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Immigration Reform - So Few Words, So Much Meaning
My Own Thoughts | 02/02/2005 | doughtyone

Posted on 02/02/2005 11:06:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne

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To: bayourod; All

" This is just one example of many problems that people blame on Bush instead "

Bay, is he going to support Sensenbrenner's Real ID act? NO!

If it should pass the house will it get through the senate? PROBABLY NOT!!

If it should get passed in the Senate, will Pres. Bush sign it??? HELL, no!


101 posted on 02/03/2005 9:19:00 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I'm thinking of two big old concrete walls about 50 yards apart, with a mined "no man's land" in between and razor wire up top. Oh, and devices underground that can detect tunneling.

This would be ideal for the US-Mexico border. Might give some of the illegals a second thought...


102 posted on 02/03/2005 9:56:59 AM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: lawdog
...even Rushbo has realized it's a major problem.

Rush has changed his tune lately.

I caught a bit of last Friday's replay on my local station, Rush touch briefly on the subject, he no longer thinks the cheap labor is worth all the costs to Americans born of it. He now realizes that wages for Americans are being depressed across whole industries.

I hope to hear on future shows more from Rush on the havoc being wreaked by the Illegals. [I usually am too busy at work to pay much attention but I do try to listen]

103 posted on 02/03/2005 9:58:07 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: DoughtyOne; Marine Inspector

Great post.

I intend to send it to the White House. Maybe if they get enough of these, they will begin to recognize that Americans are just not going to go for this overrun of our Country, and an amnesty by another name.

I'm certain the bayourod person will show up - s/he always does. Since they are unconvincible, I suggest you ignore their posts, as s/he seems resistant to any reasoned, logical argument and I've read their position on so many threads, I don't even read what s/he writes anymore. Seen it once - don't need to see it again. Drivel, all of it.

I think Sabertooth had the best idea on this. Create a bounty for each illegal alien turned into INS (or whatever it is called these days.) He noted that following 9/11, there was an announced push to find and return home all those Pakistani's who had overstayed their Visas, or were here illegally, whatever the mechanism. Pakistanis took themselves home in droves. IIRC, some 4000 Pakistanis took themselves right out of America and returned to Pakistan.

Therefore, having seen the effectiveness of a bounty, why don't we do the same thing with any illegals?

And before anyone asks. Yes, I have called the INS to report illegal aliens, some who even showed up to roof my house here in No. VA. Right up front they told me how overworked and understaffed they were, and that they'd really like to follow-up, blah, blah, blah - nothing is going to happen.


104 posted on 02/03/2005 10:03:39 AM PST by TruthNtegrity
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To: politeia

Applause!


105 posted on 02/03/2005 10:09:00 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: DoughtyOne

Don't argue with bayourod. He either owns business's that employ illegal aliens or he's one himself. He will argue with you forever and never listen to what the people want. Hey, maybe he's a politician! At any rate, don't waste your time. He's hopeless and will never change his views any more than the 90% of us who disagree with him will change ours.

Great post!


106 posted on 02/03/2005 10:11:00 AM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

". He's hopeless and will never change his views any more than the 90% of us who disagree with him will change ours. "

The problem is 2/3 of our elected officials agree with him and could care less about the 90% of us and our "culture". They're all feeding from the trough of illegal immigration and the poor trying to get in and the rest of us are their pawns. Must make him feel warm and fuzzy all over.


107 posted on 02/03/2005 10:17:46 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Lurker; Viet-Boat-Rider; Little Ray; tom paine 2; Squantos; Monkey Face; ShuShu; VeniVidiVici; ...

Must read.


Humor break:


More email Cow Humor

PURE DEMOCRACY You have two cows. Your neighbours decide who gets the milk.

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY You have two cows. Politicians decide who gets the milk.

AMERICAN DEMOCRACY You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point that you have to sell both. Your tax is used to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was originally one of yours, a free gift from your government.

BRITISH DEMOCRACY You have two cows. You feed them sheep brains and they go mad. The government does nothing.


LIBERTARIANISM (USA) You have two cows. One has actually read the constitution, believes in it, and has some really good ideas about government. The cow runs for office, and while most people agree that the cow is the best candidate, nobody except the other cow votes for her because they think it would be "throwing their vote away."


108 posted on 02/03/2005 10:21:12 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: DoughtyOne
In the immortal words of General George S. Patton:

"You magnificent bastard!"

D1, you have honestly and thoughtfully articulated on those points of this critical debate what many of us believe with our own eyes and eyes and hearts.

A viable solution to the issue should be a priority for the President, because it certainly is a priority for America's citizens.

I challenge those who disagree with your point-by-point assessment to refute your observations with tangiable evidence to the contrary.

109 posted on 02/03/2005 10:21:45 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: bayourod
"Do you really believe that Hispanics are criminals?"

If they're in the United States illegally, aren't they??

110 posted on 02/03/2005 10:22:50 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: DoughtyOne

bump


111 posted on 02/03/2005 10:25:28 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: LowCountryJoe
"...appears on the surface that the outcry against this is motivated by selfishness, anger, and a whole lot of xenophobia - none of which are feelings that a Christian in a state of grace should have. Yet, many of you who express these things are the most vocal about your Christianity"

How Christian is it to break through barriers (law and borders) and rob your neighbor? How Christian is it to take money from your hard working tax paying citizens to prop up the corruption emanating south of us? How Christian is it to allow the corrupt narco-traficing govt. to our south continue to drive out their own people from their own land? Jesus said to protect the poor and helpless, yet, vicente and crew go on, secure in knowing they've got people like you to protect them. After all, they're not the problem, it's those selfish lazy Americans fault, right?

The mexican govt. is not only totally corrupt, they're marxists. Yet, you say it's not "Christian" and it's racist if we resist rolling over for it? Nuts!

112 posted on 02/03/2005 10:29:02 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: DoughtyOne

That's where the real problem lies. Mexico is a socialist, narco oligarchy of elites. We need to cut off all foreign iad to them and start billing them for all the services we are providing until they reform the country and allow real capitalism


114 posted on 02/03/2005 10:35:08 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: monkeywrench; All

Here's what Michelle Malkin has to say about the speech last night:


On immigration, Bush offered the usual platitudes:

America's immigration system is also outdated -- unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hard-working people who want only to provide for their families, and deny businesses willing workers, and invite chaos at our border. It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take, that rejects amnesty, that tells us who is entering and leaving our country, and that closes the border to drug dealers and terrorists.

No recognition at all here from Bush that the vast majority of Americans favor stricter immigration enforcement against both "willing" employers who have put profits over national security and the willful illegal alien lawbreakers they are employing. No word of support for House Republican efforts to push for secure identification and asylum reform. Even Hillary would have done better.

www.michellemalkin.com


115 posted on 02/03/2005 10:38:11 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: DoughtyOne

Outstanding analysis!

To All: please don't obliterate the traitor - I regard him as a valuable whetstone.


116 posted on 02/03/2005 10:38:31 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first (because we earned it)
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To: John Locke
Thanks for the Singapore link. However, there were a lot of gaps in the article, necessary I guess for such a short article. This was one significant difference:

Zaleha’s normal work routine begins with recording statements by the accused. Once that is done, she will prepare the necessary court documents for the following morning when the crime sentence will be meted out in court. On busy days, the GIT can handle up to 40 cases a day.

Not surprisingly, there is plenty of legwork involved. A typical day of an investigator would entail visiting an accused in prison,....

That is pretty rapid turnover, indicating a lot of work had already been done to get to that stage.

However, I assume that Singapore was on this problem from the start, giving them a procedure and a process, along with public support, to make this a pretty routine endeavor. That means they never faced what we did in this country, that being the purposeful and concentrated effort by a corrupt administration to encourage and make easy a massive influx of illegals across our borders in order to convert them into Democrat voters so as to assure reelection, even bypassing FBI checks for those who were going through the legal process. Of course, I am talking about the Clinton/Gore administration. After that, attempting to get a handle on this problem is much more difficult. Had it not been for the Clinton administration we would not be in the situation we are. Had they resisted illegals and gone to the lengths we are now demanding of Bush, perhaps we would be in the same position as Singapore. Instead they handicapped the INS and other agencies and gave direct orders to bypass certain procedures.

117 posted on 02/03/2005 11:27:10 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Missouri
"BTW, Bayourod. Any input on what Huckleberry said about this bill to cut off state aid to illegals? "

I made my comments several days ago when I posted the original article from the Arkansas Gazette. Where do you think worldnetdailey picked it up?

I'm not a resident of Arkansas. The residents can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with any of my rights.

But if FReepers from Arkansas start blaming Bush for any problems that they have created or fail to solve, I reserve the right to point out to them that it ain't Bush's fault.

118 posted on 02/03/2005 11:33:15 AM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
I'm thinking of two big old concrete walls about 50 yards apart, with a mined "no man's land" in between and razor wire up top. Oh, and devices underground that can detect tunneling.

No doubt that would work. However, what about the beaches and all those expensive beach front properties? We have difficulty getting political support for much less extensive measures. After all, the Dems see the illegals as probable voters and a reliable disenfranchised welfare constituency so they are for it.

Those in the concrete business would love it, though.

119 posted on 02/03/2005 11:35:28 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: CONSERVE
"Yes and they all learned English and did not expect companies and schools to teach Spanish to accommodate them "

Hispanics learn English as fast as any other wave of immigrants did. It's difficult for adults to learn a new language. The ones in the workforce learn what they need to do their jobs. The young children pick it up fast, same as other immigrants.

Schools are not for the benefit of the parents or the kids. They are for the benefit of our entire community and state.

We educate them so they can be productive taxpayers. Texas has one of the best programs for vocational education. Our large pool of workplace ready employees is one reason we were just rated the most favorable state in which to locate a business.

Businesses pay the vast majority of taxes, not average individuals. Maybe that's why we have a $6.5 Billion surplus.

120 posted on 02/03/2005 11:50:11 AM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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