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'Little Eichmanns' prof to speak here (At University of Wisconsin-Whitewater on March 1)
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 7 Feb 2005 | Meg Kissinger

Posted on 02/07/2005 3:29:27 PM PST by edfrank_1998

MONDAY, Feb. 7, 2005, 2:31 p.m. 'Little Eichmanns' prof to speak here

Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor whose remarks comparing the victims of the World Trade Center attacks to a World War II Nazi war criminal, is scheduled to speak at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater on March 1, a university spokesman said. Churchill, chairman of Colorado's ethnic studies department, was invited to Whitewater by a group of Native American students.

Churchill was scheduled to speak last week at Hamilton College in upstate New York but administrators there cancelled the appearance, citing clear and present danger of violence.

His writing, titled, "Some People Push Back," describe the nearly 3,000 who died in the World Trade Center attacks as "Little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolph Eichmann, who helped Hitler with plans to exterminate Jews from Europe during World War II.

-By Meg Kissinger


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1 posted on 02/07/2005 3:29:28 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998
Somebody needs to let those "native American students" that old (Mental)Ward is about as Native American as the Duke of Orange . . .

Just as a public service and to correct the record, of course. I'm sure they don't want to be spending their hard-earned student activity dollars on a white guy . . .

2 posted on 02/07/2005 3:32:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: edfrank_1998
"Churchill, chairman of Colorado's ethnic studies department, was invited to Whitewater by a group of Native American students

I guess the fact that he is no more a 'Native American' than I am doesn't matter to these students - And why should it? That little inconsistency in this guy's story is the absolute least of his trifling with the truth..

3 posted on 02/07/2005 3:34:38 PM PST by drt1
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To: drt1

From what I know of University of Wisconsin students - they couldn't tell if the sun rose in the east or the west let alone be aware of the validity of this idiots heritage.


4 posted on 02/07/2005 3:37:12 PM PST by NHResident
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To: edfrank_1998
It figures he'd be welcome in Madison.

Overall I'm sick of hearing about this mope. He's like a chimp in a zoo or something -- cavorting for the public and throwing poo, trying to get attention.
5 posted on 02/07/2005 3:39:09 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

This isn't at the Madison campus, it's at the Whitewater campus (a little southeast of the people's republic).


6 posted on 02/07/2005 3:46:59 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998
Churchill, chairman of Colorado's ethnic studies department, was invited to Whitewater by a group of Native American students.


"How, Red Brothers! You want'um any more fake Injun for pow-wow?
Seriously, man, we've hardly worked since F-Troop. We could use the bread."

7 posted on 02/07/2005 3:50:47 PM PST by Stultis
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To: edfrank_1998
My mistake. I'm sure he'll be welcome at Madison some other day, but that's not the location for this visit.
8 posted on 02/07/2005 3:55:27 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: edfrank_1998

Actually, this campus is pretty conservative. They have a strong business program here. Of course they have their kooks, but generally it's a conservative place.


9 posted on 02/07/2005 3:58:23 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

That's what I had thought. I know about their business program (I'm closer to Milwaukee), so you're probably right. The timing of the announcement sure is interesting in view of the other information that's come to light.


10 posted on 02/07/2005 4:05:05 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998
"Little Eichmanns," eh?

I guess the littlest Eichmann is the one on the left. Her name was Juliana McCourt. She died on Flight 175, along with her mother, Ruth McCourt (pictured), and her mother's friend (Paige Hackel) who was on Flight 11.

I knew both of those women. One was a family friend.

Words cannot express my outrage at Ward Churchill or any institution that would give him a platform or provide him with even part of a living. May he never know a moment's peace.

11 posted on 02/07/2005 4:06:00 PM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: edfrank_1998
I think the native Americans have every right to view us as 'Little Eichmanns' in this context.

Our society replaced theirs in a nasty way. With the majority of people not really at fault, just trying to live their lives. Thus the 'Little Eichmanns' moniker.

I guess the Islamic terrorists see us the same way. From the CNN interview I saw he seemed to be trying to explain why the attacks happened. Including the mindset and rationale of the terrorists. But I need to read his Thesis.

I think this is wise and I am sure that the military thinks of it this way. After all, knowing what your enemy is thinking is ideal.

I take the view that neither side is 'wrong', but that there will be a struggle that will determine who is 'right'. As per the victors write the history idea.

But I am on the side of western civilization, even in the case of the Native Americans. It's kind of like sports. It' too bad there has to be a loser. But that is the nature of our reality, it has always been so.
12 posted on 02/07/2005 4:08:37 PM PST by demecleze
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To: NHResident
From what I know of University of Wisconsin students - they couldn't tell if the sun rose in the east or the west

UW-Stevens Point grad here. You're almost half right though. Was raised out on the prairie & ever since I've moved to the Big Woods, I've had problems knowing east from west but only when the sun isn't shining...

13 posted on 02/07/2005 4:12:03 PM PST by elli1
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To: Obadiah

was invited to Whitewater by a group of Native American students.

Any idea how many NA's on the Whitewater campus? Up here at Stevens Point, there was a bare handful while I was enrolled...2001 grad.

14 posted on 02/07/2005 4:16:09 PM PST by elli1
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To: demecleze

Here's his article:

found at: http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html

"If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it."


His claim as a Keetoowah Band Cherokee has been discredited (by the Keetoowah). AIM specifically says that Churchill doesn't speak for them.

We'll have to disagree on Mr. Churchill.


15 posted on 02/07/2005 4:17:58 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998

Wheaton College, Norton Mass. had Ward Churchill scheduled as a speaker on March 29 th.
I sent them an e-mail and got this response.

Dear Tom,

Ward Churchill will not be speaking at Wheaton. He had been invited to participate in a panel discussion on conflict and genocide, but the college has rescinded its invitation.

Michael Graca
Director, Communications
Wheaton College, Norton MA


16 posted on 02/07/2005 4:19:00 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: edfrank_1998

I don't understand.

What is your position regarding him?



17 posted on 02/07/2005 4:25:16 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze
I think the native Americans have every right to view us as 'Little Eichmanns' in this context.

Oh my, I'll bet you think Christopher Columbus day shouldn't be celebrated anymore either. You think American Indians think we were systematically committing genocide? Did you just come over from DU or what?

18 posted on 02/07/2005 4:30:38 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Capt. Tom
but the college has rescinded its invitation.

I'm surprised they invited him in the first place. Wheaton College is about as conservative college as they come.

19 posted on 02/07/2005 4:34:06 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: NHResident

I can believe that too..Sad..


20 posted on 02/07/2005 4:36:07 PM PST by hineybona
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To: edfrank_1998

hoods....
white sheets....
bucket of hot tar.....
feathers.....

the is the recipe for Ward pie


21 posted on 02/07/2005 4:36:18 PM PST by injin ("until the fight is won......")
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To: Maceman

So sorry for you buddy..Perhaps you should email the school with that post and picture. I would


22 posted on 02/07/2005 4:38:05 PM PST by hineybona
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To: elli1
UW-Stevens Point grad here.

Hey, why can't I buy Point Beer out here in Maryland hey. Yah, been to your campus many times for wrestling meets when I went to Ripon don't-cha-know.

Who here can tell me what a bubbler is for cripes sake?

23 posted on 02/07/2005 4:39:26 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: demecleze
I think the native Americans have every right to view us as 'Little Eichmanns' in this context.

Trouble is, this nut case isn't even Indian. While he claims to be, all he has is an honorary membership to some tribe, kind of like a key to the city thing. But he is as much Indian as the Queen of England.

24 posted on 02/07/2005 4:41:33 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: Capt. Tom

Sorry, wrong Wheaton College...yikes!


25 posted on 02/07/2005 4:43:05 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: demecleze

there's no 'wrong' side?

have you been smokin' dat kill, homez?


26 posted on 02/07/2005 4:47:54 PM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Yes I came over from DU. That is why I disagree with you. Plus you are clearly much smarter than I am and have all the correct answers. You have cowed me with your remarks.

If you took the trouble to actually read my post without your bias glasses on you would have picked up that I AGREE with the attack on the Muslims. I actually think we should stop messing around and fight a total war, wiping them off the planet.

I also agree with the successful attack on the Native Americans, but my point is that they do NOT.

If the Indians were not nearly wiped out where the heck did they all go? Why don't they still have this land? I don't know if the Genocide was systematic but most of them and their civilization is gone that is for sure.

I like Columbus day, although in all fairness it should be Vikings day as they were the first ones here that we know of.

Oh and the personal attack and assumptions about me are a nice touch as well.

Now that I think of it why don't we just post all the opinions we are supposed to have and I'll make sure to have them. Or I'll just email you and you can tell me what to think.


27 posted on 02/07/2005 4:49:39 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze

You asked:

"What is your position regarding him?"


I strongly disagree with statements like this:

found at: http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html

"As to those in the World Trade Center . . .

Well, really. Let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire – the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved – and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance" – a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore" – counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in – and in many cases excelling at – it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it."

Civilians of a sort? He is wrong.

He is also wrong to pass himself off as a member of the Keetoowah Band and use that falsehood to legitimize his arguments.

Here's what the American Indian Movement told him (and the University of Colorado) in 1993 (these are images of the pages of a fairly long letter):

http://www.aimovement.org/csi/LettersWeb/Churchill_Morris11_24_93.jpg

http://www.aimovement.org/csi/LettersWeb/Churchill_MorrisLtr2.jpg

http://www.aimovement.org/csi/LettersWeb/Churchill_MorrisLtr3.jpg

http://www.aimovement.org/csi/LettersWeb/Churchill_MorrisLtr4.jpg

http://www.aimovement.org/csi/LettersWeb/Churchill_MorrisLtr5.jpg

http://www.aimovement.org/csi/LettersWeb/Churchill_MorrisLtr6.jpg

http://www.aimovement.org/csi/LettersWeb/Churchill_MorrisLtr7.jpg

This letter gives a bit of history, but it is interesting in that the American Indian Movement was very clear on page 7. Churchill and Glenn Morris (then Department of Political Science at U Colorado) were expelled from AIM and directed (in bold) to refrain from disrupting the Indian Movement. Or on page 5, "You, Mr. Churchill, after a period of time, which you declared yourself a member of various Indian groups including Creek/Cherokee, now identify yourself as Creek/Cherokee and Metis. To the knowledge of most Indian people, you are the first to declare yourself "Metis" here in the U.S." No mention of the Keetoowah back in 1993. The Keetoowah connection (or lack thereof) has been discussed on another thread here.

I see him as having some flaws. He is, of course, entitled to his opinion. I don't agree with him and I don't want my state tax dollars providing support for him or his views. On 1 March he is scheduled to participate in a day long "Native Pride Day" at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater (a state school). I don't believe he's a member of a tribe or band and on that basis (on which he promotes himself) should not appear there.


28 posted on 02/07/2005 4:51:00 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: Maceman; edfrank_1998
Your words: "I knew both of those women. One was a family friend. Words cannot express my outrage at Ward Churchill or any institution that would give him a platform or provide him with even part of a living. May he never know a moment's peace.

I would like confirmation that you, of all people, have used the information edfrank-1998 gave you:
UW-W Faculty & Staff Directory Miller, Jack millerjw@uww.edu Chancellor Office Phone: (262) 472-1918 Chancellor's Office Office Location: HY 400

I am most interested in the response you got when you called this @sshole's office. I plan on calling tommorow. Do you have any tips about what to expect when talking to these people?
29 posted on 02/07/2005 4:51:57 PM PST by demkicker (I'm Ra th er sick of Dan)
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To: Chef Dajuan
So there is a right side?

Does it always win? If not then in history who was right and who was wrong?

I think you will find a ready correlation between winning and being right.

What constitutes a wrong side? Just so I know what the signs are.

By the way do you speak English as a first language?
30 posted on 02/07/2005 4:52:03 PM PST by demecleze
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To: injin

You said:

"hoods....
white sheets....
bucket of hot tar.....
feathers.....

the is the recipe for Ward pie"

Nope. Besides, he's speaking at Whitewater, not in Edgerton.


31 posted on 02/07/2005 4:53:09 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: Maceman

I feel your pain--sincerely


32 posted on 02/07/2005 4:53:12 PM PST by rbg81
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Ain'a so?


33 posted on 02/07/2005 4:54:04 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998

Don't you see his point though? About how our enemies past and present see things? It is perspective: imagine the perspective of the people of Gaul toward Rome.

I saw him on the interview, he is clearly of Native American descent. I think they are distancing themselves from him.



34 posted on 02/07/2005 4:55:51 PM PST by demecleze
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To: AlaskaErik

He sure looks like he is. Plus he thinks he is so he regards himself as a member of that group.


35 posted on 02/07/2005 4:57:16 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze

the right side doesn't fly airplanes into skyscrapers or behead people.

we're the right side. if you don't think america's ABSOLUTELY the right side, then maybe a move to france should be thought of.


i grew up in ohio and there's nothing wrong with my english, thank you very much. just having some fun. i'd be perfectly happy to translate the last sentence in that post for you, you poor culturally deprived child.....


36 posted on 02/07/2005 5:05:36 PM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: demecleze

You asked:

"Don't you see his point though? About how our enemies past and present see things? It is perspective: imagine the perspective of the people of Gaul toward Rome.

I saw him on the interview, he is clearly of Native American descent. I think they are distancing themselves from him. "

You previously asked me a specific question and I gave you a detailed answer (with references). And this is all you ask? Have you read his article? Did you read the letter from the American Indian Movement? AIM wrote that in 1993. How can they be distancing themselves now?

4 airplanes went down on 9/11. They didn't have to. Churchill thought it justified and a rational act of war. He's wrong.


37 posted on 02/07/2005 5:05:43 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Sorry, wrong Wheaton College...yikes!

I knew Ward Churchill was scheduled here in Massachusetts at Wheaton College on March 29th.

I waited awhile to give Wheaton a chance to dump him or standby him.

I e- mailed Wheaton College last night and today I got the reply that his invitation was recinded.

I was glad to hear that. - Tom

38 posted on 02/07/2005 5:07:53 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Chef Dajuan
OK. Planes as weapons and beheadings.

Got it.
39 posted on 02/07/2005 5:09:05 PM PST by demecleze
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To: edfrank_1998
Yes I read his Essay(complete with obscenities).

I perused those AIM documents. I noted that it was from 1993.

I just read about(not very long ago) the tribes reinteration that he is not a member of their tribe. And that he was not even of Native American descent.

That is what I was referring to. Sorry about the confusion.

OK. As far as my question.

Didn't have to happen. He's wrong.

Got it.
40 posted on 02/07/2005 5:14:44 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze
The Indians fought us in even more nasty ways than we fought them, but that part of the history has been cleansed.

This isn't some racist genocide as Native American activists have portrayed it. The settlement of the American frontier was just another episode of the clash between a hunter/gatherer civilization, which requires huge amounts of land to support a small population, and agriculturalists, who support far larger numbers but limit the herds. This clash has been going on ever since domestic agriculture was invented in Mesopotamia thousands of years ago. The agriculturalists always win.

(Please, I know there were some Native American agriculturist tribes, but they occupied a very small part of the American landmass.)

41 posted on 02/07/2005 5:19:41 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker
The Indians actually farmed quite extensively. Plus, the Indian farmers should have prevailed if your thesis were to be true(considering the time span they were there).

There is another more serious problem with your thesis, many places were converted from nomadic to farming but the people were still the same.

The Indians are gone from quite large population estimates. They are limited to reserves.

I did not state that the Indians did not fight just as bad or worse, in fact there is evidence that Caucasians were in North America (a 7000 year old skeleton has been found and there are stories of a red haired tribe). These Caucasians were wiped out.
42 posted on 02/07/2005 5:28:18 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze

Here's another from his essay:

"Hence, it can be concluded that ravings carried by the "news" media since September 11 have contained at least one grain of truth: The peoples of the Mideast "aren't like" Americans, not least because they don't "value life' in the same way. By this, it should be understood that Middle-Easterners, unlike Americans, have no history of exterminating others purely for profit, or on the basis of racial animus. Thus, we can appreciate the fact that they value life – all lives, not just their own – far more highly than do their U.S. counterparts."

I've been to ogrish and viewed videos of beheadings. He's wrong about them valuing "all lives, not just their own - far more highly than do their U.S. counterparts."


43 posted on 02/07/2005 5:30:16 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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To: edfrank_1998
Yes he is wrong about much. Humans everywhere as groups wage war for profit. That is the point of war, to secure land, influence, trade, security or whatever.

No one fights a war with the goal of loosing something of value.

Plus the people there are very cruel and hard hearted. As evidenced by the dull knife beheadings. Hammarabi actually warns us of this in his law code.

I would say the US values life more than the middle east, but I think that we do value our enemies lives in about the same contempt.

My whole point of being annoying about this is that his essay points out a truth of our existence on this planet. That groups of humans struggle for dominance and that is the way it has to be.

We all resent it (yes even Bin Laden himself). Wish there could be peace, but we know our destiny lies in War. And we know not how to change it.

I am of the opinion that truth such as that should probably be left unsaid, and even when it is studied only in an academic setting. But this is at odds with my belief in free speech.

So I am perplexed.
44 posted on 02/07/2005 5:39:36 PM PST by demecleze
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To: demecleze
Most of your post doesn't make much sense. To European agriculturalists the land looked empty, they occupied it and farmed it.

The Native Americans have made an enormous mistake by staying on the reservations. The European-Americans made their own painful transition from an agricultural to an industrial and urban economy. This has been very painful for the rural areas that have lost population and whole towns as fewer farmers are needed. By staying on the reservations, the Native Americans place themselves in an economically untenable position - there's not enough work in those rural areas and never will be.

45 posted on 02/07/2005 5:43:20 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker

Why wouldn't the land look empty to the Indian agriculturalists as well?

That is the main problem with your Thesis.


46 posted on 02/07/2005 5:49:13 PM PST by demecleze
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To: colorado tanker

"Most of your post doesn't make much sense."

Sorry. But some of the ancillary stuff that might have confused you is just too much work to explain properly.


47 posted on 02/07/2005 5:50:57 PM PST by demecleze
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To: AnAmericanMother

Aren't 90% of college students "native Americans"? Perhaps they should check and see whether any of these people are really Indians.


48 posted on 02/07/2005 5:53:06 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib
;-)

Me too.

49 posted on 02/07/2005 6:08:45 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: demecleze

You said:

"My whole point of being annoying about this is that his essay points out a truth of our existence on this planet. That groups of humans struggle for dominance and that is the way it has to be."

That's the nature of the beast at any level. I think the difference is our "dominance" is a dominance that permits an individual to think or do pretty much what he wants (within societal limits established as laws). Opportunity dominance, if you will. Other systems of government and society don't like or want that (see WWII and Hitler or any number of current demagogues).

Our republic is different. In a sense, our message is "Knock off the foolishness and let's make some money." And the individual has an opportunity to share in that.

Groups struggling for dominance within our republic could be call political parties, among others. We manage to hold our elections without warfare, for the most part. And we don't impose our system on others without provocation or reason. We left governments in Europe pretty much the way they were after WWII (active monarchies remained and republics like Germany restored). We didn't arbitrarily impose our system on everyone. I don't think Churchill would make that distinction.


50 posted on 02/07/2005 6:12:25 PM PST by edfrank_1998
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