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Males slow to realise 'men are quick thinkers' claim could offend
The Australian ^ | February 07, 2005 | Roger Dobson and Will Iredale

Posted on 02/11/2005 6:20:56 AM PST by presidio9

BOYS may be outperformed by girls at school but there is a glimmer of hope for them. Researchers claim to have found scientific proof that men can think faster than women.

Their study found that men's brain cells could transmit nerve impulses faster than women's – potentially giving males the intellectual edge.

The claim will add fuel to the debate recently triggered by Larry Summers, the president of Harvard University, who challenged the prevailing wisdom when he suggested women were innately less able than men in subjects such as maths and science.

The new study is likely to prompt similar anger. This weekend, the intellectual credentials of the researchers – all male – were themselves already being challenged by other eminent neurologists. In the study, scientists measured nerve conduction velocity, the speed at which messages passed through and between brain cells.

Other studies have suggested the speed of such impulses is linked to intelligence, drawing parallels with computers, where faster processors result in more power to carry out tasks quickly.

The latest paper, to be published shortly in the academic journal Intelligence, will say: "Males had four faster NCVs than females. This very significant sex difference in all test conditions in favour of males was most unexpected."

Under the research, scientists carried out investigations on 186 male and 201 female Canadian students, who were subjected to a battery of cognitive tests to assess their intelligence and other mental skills.

Researchers also measured the length of their subjects' heads to estimate the distance impulses would have to travel from the eye to the primary visual cortex, which interprets what someone is seeing.

Then they used electrodes to measure how long it took for an image flashed in front of the eye to send an impulse back to the visual cortex.

Professor Edward Reed, a zoologist at Toronto University, and Philip Vernon and Andrew Johnson, psychologists at the University of Western Ontario, found the impulses were speeding through men's brains faster than through women's. They suggest this is because the nerves in men's brains have a slightly thicker coating of myelin, a fatty material which protects the nerves and improves conductivity.

The report concludes: "We find that males have four faster NCVs than females with each of the three test conditions, probably due to their faster increase of white matter in the brain during adolescence."

The researchers appear to have realised only recently that such conclusions could prove political and controversial. This weekend all three were refusing to comment on their findings although Vernon said he would consider replying to emails.

It has long been clear that men's and women's brains do have important differences and each tends to perform certain tasks slightly better than the other. For example, some studies suggest men have better spatial skills, while women may be more emotionally aware and verbally fluent.

However, most experts point out that the differences are small compared with the similarities and that there is far more variation between individuals than genders.

Bruce Burns, assistant professor in the department of psychology at Michigan State University, conducted a study of chess players, suggesting those who were quicker thinkers were likely to make better moves.

He said: "There is controversy about sex difference but there seems to be a fair amount of agreement that men do tend to have better visual spatial skills. However, I am not sure we can say that makes them more intelligent."

Desmond Morris, the social anthropologist and zoologist, said evolutionary pressures were likely to have given men and women slightly different skills. "Perhaps men's better visual responses came from having to hunt animals while women developed personal skills from child-rearing and co-operating to grow or gather plants," he said.

However, others reject such simple analyses, comparing the methods of the Canadian research to phrenology, a discredited Victorian science which attempted to link intelligence, creativity and other mental faculties to the size and shape of people's skulls.

Professor Steven Rose, director of the brain and behaviour research group at Britain's Open University, said previous studies suggested no difference in decision-making between men and women. "It is true that men and women use different parts of the brain for similar tasks but the time taken to complete the tasks is identical."

Bea Campbell, the feminist writer and historian, also questioned the findings. "The distribution of intelligence is much the same for all genders and all races," she said. "Our experience and common sense tells us that the quest to prove one or another biological group is brainier than the other is really a vain exercise."


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1 posted on 02/11/2005 6:20:56 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

I knew that!


2 posted on 02/11/2005 6:23:46 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: presidio9

3 posted on 02/11/2005 6:25:00 AM PST by ProudVet77 (Survivor of the great blizzard of aught five)
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To: Andy from Beaverton


WE see more shades of red than you
And are able to use both sides of the brain at the same time while you BOYS can only use 1 side

Quickness is not an intellectual edge.


4 posted on 02/11/2005 6:27:27 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: presidio9
Bea Campbell, the feminist writer and historian, also questioned the findings. "The distribution of intelligence is much the same for all genders and all races," she said. "Our experience and common sense tells us that the quest to prove one or another biological group is brainier than the other is really a vain exercise."

How brainy and vain does one have to be to be a "feminist" writer and historian?

5 posted on 02/11/2005 6:27:39 AM PST by rickmichaels ("We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way." - Toby Keith)
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To: presidio9

=== "There is controversy about sex difference but there seems to be a fair amount of agreement that men do tend to have better visual spatial skills. However, I am not sure we can say that makes them more intelligent."===

Of course men, on average, are more intelligent. But intelligence is somewhat a subjective term. If one deems it "the mental capacity required to survive", then I think the answer is a clear yes.

Visual/Spacial skills are extremely important if hunting down food in the crudest sense, or fighting in modern warfare in the most recent sense.

This is not to say men are "better" than women because it is not a matter of who is better. Men are better at some things, women are better at others.

The world would be a hell of a place if men were left to raise children. The kids would be sitting in smelly diapers for days while dad tried to figure out how to reach level 45 on a video game.


6 posted on 02/11/2005 6:28:04 AM PST by Paloma_55
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Bea Campbell, the feminist writer and historian, also questioned the findings. "The distribution of intelligence is much the same for all genders and all races,"


DON'T COMPARE RACE AND GENDER.


7 posted on 02/11/2005 6:28:37 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
And are able to use both sides of the brain at the same time while you BOYS can only use 1 side

Whatever gets you through the lonely nights, sweetheart.

8 posted on 02/11/2005 6:28:44 AM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Paloma_55


STUDIES LIKE THIS ARE for explaination, NOT LIMITATION.


9 posted on 02/11/2005 6:29:32 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: presidio9

hhummmm...don't know that I would agree with that assessment...after all, wasn't it Eve that enticed Adam to bite the apple...:)


10 posted on 02/11/2005 6:31:24 AM PST by smiley
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To: presidio9
"Screech! Sexism!"
11 posted on 02/11/2005 6:31:32 AM PST by pabianice
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Was that a QUICK retort? :)


12 posted on 02/11/2005 6:32:52 AM PST by Paloma_55
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) ""some studies suggest men have better spatial skills, while women may be more emotionally aware and verbally fluent.""


Generally,
Some women have better spatial skills and some men are more emotionally aware and verbally fluent.

I don't want to hear about someone's wife who is a Mathematician. Some women are excellent in math, some men are excellent writers.

TYPICALLY.

""men have better spatial skills, while women ARE more emotionally aware and verbally fluent.""
13 posted on 02/11/2005 6:33:23 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: presidio9
the quest to prove one or another biological group is brainier than the other is really a vain exercise

Did she think that song was about her?

15 posted on 02/11/2005 6:33:38 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: presidio9

Men (GENERALLY) tend to be linear thinkers, and task oriented and don't multi task well. Women tend to be more organic thinkers, multitask incredibly well.

This is just the way it is.


16 posted on 02/11/2005 6:33:55 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Mathemagician
DON'T COMPARE RACE AND GENDER.

it's such a liberal thing to compare race and gender.

The Liberals are always interchanging race and gender. Like that discrimination of homosexuals is the same as discrimination of blacks.

I don't want a GAY man teaching my kid's kindergarten class.
17 posted on 02/11/2005 6:35:43 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: presidio9

I think there is a reason mens brains are fractionally faster than womens -- men were (historically) out hunting animals, and in that situation a fraction of a second can mean the difference between having food, or being food.

I doubt the fractionally faster response times mean anything in terms of overall intelligence.


18 posted on 02/11/2005 6:36:08 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: presidio9
Males slow to realise 'men are quick thinkers' claim could offend

Of course, one of the other things men are better at is not giving a good goddamn about offending the ultra-sensitive.

19 posted on 02/11/2005 6:36:36 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: Glenn

Men are faster at some things..


20 posted on 02/11/2005 6:36:51 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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