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VANITY - Is John McCain foreign-born??
2/3/05 | RockinRight

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:53:49 AM PST by RockinRight

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To: jude24

Not saying it should. I was just curious as to the situation.


21 posted on 02/03/2005 11:03:17 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: RockinRight

Children of U.S. citizens born overseas get a birth certificate from the Department of State. They are Americans. I have been through this process.


22 posted on 02/03/2005 11:03:31 AM PST by Radix (Oh look, Mrs McNabb, Mrs McNabb! The Patriots are coming to the Super Bowl.)
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To: elbucko
What disqualifies McCain is that he is a RINO and a moron.

That goes without saying...

23 posted on 02/03/2005 11:03:53 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: RockinRight

If you are born in a foreign country and your parents are US citizens, you have dual citizenship until you reach the age of majority. At that time you need to decide which country you desire to be a citizen of. I'm not sure if the rule applies if you are born on a US military base. If McCain was born in the Canal Zone, I believe that the rule would not apply, as it was American territory until recently.

At least this how I understood the rules worked back in my teens. I had several friends who were born overseas to US servicemen. The rules may have changed since then.


24 posted on 02/03/2005 11:04:59 AM PST by gracie1 (Visualize whirled peas!)
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To: TheOtherOne
You can be born out of the US, if your parents are citizens. I assume his parents were US Citizens, that would make him one, regardless of where he was born.

Yes, you are a US citizen if you are born to citizens, regardless of the country you are born in. However, if you are born in a foreign country you are NOT eligible to run for President.

US Military installations might be a different matter. But it is a fact that if your parents are on vacation in the Bahamas and you are born there, you can not run for President.

25 posted on 02/03/2005 11:05:01 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: William of Orange

Picky picky.


26 posted on 02/03/2005 11:05:16 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
That would mean Ahnold would qualify. He was a foriegn-born son of a military man.

I'm pretty sure it has to our military. ;-)

27 posted on 02/03/2005 11:06:47 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

Little detail there.


28 posted on 02/03/2005 11:08:22 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: gracie1
If the parents are US citizens, they register their foreign born child with the US embassy to ensure citizenship.
29 posted on 02/03/2005 11:10:30 AM PST by demlosers
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To: Phantom Lord
Yes, you are a US citizen if you are born to citizens, regardless of the country you are born in. However, if you are born in a foreign country you are NOT eligible to run for President.

That is incorrect. The exact opposite is true, you are eligible to run for President.

30 posted on 02/03/2005 11:10:43 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: RockinRight

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and both his parents were U.S. citizens, so he is a U.S. citizen from birth, and thus a natural-born citizen for purposes of the Constitution.


31 posted on 02/03/2005 11:13:37 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: demlosers
If the parents are US citizens, they register their foreign born child with the US embassy to ensure citizenship.

And, the child is eligible to run for US president.

32 posted on 02/03/2005 11:13:42 AM PST by demlosers
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To: TheOtherOne

It appears that this "natural born" qualification clause has resulted in every American president having been born within the territory of the United States. But often, particular candidates' "natural born" status has been debatable.

In 1968, when Michigan Governor George Romney was running for the presidency, it was not absolutely clear if he qualified. He was born to American parents, in 1907, but they were living in Mexico at the time. His grandparents had left the United States in the late Nineteenth Century. In 1912, when Romney was five years old, his parents returned to the USA. As Romney's candidacy faded, so did the issue.

Again in 2000, when Senator John McCain was seeking the presidency, the issue arose. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to American parents (his father was an admiral). That fact sent a few scholars digging into musty, and less than clear, U.S. Supreme Court rulings. None, however, are truly on point.

In fact, there are conflicting holdings that only further compound the problem of understanding this clause. United States v. Wong Kim Ark(1898) indicates that foreign born children of Americans are not natural born. But in contrast, Weedin v. Chin Bow (1927) holds that "at common law the children of our citizen born abroad were always natural born citizen from the standpoint of this government."

It is the consensus of scholars, however, that foreign born children of Americans are natural born citizens. And that would mean that Romney and McCain would certainly qualify.

There is also general agreement that no foreign-born person who becomes a "naturalized" citizen can become president under Article II, unless it is amended. This consensus means that Schwarzenegger and Granholm are out.

When it comes to "naturalized" citizens, the only continuing debate is whether such a person can serve as "acting president" under the presidential succession statute.


33 posted on 02/03/2005 11:14:17 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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There are several things that should disqualify McCain from being President, and where he was born isn't one of them.


34 posted on 02/03/2005 11:14:47 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("I am not a conservative because I am successful; I am successful because I am a conservative.")
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Panama Canal.......birth canal.....there's a pun here somewhere


35 posted on 02/03/2005 11:15:11 AM PST by kingattax
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To: RockinRight

It is much easier to disqualify Sen Loon because he was not "born" at all, as is required, but rather "hatched."


36 posted on 02/03/2005 11:16:02 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: RockinRight
If only Goldwater could run again...

Barry got a little weird there at the end. His young new wife was a little lefty IIRC.

37 posted on 02/03/2005 11:17:42 AM PST by Mike Darancette (MESOCONS FOR RICE '08)
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To: TheOtherOne; Congressman Billybob
I have pinged CBB. He will know the answer.

I still contend that if you are born in a foreign country (exempting US Military Facilities) that you can not run for President.

38 posted on 02/03/2005 11:18:48 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: RockinRight

BTTT


39 posted on 02/03/2005 11:18:57 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: RockinRight; Owl_Eagle; HenryLeeII

I dunno, I heard that maybe he was born in Ireland. Owl, doesn't this disqualify him for other privilidges as well?


40 posted on 02/03/2005 11:19:38 AM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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