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Proposition 200 and Mexico's War on Arizona
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | FEBRUARY 5, 2005 | CHRISTOPHER ADAMO

Posted on 02/04/2005 8:52:37 PM PST by CHARLITE

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To: FITZ

Tony should be resigning quick, or we'll be facing the ultimate "no vaseline" political deal.


51 posted on 02/04/2005 10:38:36 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: bayourod
Bush won, get over it.

Do you realize that you're preaching to the choir?

52 posted on 02/04/2005 10:40:46 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Yes he should. It's unbelievable we're throwing more money to these clowns --- this is a good article showing how inept they've been --- but much more than inept --- there is a reason the Mexican government is standing in the way of the murders of women being solved. And they're all on the payroll of the narco-cartels.


Juárez deaths
Still too little progress in solving murders








This is not progress, although it was a third so-called progress report.

Mexico's special prosecutor, Maria Lopez Urbina, has been assigned to assist Chihuahua state authorities with solving murders of hundreds of women in Juárez.

Authorities say more than 400 girls and women have been killed in the past 12 years.

At a press conference in Juárez this week, Lopez Urbina provoked disappointment and anger from about 20 victims' mothers. The gist of her report was that one public official has been added to the list of 143 local law enforcement officers already under investigation for mishandling the cases.

The disappointment and anger was pointed at the wrong person. Lopez Urbina cannot investigate or prosecute, only assist those who can. In Mexico, the individual states, not the federal government, handle murder cases.

Here's an example: Lopez has been assisting in cases, including those of eight women whose badly decomposed remains had been dumped in an empty lot in 2001.

So far not much has happened -- except ongoing murders. It's obvious there has been no breakthrough in the cases. But there has been an eyebrow-raising chronology, an example being the case of the eight bodies dumped:


In October, Victor Garcia was sentenced to 50 years in prison for the eight slayings. He claimed he was tortured into making a confession.

His co-defendant, Gustavo Gonzalez Meza, died in 2003 while in police custody.

Gonzalez's lawyer had been shot to death in 2002. Police called his death "a case of mistaken identity."
Another example:

In Lopez Urbina's two earlier reports, she said it was determined criminal or civil charges should be filed against 41 of the then-143 officials under investigation. So she's officially "assisting" people she thinks ought to be under investigation themselves.

Those people included: Investigators, forensic experts and police officers. They allegedly lost evidence, contaminated crime scenes and were sluggish in taking actions to protect endangered women.

So far "officials" have allegedly issued arrest warrants for five of those officials, according to state officials.


No arrests of the officials have been made by the officials thus far.
What was Mexican President Vicente Fox thinking when he named Lopez Urbina to this post -- basically a whipping post.

It the same thing all over. Too many dead women. Too many so-called dead ends.

http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/opinion/ourviews/20050204-19464.shtml


53 posted on 02/04/2005 10:51:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: konaice

What it will do is cost the party in 2006 and 2008


54 posted on 02/04/2005 11:05:55 PM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: FITZ; bayourod

I believe I once saw bayourod post that he/she? is mexican American.


55 posted on 02/04/2005 11:08:32 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: FITZ

They knew all along it would destroy the majority of Mexicans --- and bankrupt the farmers of Mexico. There has to be some kind of big pay-off"

Sure caused a h*ll of a lot of mexicans to decide to come to the U.S.


56 posted on 02/04/2005 11:13:14 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: CHARLITE

Wake up Mr. Bush...this issue cannot be kept under raps much longer...stand up and be counted...what is the matter with you???


57 posted on 02/04/2005 11:44:18 PM PST by Route101
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To: CHARLITE

Czechoslovakia 1938.


58 posted on 02/05/2005 12:00:18 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: GeronL
Re read the article:

"Derbez plans to initially use the “legal capacities” of the United States to achieve his goal.

59 posted on 02/05/2005 12:15:17 AM PST by konaice
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To: Lloyd227
AZ being sued in an international court of jurisdiction.

There are no international courts of jusisdiction over a state of the United States.

There are very few international courts that the US even acknowledges (regardless of what the Democrats have taught you to believe). And none of these have jurisdiction over State matters.

60 posted on 02/05/2005 12:18:05 AM PST by konaice
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To: konaice

He'll find friendly liberal judges to shop it to in other words, but it will ptobably end up in international courts.


61 posted on 02/05/2005 12:18:45 AM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: tophat9000
What it will do is cost the party in 2006 and 2008

Its time for you to decide if you want a Country or a Party...

62 posted on 02/05/2005 12:19:30 AM PST by konaice
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To: bayourod
Did you join FR just before the election simply to bash Bush?

Did you join after the First election of Pres. Bush, just to carry his water? Blackbird.

63 posted on 02/05/2005 3:17:42 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: RetroWarrior; konaice
"International courts have no jurisdiction in the US;

Whether we like it or not, whether we choose to believe it or not..... I think the point of this article is that we could be in danger of this statement changing, and in fact it already has in roundabout ways.

The statement that "International courts have no jurisdiction in the US" is still 99% true, but if we're not careful and if certain "globalist" politicians in both parties are not controlled, this is in the process of being eroded.

64 posted on 02/05/2005 7:18:59 AM PST by Lloyd227 (American Forces armed with what? Spit balls?)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Yes, he has Fast Track authority, which Congress refused to renew for President Clinton in 1994 (rather partisan politics IMHO.)

That doesn't mean the the President can unilaterally sign trade agreements, they still must be approved by Congress. To give the President full trade authority, Article 1, section 8 of the US Constitution would have to be amended.

http://internationalecon.com/v1.0/ch20/20c020.html

I'm not sure anyone wants to give the presidency that much power, myself included.
65 posted on 02/05/2005 7:45:56 AM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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To: itsmyboy; bayourod

You have to remember.

Bayourod is the consistent cheap labor, pro-illegal voice on this board. There are people who profit from rampant lawbreaking and are all too willing to dump the price of their cheap labor on the taxpayer.


66 posted on 02/05/2005 7:49:12 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: RetroWarrior

"And if NAFTA was such a bad idea, why didn't Former President Clinton veto it?"

Because the Party of Money wanted it and Clinton was willing to betray his own base for their money.


67 posted on 02/05/2005 7:52:51 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: tophat9000

That's what I meant. It will split the GOP wide open and leave an openning for a Perot economic nationalist third party if whoever wins the GOP nomination continues Bush policy.


68 posted on 02/05/2005 7:54:37 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: CHARLITE

I wonder if this is just posturing by Derbez since no legal challenge have actually been made. Can a Mexican government actually make legal challenges in US courts?


69 posted on 02/05/2005 7:58:26 AM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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To: Sam the Sham; All

Nuetral? The administration just okay'd several million to Mexico the help them find who has been killing 400plus women in their country. But not a word to the families (except,it's Mexico, we can't help you) of 27 AMERICANS who have disappeared over the border in 90 days.


Four Blocks to Freedom

There is a 28 year old American named Yvette Martinez who has "disappeared" in Nuevo Loredo along with 27+ other US Citizens in the past few months. After a month of the Mexican law doing nothing and the US law saying "we can do nothing-Mexico runs their own country", her father started investigating by himself, along with some news people. She and her friend were traced to an intersection where they called a friend in the States. They could see the American Flag across the border. Four blocks away.

The Mexican mayor says, "It's safe here!" The police would not help. Finally Yvette's father found her car. It was in a storage lot used by the police. They refuse to talk. The US tells him, it's not their place to question Mexico. I don’t see any of the OBL shedding any tears for her heartbroken mother and father because they are “hispanic”. This is all about dirty money,from the corruption in Mexico, the drugs, the refusal to enforce existing law to the “willing worker program”.


70 posted on 02/05/2005 8:44:44 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: RetroWarrior

"Get your facts straight."

She never said it wasn't voted in with Clinton in office. Pres. Bush 1 pushed it. Clinton campaigned against NAFTA, one thing that got him elected. Of course he lied..surprise.


71 posted on 02/05/2005 8:48:14 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: AuntB

If you read her post, she was laying the blame solely on Bush. I'm trying to point out that the blame needs to be spread out.


72 posted on 02/05/2005 8:52:20 AM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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To: RetroWarrior

You're right about one thing, there's plenty of blame to go around.


73 posted on 02/05/2005 8:57:06 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: CHARLITE

Viva Amexica!

74 posted on 02/05/2005 9:06:02 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: konaice
Its time for you to decide if you want a Country or a Party...

I'm on record as wanting what best for the country...I am not a "party whore" ....

I much as I like Bush on many issues, and disagree with him on some but can live with it... he's dead wrong on the illegals

In fact I would say it will become the dominate issue now as the Bush illegals position is way out of whack with the vast majority of the party base

If that party is torn apart on this issue then it's on the head of the people on the Bush illegals position side... they are in the minority position both in the party and in the overall country...

75 posted on 02/05/2005 10:06:49 AM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: tophat9000
Let me add not only is the Bush illegals position in the minority position both in the party and in the overall country...It is also flat out wrong...and not what's best for the country both short and long term...(minority positions can be noble when that are for what's best and right...the Bush illegals position is NOT one of them)
76 posted on 02/05/2005 10:19:29 AM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
(((A hushed snicker filters through the crowd)))
77 posted on 02/05/2005 5:45:13 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude (Plumbers for Bush....We flushed the Johns)
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