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NYC:New York Hits Online Sellers of Cigarettes
New York Times.com ^ | 2-12-05 | IAN URBINA

Posted on 02/12/2005 2:20:01 PM PST by SheLion

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To: SheLion
How desperate are these idiot lawmakers. This is the most pathetic attempt to collect money I have ever witnessed in my entire life.

Hardly "pathetic". It is terrifying. The police state in action courtesy of Ubergrupenfuhrer Spitzer. Expect him to outdo himself in the future as New York's next Governor.

41 posted on 02/12/2005 3:27:33 PM PST by montag813
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To: SheLion

And yet some people just don't get it!

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42 posted on 02/12/2005 3:34:19 PM PST by quietolong
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To: SheLion

You are right about at least one thing -- this is all about money!


43 posted on 02/12/2005 3:38:28 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: firebrand; SheLion
"Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them."

Link, please.

I don't believe it.
I've bought cigarettes on line many times, and the max I could buy with one purchase was two cartons.
Now, I suppose I could have bought two cartons every day for sixty days and had a pretty good stash, but I don't think the profit would have been worth the time.

44 posted on 02/12/2005 3:44:13 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: SheLion

I also found this older article-
M/C falling in line?:
Attorney General Takes On Internet Cigarette Sales
Mon 02-07-2005 , 6:18 pm
SNIP***
Wisconsin Justice Department officials said Attorney Peg Lautenschlager will soon meet with executives of credit card companies to urge them to review the legality of processing online, cigarette purchases.

Officials said other state attorneys general will also be involved in the meeting. Last month, Lautenschlager and forty two other attorneys general signed on to a letter to credit card company executives which warned them ''virtually all online tobacoo retailers engage in illegal sales.''

SNIP**
http://www.wkowtv.com/$spindb.!query.1listnews.storeview.13993.news


45 posted on 02/12/2005 3:45:44 PM PST by Mark (Lib Kinsley-LA Times-"I'm sick of talking about values..When I want values I go to Wal-Mart"))
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To: firebrand

"Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets."

No, the politicians took the money out of our pockets when they got certifiably stupid with their mega tax hike on cigarettes. This was bot predictable and predicted.

Frankly I'm glad for every cent "stolen"


46 posted on 02/12/2005 3:47:38 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: SheLion

I was born and raised in PA and moved to NY seven years ago. The taxes here on everything are outrageous. If the state is cracking down on people who buy cigarettes in other states over the internet to save money, why don't they stop cars at the border when they cross into NY after filling up there gas tanks in a state like PA where gas is currently at least 20 cents cheaper per gallon? Why don't they stop my car at the border when I go out of state to purchase clothing that I don't pay taxes on? Instead of spying on law abiding citizens trying to save some money, why don't you crack down on the real crooks? Take a look around your office Mr. Spitzer. What's next? Will you be outlawing coupons used at the grocery stores?


47 posted on 02/12/2005 3:51:23 PM PST by virgoagogo123
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To: firebrand
Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets.

Taking out of YOUR POCKETS????

48 posted on 02/12/2005 3:52:20 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
And to think we started the Revolutionary War primarily over a 3% tax.
49 posted on 02/12/2005 3:53:39 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: firebrand
Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets.

So.  You are from New York.  Probably NYC.  By taking the taxes out of "your pockets," are you just a little afraid that with the loss of revenue from the smokers, that maybe.............just maybe the City will be taxing something 'you' love pretty soon to make up for the loss of money?  Sounds like it to ME!

50 posted on 02/12/2005 3:55:11 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: virgoagogo123

Spitzer is a creep and everybody knows he's a creep, but few will say so out loud. Too bad.


51 posted on 02/12/2005 3:55:56 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: jocon307
Cripes how I hate them all.

MOST lawmakers are turning into gluttons! I can't stand them.

52 posted on 02/12/2005 3:56:31 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: conservative in nyc
Did it ever occur to our politicians that maybe people are flocking to Internet sites to buy cigarettes because our cigarette taxes are too high, and they'd likely collect more in taxes if they LOWERED them?


53 posted on 02/12/2005 3:58:31 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: lolhelp
If that is true, it would not take the ATF long to arrest the ones doing it. Where did you get your information?

I don't think he knows what he is talking about, unless he can prove to us that he does.

I doubt if some people are buying mass quantities. Who can afford the POSTAGE?

54 posted on 02/12/2005 4:00:09 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion

Lawyers chime in:
N.Y. Suit Against Internet Cigarette Sellers Dismissed, but City Can Refile
Mark Hamblett
New York Law Journal
01-28-2005
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1106573741396

And the hits keep coming:
http://www.magicvalley.com/news/worldnation/index.asp?StoryID=11850


55 posted on 02/12/2005 4:01:50 PM PST by Mark (Lib Kinsley-LA Times-"I'm sick of talking about values..When I want values I go to Wal-Mart"))
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To: firebrand
New Yorkers are very foolish to believe they can tax cigarettes to oblivion and then prohibit smuggling.
56 posted on 02/12/2005 4:02:01 PM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: gidget7
Exactly, cigarettes are legal, and there is NO law that requires anyone to buy anything form the state or city they live in.

Right! It's the American Way to Shop Cheap, that is why Wal-Mart was born.

When the states raised their taxes on cigarettes so high that people didn't like it, then they went elsewhere to find them cheaper.

Be it roll your own or over state lines, Reservations or the Internet.

57 posted on 02/12/2005 4:02:24 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
New York City alone is losing more than $75 million a year in uncollected tax revenues because of the sales.

Follow the money.

If it wasn't for the cash flow, why the likes of Nancy Pelosi would be all for revenue reductions of Bush.

After all, without the access via political clout where would the likes of Nancy get their political funding?

Buyer beware when one tells you you aren't paying enough.

58 posted on 02/12/2005 4:03:45 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: The Loan Arranger
If I were a smoker, I'd vote with my feet!!

Doesn't do any good. The lawmakers promise us the moon to get our vote. Once they are in office, it's to hell with their constituents.

59 posted on 02/12/2005 4:04:16 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: gidget7
MA, CT, NY, NJ, all are up around the same when taxes are added in. They figure its a good way to raise revenue. Trouble is they don't allow smoking anywhere, and a lot have quit. So thats even more money they were counting on and not getting.

Don't forget to add Maine to your list. Maine went totally smoke free in January of 2004. And the cigarette taxes are horrible. I roll my own!

60 posted on 02/12/2005 4:05:56 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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