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Ward Churchill Interview: "I want the US off the planet. Out of existence altogether."
"Satya" Magazine ^ | April 2004 | nwrep

Posted on 02/06/2005 5:07:53 PM PST by nwrep

Terrorist supporter, freedom's parasite and anti-American anarchist Ward Churchill gave an interview to the Brooklyn-based "Satya" magazine. Here are some excerpts:

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This issue of Satya is trying to push the debate about whether or not violence is an appropriate means for a desired end. With animal activists, there’s a growing gap between people who feel it’s not and others who feel that, for example, breaking into laboratories to liberate animals or burning down property is an effective way to stop abuse.

Well, that’s an absurd framing in my view. Defining violence in terms of property—that basically nullifies the whole notion that life is sacred. People who want to elevate property to the same level of importance as life are so absurd as to be self-nullifying.

.............

That brings me to one question, which is, in general, people like to think they’re pretty decent. They don’t like to think of themselves as violent or complying with a system that is oppressive...

Heinrich Himmler viewed himself in exactly that way. He was a family man, he had high moral values, he’d met his responsibilities, blah, blah, blah—a good and decent man in his own mind.

Do you think that applies to most American people?

In the sense that it applied to most Germans [during the Third Reich].

..............

So if it takes eradication of the beast from within, how would you see that happening?

Well, first the withdrawal of consent, people imbued with consciousness to withdraw altogether from an embrace of the state.

If I defined the state as being the problem, just what happens to the state? I’ve never fashioned myself to be a revolutionary, but it’s part and parcel of what I’m talking about. You can create through consciousness a situation of flux, perhaps, in which something better can replace it. In instability there’s potential. That’s about as far as I go with revolutionary consciousness. I’m actually a de-evolutionary. I don’t want other people in charge of the apparatus of the state as the outcome of a socially transformative process that replicates oppression. I want the state gone: transform the situation to U.S. out of North America. U.S. off the planet. Out of existence altogether.


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1 posted on 02/06/2005 5:07:53 PM PST by nwrep
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To: nwrep

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2 posted on 02/06/2005 5:10:02 PM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: nwrep


I WANT WARD CHURCHILL OFF THE PLANET!!


3 posted on 02/06/2005 5:10:38 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I WANT WARD CHURCHILL OFF THE PLANET!!

First, I want Ward Churchill off of the government teat. NOW!

4 posted on 02/06/2005 5:12:52 PM PST by jackbill
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To: nwrep

I'd kill my kid if he made me spend 100K on a degree from this loon.

I've read some crap in my life, but this buffoon writes, thinks, and expresses himself like an editor in MadMagazine.

(No offense to MadMagazine. At least your buffoonery is meant to be just that.)


5 posted on 02/06/2005 5:13:18 PM PST by OpusatFR (All Your Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches are belong to us.)
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To: nwrep

This person is pure evil! I can't believe he is still on salary there! What an outrage!


6 posted on 02/06/2005 5:13:54 PM PST by Bush gal in LA
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To: nwrep

It's a good time to dust off the old story of "A Man Without a Country"......

"A 19th-century writer, Edward Everett Hale, once published a story called “The Man without a Country.” The protagonist is Philip Nolan, a young U.S. Army officer who unwisely deserted to join the ill-fated effort of Aaron Burr to establish an independent empire west of the Mississippi. In Hale’s yarn, during his court martial for treason Nolan shouts, “Damn the United States! I wish I may never hear of the United States again!” The shocked presiding judge obliges, handing down the following sentence on September 23, 1807: “Prisoner, hear the sentence of the Court! The Court decides, subject to the approval of the President, that you never hear the name of the United States again.” And for the next half century Nolan lives out his life on board one U.S. Navy ship or another, never permitted to read an American newspaper or see his native soil — the man without a country."


7 posted on 02/06/2005 5:14:30 PM PST by llevrok (Don't blame me, I voted for Pedro!)
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To: nwrep
I don’t want other people in charge of the apparatus of the state as the outcome of a socially transformative process that replicates oppression. I want the state gone: transform the situation to U.S. out of North America. U.S. off the planet. Out of existence altogether.

You know, it's guys like this that give communist re-education camps some sliver of credence.

8 posted on 02/06/2005 5:14:49 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: nwrep

Too bad Ward Churchill doesn't get to live under the rule of a Saddam Hussien or Pol Pot or Idi Amin or similar.


9 posted on 02/06/2005 5:15:21 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: All; LauraleeBraswell

Everyone please note that he advocates the use of violence to destroy property in his first answer in this interview. That should be enough to fire him.


10 posted on 02/06/2005 5:15:25 PM PST by nwrep
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To: OpusatFR

Just a few facts:

I WROTE this before but


Most of the people who died in the Trade Center had little to do with Wall Street. It should be noted that,the World Trade Center was jointly owned by the State of New Jersey and New York, hardly the center of Capitalism. There were quite a few municipal workers who died because the State of New York occupied allot of the buildings.
Admittedly, the student who attended Hamilton and was on O’Reilly, father was involved with finance. His father was a municipal bond broker’s broker. He sat three seats away from my uncle while they both worked at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Capo traded municipal bonds. Municipal bonds like (for example) used to raise money for public housing for the poor and dorm rooms for college students in the US. By the way, none of the people at Canter Fitzgerald are allowed to use cell phones in their job. This has nothing to do with anything international. This Nutty professor should learn the facts. I’d like to ask him how he sees the tie between raising money for some public housing in a place like Brooklyn has anything to do with the Middle East. By the way one of the biggest investors in municipal bonds is Teresa Heinz Kerry.
I apologize if she is not using the last name Kerry anymore. Their calls had to be made on a land based phones in order that all trades be recorded to be recorded. I also sure that Mr. Churchill never heard of Canter Fitzgerald before 9/11.

By the way these people do not make big money in New York.


11 posted on 02/06/2005 5:17:40 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: nwrep


http://www.colorado.edu/EthnicStudies/faculty/w_churchill.html

The Department of Ethnic Studies
Ketchum 30, Campus Box 339
University of Colorado, Boulder
Phone: 303-492-8852
Fax: 303-492-7799

E-mail
Ethnic.Studies@Colorado.EDU


12 posted on 02/06/2005 5:19:35 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: nwrep

Gas him for treasonous statements.

Actually death by drowning in sewage would be my preferred method.


13 posted on 02/06/2005 5:21:29 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: nwrep

What's funny (ironic funny) is that he is discussing a process of public dissent which is identical to the one now opposing him.

So in a weird whay, Churchill's right. People can only put up with so much before they band together to tackle a perceived problem .... like getting rid of a univeristy professor for example.


14 posted on 02/06/2005 5:22:01 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: nwrep

The two students of Ward Church who were on O'Reilly were frightening. Not only were they incapable of thinking but instead saying the same mantra over and over, they had the look of people brainwashed. I'm glad my tuition dollars were not going to educate those two.


15 posted on 02/06/2005 5:22:20 PM PST by Merry
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To: nwrep
This looks awfully familiar. Ah! Now I remember why:

"One of the greatest lessons of the 20th century is the separation of ethics and esthetics. While you don't have to agree with what the Nazis did, come on, be honest, they did have the best uniforms. A lot of people can't get past something as banal as that."

-- Andrew Eldritch, singer for the goth rock band "Sisters of Mercy"

16 posted on 02/06/2005 5:22:46 PM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: nwrep

Thanks for being worse than a waste of space, Ward. The "education" you pretend to offer students will do nothing to benefit their lives. You have nothing constructive to offer anyone, and you can't even get the lies about your own background straight. Your parasitic existence at the expense of tax dollars betrays you as the little Eichman you pretend to despise.


17 posted on 02/06/2005 5:24:02 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: nwrep
"Well, that’s an absurd framing in my view. Defining violence in terms of property—that basically nullifies the whole notion that life is sacred. People who want to elevate property to the same level of importance as life are so absurd as to be self-nullifying."

Well, frankly, Mr. Churchill, my property is of much greater importance to me than your life is. After all, it is the result of my own toils, whereas your existence is the result of an accidental meeting of two single-cell beings. You are replaceable.

18 posted on 02/06/2005 5:25:17 PM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: nwrep
Can we please please just IGNORE HIM?. If we had simply ignored this lunatic from the get-go, he would have been long forgotten by now. By giving this dim-witted liar a national forum, we only elevate his stature and invite similar losers to get easy press in the future. This buffoon is playing left against right for his own fun and profit, and stupidly, both sides are taking the bait.
19 posted on 02/06/2005 5:25:53 PM PST by montag813
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To: nwrep

in the long term what happened last week is good as churchill is now marked forever and is done...he will age rapidly and his life will be more misreable then is presently is as he'll always have to look over his shoulder.


20 posted on 02/06/2005 5:28:05 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: nwrep

Mental Ward...


21 posted on 02/06/2005 5:28:23 PM PST by LRS
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To: nwrep


look at how he is holding the kalishnikov.

by the magazine!

lol.


22 posted on 02/06/2005 5:29:43 PM PST by adam_az (UN out of the US! - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition)
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To: nwrep

This is a sick and twisted man who should be fired and run out on a rail immediately. Here we are in the most free society on the planet and this piece of filth is preaching unmitigated hate on the taxpayer dime. He is the same as a Klansman.


23 posted on 02/06/2005 5:29:57 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: nwrep

After you, Ward pinko.....


24 posted on 02/06/2005 5:31:44 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: nwrep

Mark my words. He will either be incapabable of teaching or fired from the university within a month.


25 posted on 02/06/2005 5:33:06 PM PST by marvlus (t)
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To: montag813

"Can we please please just IGNORE HIM?. If we had simply ignored this lunatic from the get-go, he would have been long forgotten by now. By giving this dim-witted liar a national forum, we only elevate his stature and invite similar losers to get easy press in the future. This buffoon is playing left against right for his own fun and profit, and stupidly, both sides are taking the bait."

Ignoring him is same as handing him the keys to our future.
We must shine the light of truth on communists like this, then even the blind can judge what he is.


26 posted on 02/06/2005 5:33:43 PM PST by Tweaker
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To: Bush gal in LA

Isn't it amazing how so many of these folks who express utter contempt for the US and its people live here? One wonders why they don't migrate to place that share their world view. Maybe its because, deep down, they realize they're completely full of sh!t and the facist/backward regimes they worship would eventually tire of them and hang their a$$es.


27 posted on 02/06/2005 5:33:59 PM PST by rbg81
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Most of the people who died in the Trade Center had little to do with Wall Street.

And what if they did?

What if all 3000 were the top 3000 capitalists on the planet?

The top 3000 in history?

What would that have to do with anything?

28 posted on 02/06/2005 5:34:03 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: nwrep
"I'm actually a de-evolutionary."

Well, he's certainly devolved.

29 posted on 02/06/2005 5:34:22 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Senator, we can have this discussion in any way that you would like.")
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I don't want him dead, I just want him to wish he were.


30 posted on 02/06/2005 5:35:32 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99 ("Drivin' in my car. Livin' like a star. Ice on my fingers n my toes n on my Taurus.")
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To: nwrep
I’ve never fashioned myself to be a revolutionary, but it’s part and parcel of what I’m talking about. You can create through consciousness a situation of flux, perhaps, in which something better can replace it. In instability there’s potential. That’s about as far as I go with revolutionary consciousness. I’m actually a de-evolutionary.

This should be a Fouth-Year Psychiatry final exam question:

What's the diagnosis?

31 posted on 02/06/2005 5:36:09 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: montag813
If we had simply ignored this lunatic from the get-go, he would have been long forgotten by now.

As long as he's living on the public dole, preaching his poison to impressionable young adults, he cannot be ignored. He must instead be conquered.

32 posted on 02/06/2005 5:36:53 PM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: nwrep
I WANT WARD CHURCHILL OFF THE PLANET!! Now why would we want to spend more taxpayer money to send Churchill to outer space? Besides, I doubt he'd make a good companion in the International Space Station.
33 posted on 02/06/2005 5:37:05 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Jim Noble
It has to do with his warped sense of reasoning and the whole basis of his maladjusted argument.
34 posted on 02/06/2005 5:37:15 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: nwrep

That should be enough to imprision him.

Advocating the violent overthrow of the government is a crime, IIRC.


35 posted on 02/06/2005 5:38:39 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"Defining violence in terms of property—that basically nullifies the whole notion that life is sacred. People who want to elevate property to the same level of importance as life are so absurd as to be self-nullifying."

So if destroying property to make a political point is OK, then it would be fine to burn down this guy's house and blow up his car? Somehow I don't think he'd see it in the same light... =)


36 posted on 02/06/2005 5:39:10 PM PST by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: KSCITYBOY
I value freedom of speech, and I love a good devil's advocate, but this man is a enemy of my country. I believe that he is more of a evil white man who pretends to be a Indian, then a true advocate of Native Americans. There are many things wrong with this country but the way that he dwells upon them goes beyond any pretext of being a good citizen. The Indian Wars ended over a century ago, so get over it. In most countries he would be prosecuted for treason, and in a communist one like China, he would be executed. He should be thanking the creator that he does not live in the Marxist systems he admires.
37 posted on 02/06/2005 5:40:04 PM PST by dog breath
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To: nwrep

Can it, Churchill! Who cares what you think?


38 posted on 02/06/2005 5:41:17 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: dog breath


I love- ABSOLUTELY LOVE when people BASH the whole foundation and the United States and then turn around and say "I'm a good American this is what this country was founded on"

Umm, this country wasn't founded under the principles of BASHING the foundation.


39 posted on 02/06/2005 5:42:09 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: Selkie

How about just exposing him to flesh-eating bacteria and letting nature take its course?


40 posted on 02/06/2005 5:43:27 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: montag813
Ignore him?
Naw, we tasted blood with Mr. Rather and discovered it was fun exposing BS artists.
The potential here to bring a spotlight to the bogus academics will ensure Mr. Churchill's hide will be nailed to a shed. (Metaphorically speaking of course)
41 posted on 02/06/2005 5:47:05 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: nwrep
I’m actually a de-evolutionary.

We were all created. Many of us devolve.

42 posted on 02/06/2005 5:47:41 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Tweaker
Ignoring him is same as handing him the keys to our future.

Huh? He is tenured at a public college, and thus has ZERO chance of being fired. And if he is fired, he has a nearly 100% chance of regaining his job through the courts. It is unfortunate. But by making him a national "star" we are in effect creating a 2nd Chomsky--who will now make tons of cash catering to the far left, and have student flocking to him like flies on shit--where he would have remained obscure and irrelevant had we simply ridiculed and dismissed him outright.

43 posted on 02/06/2005 5:49:34 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

No. That's a tactic the left likes. There can be no forgetting this man's statements.

Hound him? I'd like to debate him. I'd like to slap him silly for poor writing. He's imitating Bakunin badly without the excuse of insanity.

These self-professed anarchists are self-serving intellectual blowhards and fifth-rate thinkers grandfathered in the 60's and 70's to appease the left.

This is a professor? This teaches? This has the termerity to guide a department?

What the heck is Colorado thinking. They are top tier in science, math, and business. I suppose having this joke of a deparment is their idea of levity.


44 posted on 02/06/2005 5:51:38 PM PST by OpusatFR (All Your Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches are belong to us.)
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To: Pete98

"So if destroying property to make a political point is OK, then it would be fine to burn down this guy's house and blow up his car?"

It is a valid means of political discourse in Minnesota ---- if you're a Democrat (reference to destroyed yard signs, road rage, cars vandalized, a front deck of a residence torched in Richfield, and so on.).


45 posted on 02/06/2005 5:54:36 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I WANT WARD CHURCHILL OFF THE PLANET!!

If only it were that simple. There are countless ward Churchills in our academic system. And they are churning out the next generation of Ward Churchills as we speak.

46 posted on 02/06/2005 5:57:10 PM PST by riri
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To: nwrep

bttt


48 posted on 02/06/2005 5:58:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: riri


It reminds me of my history pro. Who said in class that the only reason the US gave money to the Tsunami Relief was so that WE (the USA) can set up sweatshops.

It get's better than that. I'm bringing in my video camera.


49 posted on 02/06/2005 5:58:47 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: montag813
"Huh? He is tenured at a public college, and thus has ZERO chance of being fired. And if he is fired, he has a nearly 100% chance of regaining his job through the courts. It is unfortunate. But by making him a national "star" we are in effect creating a 2nd Chomsky--who will now make tons of cash catering to the far left, and have student flocking to him like flies on shit--where he would have remained obscure and irrelevant had we simply ridiculed and dismissed him outright."

I couldn't agree less.
The more people are educated about what these communists do and say the less they will support them. If there is enough outrage over this nut case then you you can bet that UC will wish they had canned him if they don't. It's the old money talks, BS walks syndrome.
50 posted on 02/06/2005 6:00:34 PM PST by Tweaker
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