/2005 9:15:43 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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