Posted on 02/03/2005 10:53:49 AM PST by RockinRight
What are you basing your opinion on? The Constitution says you have to be a natural born citizen. Are you saying that a natural born citizen is only one that is born in the US?
I can speak with authority on this subject. It applies to my son, an American Citizen, born in the US Naval Hospital Cubi Point, and also Olongopo Zambales, Philippines. He also had Philippine Citizenship until 21 at which time unless application was made, it was dropped.
We lived for a while in Manila and the wives of Navy Civilians like me and actual Naval personell had to make the hard trip to Subic to give birth in the Naval Hospital, American soil.
Some chose to give birth at the hospitals in Manila but in doing so, disallowed their child the Presidency. Unless you knew the road to Subic from Manila, you can't imagine the sacrifice these moms made to assure their kids a crack at the big job.
My wife had no such choice because we were transferred to Subic Bay prior the birth day.
If McCain was born in a military hospital he was on US soil and is ok.
This is off the original topic, but didn't the "acting president" question originally start when Kissinger was Secretary of State and therefore possibly fourth in line of succession?
I thought it was determined that he would not be able to hold office, but does anyone know if the question was answered back then?
"Actually, why not take DNA from Goldwater and Reagan and have one of those cloning doctors create a "super-Republican" to run for Pres in 2008?"
I've met one of Goldwater's DNA heirs, and I can say that the great auwater gene has regressed.
Uhhh...yeah. He has a navy ship named after him. You didn't know both McCain's father and grandfather were big-time Navy?
US military installations ARE a different matter. They count the same as the U.S., for these purposes.
It isn't as if this wasn't all figured out before McCain ran the first time.
Unfortunately, you are still incorrect. Any child born to American parents (who have spent time in the US) is a natural born American citizen.
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United
States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an
Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided,
That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not
in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person
to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying
possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United
States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States
or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such
person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying
possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United
States who has been physically present in the United States or
one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one
year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is
a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United
States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States
who has been physically present in the United States or one of
its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at
any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States
while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his
attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in
the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any
periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United
States, or periods of employment with the United States
Government or with an international organization as that term is
defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any
periods during which such citizen parent is physically present
abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of
the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed
Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States
Government or an international organization as defined in section
288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the
physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso
shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24,
1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its
present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24,
1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of
an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United
States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the
United States.
That is applicable part of the current US CODE
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=8&sec=1401
McCain was born in the Canal Zone in Gorgas Hospital (Pacific Side). It was an American civilian hospital.
Yes, he is an American citizen.
Yes, according to Panamanian law, he is also a Panamanian citizen having been born in “Panama.” He can come today and pick up his Panamanian citizenship documents in 24 hours. According to Panamanian law, once a Panamanian, always a Panamanian. One cannot renounce one’s citizenship.
Yes, he can also run for president of Panama because he is also a Panamanian.
Expatpat, since your wife was born in the Canal Zone, she can get her Panamanian documents if she ever returns to Panama. She has to get a certified copy of her Canal Zone birth certificate from Washington D.C. (State Department), get it authenticated by a Panamanian Consul in the U.S., and it's good to go.
Citizen yes. Eligible for the Presidency no.
I think, natural born, refers to anyone who was a US Citizen at birth. I do not think a presence on US soil is a requirement.
When we were last in Spain, the immigration folks couldn't believe she didn't speak Spanish when they saw her place of birth!
I was born in California. Does that make me a native American?
Born abroad of US parents makes you a citizen, but not eligible to be president. Applies to me, born in England of US parents while Dad was in the Air Force.
I don't know how the rules apply if he was born in the hospital on a US Military Installation.
Later posts indicate that I may be wrong...
Good. If McCain wants to be President, let him run in Panama...
Strange they checked McCain but not Obama who was the one that was really in question.
I believe you are confusing “citizen” with “natural born citizen”, they are not the same thing. Both parents must be citizens at the time of the child’s birth and must be born in the United States or a territory of the USA to be “natural born”.
A good example of a person that is not a natural born citizen is Barry Soetoro, AKA\Barrack Obama. His father was never a citizen and it is also thought he was born in Kenya as he has hidden all documentation concerning his birth, this is highly likely. The only document he has supplied was proven to be forged from his half-sister’s certificate of live birth. The first post that contained the photoshop forgery evidence was pulled and the fake document rescanned and posted without the traces of forgery. The document was certified by a organization owned and run by criminal scammer George Soros. Barry stated in a book ghost written by Bill Ayers that he possesses his original birth certificate but refuses to release it and has spent nearly two million dollars in attorney fees to keep it hidden. Hopefully a judge somewhere has the courage to issue a discovery order. Barry has not publicly stated any legitimate reason for sealing his records from the American People but it is obvious to anybody with a brain that he is hiding something very incriminating. One man was shot in the head outside a DC church after he decided to cooperate in an investigation concerning the removal of documents from Obama’s passport records. I believe somebody deleted the original long form birth certificate from Barry’s passport files.
It is obvious that Barry will do anything including murder to keep his documents secret. I believe the people of the USA should have access to this information to verify that Barry is eligible to hold the office of president. Hawaii says the people of the United States are not persons of interest when it comes to the “president’s” birth certificate. I believe officials there have also been threatened along with judges presiding over the court cases involving this matter. It seems they all would rather continue to live than uphold their oath of office to defend the constitution of the United States.
This is what happens when we elect criminals to government positions. It is time we elect all new members of congress. Do not vote for whoever runs the most commercials and the corrupt lame-stream media tells you to vote for. Our congress is 95% criminals and traitors, if we don’t clean house next election, our nation will be lost forever.
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