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SENATOR KERRY ASKED TO SIGN RECORDS RELEASE FORM
Judicial Watch ^ | 2/2/05 | Press Release

Posted on 02/03/2005 8:34:44 AM PST by pookie18

SENATOR KERRY ASKED TO SIGN RECORDS RELEASE FORM

Watchdog Asks Kerry to Keep His Word Concerning Signing Standard Form 180

Kerry's Opportunity to Release Full Naval Service Record to the American People

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today asked Senator John F. Kerry to keep his word to the American public and sign a Standard Form 180 (SF 180), "Request Pertaining to Military Records." On Sunday, January 30, 2005, during an appearance on the NBC News show "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert asked Senator Kerry (three times) if he would sign an SF 180 and release all of his military records. On the third attempt Senator Kerry answered Mr. Russert plainly:

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.

In a letter hand delivered to Senator Kerry's office, Judicial Watch asked him to execute the SF 180 immediately and thereby put to rest the controversies surrounding his service as a U.S. Navy officer.

Judicial Watch requested release of Senator Kerry's military service records under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act ("FOIA"). Navy Personnel Command withheld thirty-one (31) pages of documents because Senator Kerry refused to sign an SF 180 and release them to the public. The records pertained to: "Personnel service jackets and service records, correspondence and records in both automated and non-automated form concerning classification, assignment, distribution, promotion, advancement, performance, recruiting, retention, reenlistment, separation, training, education, morale, personal affairs, benefits, entitlements, discipline and administration of naval personnel."

"Senator Kerry has yet to come clean with the American people," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "We hope he will finally keep his promise to release his military records."

Much of the information concerning Sen. Kerry's questionable awards for valor, and allegations concerning his actions both on Active Duty and as an Inactive Naval Reserve officer was detailed in the best-selling book "Unfit for Command," by John E. O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi, PhD.


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KEYWORDS: form180; judicialwatch; kerry; kerry180; kerryisaschmuck; militaryrecord; sf180
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1 posted on 02/03/2005 8:34:44 AM PST by pookie18
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To: pookie18

His pen is out of ink. His wife has his pen. He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV.


2 posted on 02/03/2005 8:35:33 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The Democratic Party would make Uncle Joe Stalin Proud!)
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To: pookie18
MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY (crossing his fingers behind his back): Yes, I will.

3 posted on 02/03/2005 8:36:08 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: RetiredArmy
His pen is out of ink. His wife has his pen. He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV.

He signed it on Christmas, back in Cambodia...

4 posted on 02/03/2005 8:36:52 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: frogjerk

Kerry MEANT to add "when pigs fly"


5 posted on 02/03/2005 8:37:15 AM PST by marty60
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To: pookie18
I can forgive Tim Russert for a lot for bulldogging Kerry into making a clear statement on national TV that he would sign a SF180.

SO9

6 posted on 02/03/2005 8:37:20 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: RetiredArmy
His pen is out of ink. His wife has his pen. He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV.

He gave his "lucky pen" to a CIA agent while delivering arms to the Khmer Rouge.

7 posted on 02/03/2005 8:37:32 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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To: atomicpossum
"I signed it before I didn't sign it"
8 posted on 02/03/2005 8:37:43 AM PST by CT CONSERVATIVE (Fight Crime: Shoot Back)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

PING!!!


9 posted on 02/03/2005 8:38:09 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: pookie18

The hamster, that he gave mouth-to-mouth to, ate the pen!


10 posted on 02/03/2005 8:40:00 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: pookie18

Kerry: I agreed to sign it before I decided not to sign it!


11 posted on 02/03/2005 8:40:28 AM PST by txkev
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To: Servant of the 9

I thought Kerry left himself some weasel room and said he'd sign it only after he knew what was in it?


12 posted on 02/03/2005 8:41:37 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: pookie18

Absolutely! Keep the pressure on this twit. He made his record a campaign issue and it's now time to come clean. He and demoncRATS put the pressure on da Bushman; turnabout is fair play. RELEASE THOSE RECORDS, sKERRY!


13 posted on 02/03/2005 8:41:39 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: pookie18
Let's assume he does sign it (I know, that is a biggggg stretch), so what are our best guesses as to what we will find in it?

Here is mine:

He received an 'other than honorable' discharge, which was later upgraded as a result of political favoritism.

This information will end any speculation that he will ever run for the Presidency again (as if).

14 posted on 02/03/2005 8:41:40 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("One day Pilgrim, there will be a knock on the door...." - Paul Lazarro)
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To: RetiredArmy
His pen is out of ink. His wife has his pen. He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV.

In his family's SUV. He doesn't own one. His family does.

15 posted on 02/03/2005 8:42:59 AM PST by Zebra
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To: pookie18



I voted for the 87 Billion BEfore I voted against it


16 posted on 02/03/2005 8:43:07 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: pookie18

BUMP!


17 posted on 02/03/2005 8:43:44 AM PST by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: pookie18

Anybody want to tell me why Russert didn't have the form on him?


18 posted on 02/03/2005 8:44:08 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: lilylangtree



Is he signing to release his records before he signs against them?


19 posted on 02/03/2005 8:44:18 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: pookie18

Where was Russert, BEFORE the election?


20 posted on 02/03/2005 8:44:53 AM PST by Tensgrrl
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To: pookie18

MR. RUSSERT: Many people who've been criticizing you have said: Senator, if you would just do one thing and that is sign Form 180, which would allow historians and journalists complete access to all your military records. Thus far, you have gotten the records, released them through your campaign. They say you should not be the filter. Sign Form 180 and let the historians...

SEN. KERRY: I'd be happy to put the records out. We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren't even relevant to the record. So when we get--I'm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn't in the record and we'll put it out. I have no problem with that.

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: But everything, Tim...

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will. But everything that we put in it, Tim--everything we put in--I mean, everything that was out was a full documentation of all of the medical records, all of the fitness reports. And I'd call on those who have challenged me, let's see their records. I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasn't been appropriate...

MR. RUSSERT: So they should sign Form 180s for themselves as well?

SEN. KERRY: You bet.


21 posted on 02/03/2005 8:44:55 AM PST by angkor
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To: Rebelbase
"I thought Kerry left himself some weasel room and said he'd sign it only after he knew what was in it?"

He needs to send Sandy berger in to review it for him. (And remove all damaging items from the file with another pants stuffing routine.)

22 posted on 02/03/2005 8:45:08 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: AmishDude



Russert is much better than the rest of the left wing media- and he does have his moments,

but sometimes he holds back, I don't know why.


23 posted on 02/03/2005 8:45:29 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: Michael.SF.
My thoughts also.

The next question to be asked Kerry: "When will you sign it?"

24 posted on 02/03/2005 8:45:54 AM PST by Dante3
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To: pookie18

He knows that the information contained in them will force the rest of the Senate to remove him from office.


25 posted on 02/03/2005 8:46:36 AM PST by tertiary01 (Let's start now to unFreud our culture)
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To: 506trooper

PING!!!


26 posted on 02/03/2005 8:47:47 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: pookie18

27 posted on 02/03/2005 8:47:55 AM PST by maggief
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Radix; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; Bethbg79; ...

skerry SF 180 ping


28 posted on 02/03/2005 8:48:44 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for," - Howard Dean 01/29/2005)
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To: pookie18

Is it possible that he has purged the file?


29 posted on 02/03/2005 8:49:11 AM PST by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947, except about Hillary.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

bump


30 posted on 02/03/2005 8:49:30 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: RetiredArmy

"His pen is out of ink. His wife has his pen. He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV."

Correction:"...in his FAMILY'S SUV!" Also, he was delivering weapons to the Khamer Rouge who had yet to form in 1968 but Senator Jacques never let a fact get in the way of his lying.


31 posted on 02/03/2005 8:49:44 AM PST by jackieaxe (CBS must think we are all dumb)
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To: Michael.SF.

Its hard to believe that in this day and age a man can run for the highest office and not release medical records or info about his service in war. Thats something most men would be proud to release even if they were not on the front line and the record was not so hot. At least they served and did a decent job. Kerry has some serious issues on his record and thats why he will not release them just like slick never released medical records but the MSM and the dems went ballistic on W and he had to release everything.


32 posted on 02/03/2005 8:50:29 AM PST by winodog (I am gonna stop calling them liberals. They are humanists. Liberal is actually a good word)
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To: Michael.SF.

we all know this is true... it's been reported here many times...

nikos


33 posted on 02/03/2005 8:51:03 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: pookie18

You honestly don't think that this lying, traitorous, treasonous, crybaby is actually going to keep his word do you? That would mean he had some inkling of what the word "honor" meant.


34 posted on 02/03/2005 8:51:14 AM PST by Hu Gadarn (Millions for Defense not one cent in Tribute)
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To: Servant of the 9

SO9,

I would be much more impressed with Tim if he had whipped an SF180 out when Kerry agreed...

Now that would have been nice... {dream mode on...}


35 posted on 02/03/2005 8:51:16 AM PST by pgyanke (The profit motive is the driving force of freedom.)
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To: pookie18
Student Head Explodes
36 posted on 02/03/2005 8:51:40 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: angkor; pookie18

Everyone's ignoring the escape hatch Kerry included:

> "And I'd call on those who have challenged me,
> let's see their records."

Of course, he didn't name "those", so even if O'Neill
and all the signers of the letter in UFC release their
SF-180s, JfK will find someone else who hasn't.

And if "those" folks are smart, they won't submit
their signed 180s until Kerry does.

He won't sign, but at least he's finally been confronted
on it by the lamestream media.


37 posted on 02/03/2005 8:52:17 AM PST by Boundless
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To: Rebelbase
"SEN. KERRY: I'd be happy to put the records out. We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren't even relevant to the record. So when we get--I'm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn't in the record and we'll put it out. I have no problem with that."
I guess a weasel always leaves himself some weasel room.
"New and Improved" documents are what will be turned out, if anything.
38 posted on 02/03/2005 8:52:30 AM PST by kc2theline (Support our troops and the CIC that sends them to defend us.)
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To: maggiefluffs

Dang; I was so hopeful until I saw the words "Judicial Watch."


39 posted on 02/03/2005 8:53:05 AM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: pookie18

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.

MR. RUSSERT: Thank you Senator.

SEN. KERRY: Now remember Tim, don't ask that question when the camera is on okay.

MR. RUSSERT: Um, it is already on Senator.

SEN. KERRY: oh oh! I meant to say its none of your business!

MR. RUSSERT: Senator, that is so wrong but considering you're a Democrat we have to give you a pass on that one.


40 posted on 02/03/2005 8:53:30 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: angkor

Ummmmm They are not running for the highest office in the land are they Mr kerry? I bet they will be released and much will be omitted so he can say I told you so.


41 posted on 02/03/2005 8:55:03 AM PST by winodog (I am gonna stop calling them liberals. They are humanists. Liberal is actually a good word)
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To: Servant of the 9
"I can forgive Tim Russert for a lot for bulldogging Kerry into making a clear statement on national TV that he would sign a SF180."

Really?

Tiny Tim was looking for many to do just that.

Russert knows, as any sane person does, that Kerry is finished as far as any future presidential consideration goes, except perhaps in his [kerry's] delusional mind.

Tiny was simply trying to reposition himself to look like a good guy to the "in crowd".

The Form 180 questions were merely Tiny pulling the sheep over your wool.

42 posted on 02/03/2005 8:55:17 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: OldEagle

"Is it possible that he has purged the file?"

I would say probable. Why you might ask?

1)President Carter
2)President Clinton


43 posted on 02/03/2005 8:55:38 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Grateful Heart Tour 2005)
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To: nikos1121
That does not make it true. Until it is confirmed it is based on speculation. Well founded speculation, yes, but speculation none the less.
44 posted on 02/03/2005 8:55:45 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("One day Pilgrim, there will be a knock on the door...." - Paul Lazarro)
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To: Michael.SF.
I'll bet anything he'll never sign his Form 180. If it had been honorable he would have waved his records higher than the flag all during the months before Now.2, and particularly after the Swift Boat vets went after him.

In that Meet the Press interview he did say he'd sign the 180 form. But he was also hedging, saying that he'd released already EVERY record that he'd been given. So who knows what excuse he'll come up with, but we won't see his full military records, IMHO.

45 posted on 02/03/2005 8:56:53 AM PST by xJones
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To: All



Col. Geo. "Bud" Day Medal of Honor Vietnam POW 1967-1973 USMC - USA Attorney 1949-2004-

Dear Joe: The major issue in the Swiftboat stories is, and always has been,
what John Kerry did in 1971 after he returned from Vietnam.

Kerry cast a long dark shadow over all Vietnam Veterans with his outright perjury before the Senate concerning atrocities in Vietnam. His stories to the Senate committee were absolute lies.. fabrications.. perjury.. fantasies, with NO substance. That dark shadow has defamed the entire Vietnam War veteran population, and gave "Aid and Comfort" to our enemies..the Vietnamese Communists. Kerry's stories were outright fabrications, and were intended for political gain with the radical left..McGovern, Teddy and Bobby Kennedy followers, Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and the radical left who fantasized that George McGovern was going to be elected in 1972. Little wonder that returning soldiers from Vietnam were spit upon and castigated as "baby killers".
A returned war hero said so.

Kerry cut a dashing figure as a war hero, lots of medals, and returned home because of multiple war wounds..even a silver star. His Senate testimony confirmed what every hippie had been chanting on the streets.."Hey hey LBJ..How many kids did you kill today"?????
He obviously was running for political office in 1971.

Until Lt. John O' Neil, himself a Swifboat commander, spoke out before the 1972 elections against Kerry's outright deceptions, there was no one from the Swiftboat scene that could contradict Kerry's self serving lies.

I was a POW of the Vietnamese in Hanoi in 1971, and I am aware that the testimony of John Kerry, the actions of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden, and the radical left; all caused the commies to conclude that if they hung on..they would win. North Vietnamese General Bui Tin commented that every day the Communist leadership listened to world news over the radio to follow the growth of the anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark gave them confidence to hold in the face of battlefield reverses.
The guts of it was that propaganda from the anti-war group was part of their combat strategy.

While the Commies were hanging on, innumerable U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Air Foce members were being killed in combat.

Every battle wound to Americans after Kerry's misdirected testimony is related to Kerry's untruthfulness.

John Kerry contributed to every one of these deaths with his lies about U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.



He likewise defamed the U.S. with our allies and supporters.

His conduct also extended the imprisonment of the Vietnam Prisoners of War, of which I was one.

I am certain of at least one POW death after his testimony,
which might have been prevented with an earlier release of the POWs.


I draw a direct comparison of General Benedict Arnold of the Revolutionary War, to Lieutenant John Kerry. Both went off to war, fought, and then turned against their country. General Arnold crossed over to the British for money and position. John Kerry crossed over to the Vietnamese with his assistance to the anti-war movement, and his direct liason with the Vietnamese diplomats in Paris.
His reward. Political gain. Senator..United States.

“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW


U.S. Constitution Amendment XIV

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress,
or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any state legislature,
or as an executive or judicial officer of any state,
to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


Violation of 18 US CODE 2381

TREASON
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States,
levies war against them or adheres to their enemies,
giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
under this title but not less than $10,000;
and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


Violation of 18 US CODE 953

Private correspondence with foreign governments
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States,
directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse
with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,
with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government
or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply,
himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents
thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained
from such government or any of its agents or subjects.


Violation of UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104

AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or
communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

46 posted on 02/03/2005 9:03:38 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (I served in Viet Nam Oct'68-Apr'69 I'm a war criminal, Hanoi Kerry is a hero AND a US Senator)
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To: RetiredArmy

"His pen is out of ink. His wife has his pen. He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV."

-Correction: His wife's er his family's SUV.


47 posted on 02/03/2005 9:04:49 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: pookie18

Kerry also said in the spring of 2004 on MTP with Russert that he would sign the 180 and release all his records.

Then, as with the most current MTP interview, Kerry hedged and said 'all the records he had received have been released on his website.' Kerry is nuancing -- 'all the records he had received' -- implies that Kerry has NOT requested that ALL records be made available to him, but ONLY ones he requested have been made available.

How many more dance rounds will Russert and MSM go before they insist that Kerry finally sign 180 and quit the nuancing and hedging?


48 posted on 02/03/2005 9:05:29 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Thanks for the Ping.


49 posted on 02/03/2005 9:06:48 AM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: RetiredArmy
His pen is out of ink. His wife has his pen. He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV.

All wrong. His pen is in the garden of his Aunt.

50 posted on 02/03/2005 9:07:17 AM PST by Grut
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