consular cards which are easily forged still are accepted by many municipalities, and are being pushed by government officials as proof of ID for worker programs and other social services, wonder if osama has one yet?
Posted on 02/05/2005 8:59:51 PM PST by NormsRevenge
SACRAMENTO (AP) - The terrorist believed to have flown a hijacked airliner into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, obtained a California driver's license without providing the required Social Security number for identification, officials are acknowledging for the first time.
Nawaf Alhazmi then used that license when he registered for the flight training that enabled him to pilot the doomed airliner.
Alhazmi used a loophole, since closed, in California law that allowed hundreds of thousands of foreign drivers without Social Security numbers to use a generic number in its place. Even some foreign citizens with Social Security numbers skirted the identity check required of U.S. citizens.
Although the process changed a year ago, some of the drivers still have their original licenses. Only this fall, when their licenses come up for renewal, will the Department of Motor Vehicles run identity checks on the last of the drivers who used the loophole.
California was one of the first states to require that Social Security numbers be verified as part of a routine identification check when driver's licenses were issued. But a 1994 court decision required the state to also give driver's licenses to qualified applicants, such as foreign students, who had no Social Security number. Those forms were processed with the bypass code.
Alhazmi used his own name and presented other identification to get his license. But a Social Security number is the nation's standard identification number; if Alhazmi had used one for his license, he might have been easier for authorities to track.
The fact that Alhazmi and other 9/11 terrorists obtained driver's licenses has been a key point in arguments against efforts in some states to allow illegal immigrants to get licenses. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed such a bill last year from the California Legislature, saying it didn't provide adequate security protection.
DMV officials closed the loophole after the attacks, prodded in part by former investigator Paul Satkowski, a whistle-blower who says he suffered retaliation from DMV officials based in part on his frequent and sometimes public warnings about driver's license security flaws.
While it was commonly known after 9/11 that Alhazmi had a California driver's license, it has not previously been reported in any detail that he obtained it using a bypass number also used by thousands of other foreign citizens, DMV spokesman Bill Branch said.
From December 2000 through February 2002, the department issued more than 184,000 licenses using the bypass code.
"My hair is getting gray from thinking about this stat," Satkowski wrote in a March 6, 2002, e-mail to department Deputy Director John McClellan. "In my opinion, that is a lot of persons welcomed into this state on foreign student visas where the Social Security numbers are not verified!"
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Shocking!
A concept that has been fought for years.
Yes, but since that terrorist had a license, he could get car insurance. On top of that we knew who he was and that protected us from danger.
Thanks for the report Norm. This will be a blissful red-letter report for the OBL.
all the more reason to not give illegals a license. But of course there are other states that they can get a license legally right now........
Those two bastards were living around 6 miles from me.
They were also in the 2000 San Diego phone book
Bump.
Immigration control and the second amendment will handle 95% of terrorism.
If some asswipe muslim whack-job twitches, and then gets 4-8 .40 cal Corbon rounds to the cranium before he can fart, then that would help a great deal, IMO.
consular cards which are easily forged still are accepted by many municipalities, and are being pushed by government officials as proof of ID for worker programs and other social services, wonder if osama has one yet?
They have been sitting on this for three years!
If so, that it begs the follow up question: Republican or democrat?
so he got one for free....
for a few hundred you can get real or fake ones from DMV employees or counterfeiters
In Oregon you have to give a number, but DMV does not check that it is a legit number. You could use 123-45-6789 and it would go through the system w/o a hitch. Idiot liberals are HAPPY that they refused the 300K grant from the Fed's to NOT be able to connect to the federal system to check the legitimacy of the information given. Oregon is now a hot-spot for Illegals of all types to come in and get drivers licenses.
God as my witness, there are days I hate living in Oregon. I hate being associated with such complete MORONS!!!
When exactly did that subhuman get the license? I suspect it was before Bush was sworn in, since they didn't mention at least the year...
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More fuel for the cause... Gil Cedillo is a goner!
Glad we finally left.
We didn't call it as Jackass County, Trashland, Muddleford, Central Punt, & Jackassville for nothing!
ping
And the President of our nation wants to give them more access. What's wrong with this picture?...
Understand his foreign policies to bring peace to the Middle East via freedom is good, but his globalist policies to create "unions" within the "americas" is as ill-fated as that of the European Union. That "union" is dying on the vine from PC, fear, greed, and stupidity. Many of the leaders of those countries have given up because of the reasons just stated. Is this what you want for yours, just for the sake of supporting a political party?
" have my original social security card (1957). It clearly has stamped on it, in bold, blue letters:"
"Not to be used for identification"
You know when I look at all this crap going on today, I am starting to have a hard time believing that this isn't part of some Master Plan. Our SSI cards have printed in red letters "Not to be used for identification", yet what happened 40 years ago? Our SSI cards became just that, our singular most important ID card if you didn't have a drivers license! There was about 10 or 15 years where they would take either one, your SSI or the DL card for proof positive as to who you were. Now you can't get on a flight unless you have a state issued ID card.
And yet they could'nt send my renewal notice to the right address, and then suspend my DL for failure to report an accident (which I HAD reported a full year and a half earlier) charge me an extra $55.00 to reinstate. Tell me again what I'm getting in return for my state tax burden other than a flood of new "Mexifornians" every year? I know people die trying to get here but dammit, get in line.
Which may be true, but it's still illegal.
When our vaunted gub'mint passed SS in 1935, or thereabouts, they promised absolutely that the SS number could NEVER be used as an identification number. It even says so on my Social Security Card.
Rules and promises mean little to liberal politicians.
The very day I arrived in Oregon on the way to Wasington, from CA and stopping to buy gas only to find out I couldn't pump my own gas was the day I decided Oregon was not for me. That was Jan 1980, and I haven't returned.
and our WOT started over THREE years ago......
"DMV officials closed the loophole after the attacks, prodded in part by former investigator Paul Satkowski, a whistle-blower who says he suffered retaliation from DMV officials based in part on his frequent and sometimes public warnings about driver's license security flaws."
Retaliation, for speaking up against a criminal enterprise?
There's a lot of that going on. Way too much.
"They were also in the 2000 San Diego phone book"
Hiding in plain sight.
That's EXACTLY what Gil Cedillo is pushing in California (again). I hope his proposal is rejected, as it should be.
Federal court?
I hear you. I agree with you. I just wish others could see it.
The FTAA will require us to join a federation that will make decisions regarding U.S. policy. Places like Panama, Columbia, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Mexico and every other nation that joins, will have members sitting on a committee that will decide U.S. trade policy. These policies impact on other internal matters.
It is stunning to think that anyone would agree to this.
A better question might be is there anything that you can't hang around Bush's neck? Bush's name isn't even in this article, yet here you are, draggingi him into it -- not to mention BAITING other posters by pinging them to a thread they aren't on.
I'll ping some friends to help you out.
California still issues state identification cards - look just like a license - to people that do not even live in California. You could come to California from any state and get an ID.
Seems odd to me. A state ID should be for residents of the state they are in only. But, maybe it makes no difference as someone could just move an no one is going to take it back from them when they do.
Immigration and all of the issues surrounding it like licenses, social benefits, education, Terrorism, etc. are REALLY complicated and I've just decided to take a breather and wait to see what proposals come at both Fed and State levels. IMO This can't be force fed and I think it's time to turn down some of the rhetoric without losing sight of the ultimate goals of the dabate. MTC FWIW
As they should. The SSA is no better than anyone else at verifying somebody's identity. There was a story years ago about a guy that got his pig an SSN. States should use the same rigor in issuing driver's licenses as is done issuing passports.
SSNs are a moronic way to verify the identity of ANYONE.
Gil Cedillo doesn't even give a second thought to the 9 billion bucks it costs California each year to support these pests, let alone thinking about the security implications. He is useless, yet the sheep here keep him coming back. I think his car must bear a bumper sticker for Atzlan...
Thanks for the ping *shaking head*
Admit it. This article isn't about our chief executive doing wrong in this case. He didn't do wrong in this case.
Shall I diagram it for you?
Of course this has nothing to do with President Bush but you just can't pass up an oppritunity to take a potshot at him.
I don't blame you! Only time I like it is when it is pouring rain or sleeting. Otherwise, I put the nozzle in myself and wait for the idiots to push the button.
Do you have a source for such a statement that President Bush ever made to that effect?
Or are you just repeating the old Buchanan lies from 2000.
Bush defeated Buchanan long ago, get over it.
And as usual, you can't help but try to pigeonhole someone. I didn't support Buchanan then and don't now, and I voted for Bush twice. So shove your insults.
Thanks, Howlin.
It really amazes me that Pres. Bush did not stop this process in the first 5 minutes of his term beginning!
Yes, that was extreme sarcasm.
On the Homeland Security front...
After 9/11, President Bush authorized 2,000 new border-patrol agents per year for five years. Unfortunately, the figure now stands at 200, due to budget constraints (budget constraints that, sadly, have not applied to other agencies, such as DoEd, DoT, and PBS). Strangely, $74 million has been substituted for surveillance and aerial technology, in the hopes that this will make up for the lack of manpower on the ground. But if there was any message in the 9/11 report, it was that technological intelligence is no substitute for human intelligence.
This is not simply about Mexican illegals looking to work on a farm. Al-Qa'ida already has a foothold in countries like Venezuela, where it is suspected that the Chavez government had (has?) been protecting them with false-identity papers and passports. Former Taliban mullahs also fled there in 2000. If these cutthroats try to enter the U.S., it won't be through Nova Scotia.
The Federalist Patriot (FederalistPatriot.US)
http://FederalistPatriot.US/current2004a.asp
Feb. 4, 2005
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