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Motorcycle Riders May be Allowed to Ride Without a Helmet
WTOP News ^ | February 4, 2005 | unk.

Posted on 02/04/2005 8:21:40 PM PST by FoxInSocks

RICHMOND, Va. - It's been a tough day for highway safety advocates at the Virginia General Assembly.

The House Militia, Police and Public Safety Committee endorsed legislation allowing motorcyclists 21 and older to ride without a helmet. The vote was 12-to-7.

The panel also rejected a series of bills to continue the use of photo monitoring systems at dangerous intersections in six northern Virginia localities and Virginia Beach. Those pilot programs allow police to use cameras to catch drivers who run red lights.

The programs are scheduled to expire July 1.

Another bill rejected by the committee would have expanded photo-red statewide.

The motorcycle helmet bill will be up for a vote on the House floor early next week. Similar bills have failed on close votes on the House floor three years in a row.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: cistswearhelmets; motorcycles; nannystate; redlightcameras; seriousmotorcyl; vageneralassembly
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To: BipolarBob
And when we go down that slippery slope where do we stop?
There is no "slippery slope"... states already regulate cigarettes, liquor and cars by taxing them and putting limits on when, where, and to whom they can be sold. Guns have regulations too... ever heard of hunting licenses? All these things have state regulations, and the states have every right under the Constitution to regulate them in the interest of public health and safety.
It's not about outlawing anything. No one says you can't ride a motorcycle. The state is just saying you need to wear a helmet, just like you need to wear a seat belt when you drive a car. Like I said, it's about public safety, which, in the eyes of the law, is more important than individual liberty. You have to be willing to give up some freedom so that everyone can be safe.
61 posted on 02/04/2005 10:23:20 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: mysto
the state's need to protect public safety

The public's safety is not enhanced by seatbelt or helmet laws. The individual's safety is what is enhanced.

Again, I think only a fool would ride a motorcycle without a helmet (and leathers), or ride in an automobile without a seatbelt, or ride in a boat without a flotation device - but it should be the (adult) individual's choice to make.

How about skydiving, bungie-jumping, spelunking, scuba diving.... and I could go on for hours.... should the government be endlessly involved in the enforcement of safety in these inherently dangerous activities too?

62 posted on 02/04/2005 10:25:46 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: mysto
I have news for you, mysto. If you wreck a bike at 50 mph, you are gonna die regardless of you helmet status.
63 posted on 02/04/2005 10:28:36 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: clee1
The public's safety is not enhanced by seatbelt or helmet laws. The individual's safety is what is enhanced.
But you drive on public roads, built and maintained by the state, using individual tax dollars... as long as the state owns the road, they get to set the rules of the road. It's also a public health issue, seeing as how the public ends up eating the increased costs of medical care for people who are seriously injured in accidents when they don't wear seat belts and helmets.

it should be the (adult) individual's choice to make
It is the individual's choice to make... if you're willing to break the law and drive without a seat belt, go right ahead. I hope you don't get in an accident...

How about skydiving, bungie-jumping, spelunking, scuba diving....
As long as they're done on private property, I don't think the state can really do much to enforce laws on those. Of course, the FAA could regulate skydiving if it wanted to...

64 posted on 02/04/2005 10:34:37 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: clee1
If you wreck a bike at 50 mph, you are gonna die regardless of you helmet status.
Not necessarily. I used to be an insurance claims adjuster, and I saw cases where the motorcycle driver didn't die in a high-speed accident. The driver usually ended up either paralyzed or a vegetable, but he didn't die...
65 posted on 02/04/2005 10:37:20 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: grand old partier

"It is not the governments place to tell people that they have to wear a helmet...if you dont than it is your own damn fault"

But your insurance company may have a say in that though. Just like they will not insure certain types of motorcycles, or you pay a high premium to have one insured. I can see the same thing happening with the helmet laws.


66 posted on 02/04/2005 10:41:00 PM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: FoxInSocks

I concur. Of course there are more cars on the road, hence more money is spent treating car injuries/deaths than motorcycle injuries and deaths. And, of course the gov't can't protect everyone, but I can see in the not too distant future that helmet laws in cars could happen.

But as always it will be for our own good.


67 posted on 02/04/2005 11:06:19 PM PST by SFC Chromey (Was deployed 26 of the last 48 months, we are at war to protect the American way of life.)
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To: clee1

Umm I have to disagree with you on that count buddy. I've crashed three times at speeds over 50mph. Twice on mountain roads. I walked away both times. Of course the bikes had some damage, but I was physically unharmed.

The third time was at a racetrack when I had a mechanical at close to 120mph. Even with full leathers and spine protector, etc, I was a bit black and blue, but again got up and walked away.

Two out of three times my bike needed only minor repairs, my body didn't need any.


68 posted on 02/04/2005 11:10:49 PM PST by SFC Chromey (Was deployed 26 of the last 48 months, we are at war to protect the American way of life.)
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To: BipolarBob

I would rather die on my motorcycle than die of old age in a nursing home - if I have a choice.




The follow up to that is:
You don't stop riding because you get old you get old because you stop riding.

Oh and motorcyclists sace money be not needing to see shrinks.
(fact-compared to the general population m/c riders are more grounded, and have less of a need for shrinks.)


69 posted on 02/04/2005 11:21:30 PM PST by SFC Chromey (Was deployed 26 of the last 48 months, we are at war to protect the American way of life.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

HEY! YOU LEFT OUT US PASTA-BURNERS!

I ride a Ducati, and wouldn't trade it for (almost) anything in the world!

(almost refers to the MV Agusta!)


70 posted on 02/04/2005 11:25:42 PM PST by SFC Chromey (Was deployed 26 of the last 48 months, we are at war to protect the American way of life.)
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To: mysto

And when we go down that slippery slope where do we stop?
There is no "slippery slope".




The slipper slope ends in the cesspool.


71 posted on 02/04/2005 11:27:27 PM PST by SFC Chromey (Was deployed 26 of the last 48 months, we are at war to protect the American way of life.)
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To: hellbilly

You are correct.

I was a cafe road racer back before bikes came that way....think Dick Mann-Kenny Roberts-Jay Springsteen days of lore.

My Shoie cans saved my life multiple times from my first H2 then my Z-1 then GS1100RS then my last a triple bored oversize GPZ.

Any fool rides a Hayabusa or the like without a can is plain stupid.

But Hog paraders should be able to butter the pavement with their grey matter as they wish but not on my dime. I'll give em that for sure.

I did not know that Indian Larry story...damn....I rememeber seeing him not long ago on some show.


and yes....all motorcyclists should carry large caliber wheelguns on the tank bag or elsewhere ....best thing to ward off aggressive car drivers I've found.


72 posted on 02/04/2005 11:34:15 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: longtermmemmory

"I bet there is an ABATE in that state!"

Sure as "heck" hope so.
Clearly, you don't ride!


73 posted on 02/04/2005 11:36:23 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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To: SFC Chromey

No offense intended by leaving out an offensive remark about spagetti burners Sarge!

PS-Thank you for your service.


74 posted on 02/04/2005 11:38:58 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( Political correctness in incorrect. ><BCC>)
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To: SFC Chromey

Smokers do pay higher rates as does anyone exposed to war, motorcycles, sky diving, hang gliding, private pilot etc.

At least my term life policies all have that....along with no suicide pay out for 2 years from purchase.


75 posted on 02/04/2005 11:40:11 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: rlmorel

"But I also think that the insurance companies should be able to have tiered policies. You should have to buy a non-helmet or non-seatbelt policy if that is the way you want to go. If you get into an accident without the helmet, and you haven't paid the high premiums, they should be able to refuse payments."

The "burden on society" was only the brain washing technique
that was used to march the masses into socialism, by the
big brother is watching out for you crowd. Insurance goes up with or without helmets or seatbelts.


76 posted on 02/04/2005 11:41:40 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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To: beaver fever

I do not know any rider who has not crashed...not one.

If you are that....pleased to meet ya.


77 posted on 02/04/2005 11:42:56 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: wardaddy

"I do not know any rider who has not crashed...not one."

I used to be one...


78 posted on 02/04/2005 11:48:11 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( Political correctness in incorrect. ><BCC>)
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To: clee1

If you wreck a bike at 50 mph, you are gonna die regardless of you helmet status."

BS. I dumped a Kaw 500 at 85 and walked away from it.


79 posted on 02/04/2005 11:51:02 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: CurlyDave

"How do you like paying taxes for their medical bills?"

About as much as I like supporting able bodied lazy welfare
recipients. LET THOSE THAT RIDE DECIDE


80 posted on 02/04/2005 11:53:28 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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