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States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile
CBS | Feb. 14, 2005 | [none cited]

Posted on 02/15/2005 10:16:10 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder

States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile CORVALLIS, Ore., Feb. 14, 2005

(CBS) College student Jayson Just commutes an odometer-spinning 2,000 miles a month. As CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes reports, his monthly gas bill once topped his car payment.

"I was paying about $500 a month," says Just.

So Just bought a fuel efficient hybrid and said goodbye to his gas-guzzling BMW.

And what kind of mileage does he get?

"The EPA estimate is 60 in the city, 51 on the highway," says Just.

And that saves him almost $300 a month in gas. It's great for Just but bad for the roads he's driving on, because he also pays a lot less in gasoline taxes which fund highway projects and road repairs. As more and more hybrids hit the road, cash-strapped states are warning of rough roads ahead.

Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."

Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea.

"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that," says engineer David Kim.

Kim and his team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.

"So, if you drive 10 miles you will pay a certain fee which will be, let's say, one tenth of what someone pays if they drive 100 miles," says Kim.

The new tax would be charged each time you fill up. A computer inside the gas pump would communicate with your car's odometer to calculate how much you owe.

The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.

"We're getting a lot of interest from other states," says Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation. "They're watching what we're doing.

"Transportation officials across the country are concerned about what's going to happen with the gas tax revenues."

Privacy advocates say it's more like big brother riding on your bumper, not to mention a disincentive to buy fuel-efficient cars.

"It's not fair for people like me who have to commute, and we don't have any choice but take the freeways," says Just. "We shouldn't have to be taxed."

But tax-by-mile advocates say it may be the only way to ensure that fuel efficiency doesn't prevent smooth sailing down the road.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gastax; goodidea; hybrid; mile; mileage; mileagetax; taxes; transportation

1 posted on 02/15/2005 10:16:10 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Lousy idea, IMO.


2 posted on 02/15/2005 10:17:11 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

every gallon is already taxed and taxed and taxed ad nauseum


3 posted on 02/15/2005 10:17:34 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Time to REVOLT!


4 posted on 02/15/2005 10:18:27 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Kim and his team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.

Call me stupid, but I thought a speedometer already did this.

5 posted on 02/15/2005 10:19:43 AM PST by skip_intro
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Do we have a link?


6 posted on 02/15/2005 10:20:34 AM PST by dandelion (http://thequestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG TAXING, BIG SPENDING, BIG BROTHER continues it's taxing ways of hitting your pocket book. Bad enough they tax you to build the stinking roads, now they will tax you for using the roads that your tax dollars built!!!! Folks, IT IS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION. IT IS TIME TO TAKE BACK THIS REPUBLIC FROM THE FOOLS IN THE VARIOUS LEGISLATURES AROUND THIS REPUBLIC! Call it what you like. Soon, you will not have a dime to your name. You earn $5,000 a month. You will give $5,000 a month to the government. To reissue as they see fit. BIG GOVERNMENT. Led by republicans, democrats, communists and socialists. They are all doing it.
7 posted on 02/15/2005 10:20:34 AM PST by RetiredArmy (America will NEVER be free as long as we have Democrats.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

"Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."

"Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea. "

First these idiots bitch when you use gas, and then bitch when you don't pay the taxes since you are not using gas.
Al Qaeida is not our worst problem...the Al Gores of America are.


8 posted on 02/15/2005 10:21:33 AM PST by American Vet Repairman (If you are going to play with fire make sure someone is getting it on video.)
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To: skip_intro

An odometer, even ;D


9 posted on 02/15/2005 10:21:42 AM PST by ECM
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To: dandelion

Sorry, no link. Apologies for the dupe post.


10 posted on 02/15/2005 10:22:10 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Stop the illegals from entering our country for a period of 1 week a year. There's your savings required to maintain roads and highways in America.


11 posted on 02/15/2005 10:22:47 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: skip_intro
Call me stupid, but I thought a speedometer already did this.

Yes, but the government can't make you bring it in to read it.

12 posted on 02/15/2005 10:24:08 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: skip_intro

Yes, but a mere odometer would imply voluntary reporting > compliance and obviate the need for a new revenue-collection beaurocracy. Can't have that.


13 posted on 02/15/2005 10:24:19 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

The problem in California is not that there is enough gasoline taxes taken in. The problem in California is that gasoline taxes are rolled into the General Fund instead of a specific fund to be only used for road repairs. Because the gasoline taxes go into the General Fund, the politicians start using the money in the General Fund for their stupid socialist welfare projects.


14 posted on 02/15/2005 10:25:00 AM PST by Frohickey
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

This is just un-friggin-believable.

In Washington state, our car tabs used to be based on the value of our cars. I drove a BMW, but didn't need to drive much (I put 30k on it in six years) - I was paying $700-$800 a year to license my car. A liberal friend of ours who drives and economy car, and drives a LOT more than I do, sent me email opposing the initiative that lowered our car tabs. In his mind, I should have paid much more than him - even though I used the roads less - because I had a nice car.

I don't like this at all, and I can't imagine the rank-and-file hybrid-driving lefties are going to stand for this either. It doesn't hurt rich people enough.


15 posted on 02/15/2005 10:28:26 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Humina, humina, humina...)
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To: RetiredArmy
BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG TAXING, BIG SPENDING, BIG BROTHER

All done by incrementalism by reasonable moderate citizens to their own children.

16 posted on 02/15/2005 10:28:53 AM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Whoa!

All those caps made my ears bleed!

We know about the Dems, and their spin doctor Dean. We can stop them. VOTE. Tell others to vote and tell the who you are voting for and why. Don't waste you breath on hard core Libs, they will vote for satan if he ran as a democrat. (really, I have had two people tell me this, one flashed his DNC card as he did)

Push for voting reform so the dead and other can not vote let alone vote twice.

We can not become Canada.
17 posted on 02/15/2005 10:31:46 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Got it Bad, Got it Bad, Got it Bad, I'm hot for Teacher! (and she's hot for me too))
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To: Bahbah

Inspection Sticker Time.


18 posted on 02/15/2005 10:32:46 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Bahbah

Inspection Sticker Time.


19 posted on 02/15/2005 10:34:28 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: American Vet Repairman
First these idiots bitch when you use gas, and then bitch when you don't pay the taxes since you are not using gas

Imagine what would happen if the War On Smoking succeeded. Some states would have to declare bankruptcy!

20 posted on 02/15/2005 10:35:06 AM PST by freedumb2003 (We will win with the Sword Of Teamwork and the Hammer Of Not-bickering!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Not endorsing the idea, but by any measure it should be by ton-mile, not by mile. A mile in a Corolla chews up a lot less road (metinks) than a mile in a Hummer. Gas tax kinda automatically accounts for this. And this idea indirectly penalizes efficiency, an all round dumb idea. Which means it's sure to catch on.


21 posted on 02/15/2005 10:36:29 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: Vaquero

Gasoline would be cheap without the taxes heaped upon it. There's no mention of removing those gas taxes when they go to the per-mile tax, is there?


22 posted on 02/15/2005 10:36:33 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: massgopguy

Yes, inspection sticker time. However, how often is that...once per year. Imagine getting your tax bill for driving your car once a year. First, the government wouldn't have the money for a long time. Second, just how upset would the taxpayer be with that bill? JMHO, but I don't think that would work.


23 posted on 02/15/2005 10:37:32 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: BenLurkin
Hmm... GPS embedded? Odometer up-links to gas pumps? Chip-sets in our children? They have tracking info for our cell phones already...

Future Fast Forward: you'll need to file for permissions and pay various rates to travel to other cites and states... Sounds like the old CCCP to me!

Could it be a Brave New World?
24 posted on 02/15/2005 10:38:03 AM PST by Barney59 (Now there's a man with an open mind - you can feel the breeze from here!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Hacking the clocks which would make you get taxed more will be common place.


25 posted on 02/15/2005 10:39:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Sounds like a bad idea to me. In fact it sounds like it would hit the poorest hardest. I can afford to live downtown, near my work. I take the bus everyday because it's close, fast, relaxing and cheaper than parking. However, if one can't afford to live near work and has to commute, at least they can get a smaller car and save on gas... that is, until they start taxing per mile. If states are so strapped for highways money they would be better off either raising the gas taxes already in place, or spending the money they already collect better, IMHO.


26 posted on 02/15/2005 10:40:52 AM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Yes, but a mere odometer would imply voluntary reporting > compliance and obviate the need for a new revenue-collection beaurocracy. Can't have that.

You're right. A new bureaucracy is the key to this idea. They'd have to certify the GPS units, probably on a yearly basis, for a fee. Of course, the GPS would also have to be installed by a government approved installer. And no doubt, there would be a yearly use tax, as well.

And, of course, this system could never work if individual states adopted it. What happens if you're from out of state, and your state doesn't use the system?

No, we couldn't have that, so a federal program would have to be implemented, as well. More fees, more inspections.

It's a bureaucrat's nirvana.

27 posted on 02/15/2005 10:42:42 AM PST by skip_intro
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I am sick of states balancing their budgets on the backs of taxpayers! Every time we turn around there is another news story about states looking for ways to gain more money--why?
We taxpayers need to fight back! In Michigan--the governor is now wanting to tax people who want to go to Mackinac Island--she needs more money to shut the school leaders up, and to get re-elected. Now they want to keep track of every mile you drive! What is wrong? We are overtaxed, under represented and ruled by a large dictator--the government.


28 posted on 02/15/2005 10:43:42 AM PST by truthingod
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To: Bahbah

Its also easy as heck to roll back an odometer and not get caught. Just ask any used-car salesman.


29 posted on 02/15/2005 10:48:02 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
But tax-by-mile advocates say it may be the only way to ensure that fuel efficiency doesn't prevent smooth sailing down the road.

but...! but...!

Until oil drilling in ANWAR is allowed and nuclear power plants are allowed to be built as needed, I thought that vehicle fuel efficiency was the be-all and end-all of environmental discussion.

Turns out to be "tax revenues" instead?
"Smooth sailing" for the open-ended collection of taxes? Imagine that.

If a few of these state employees disappear from the state's employment rolls, perhaps that will send the clearest and loudest message of all...

30 posted on 02/15/2005 11:05:41 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I figured out how much I pay in all taxes, fed income tax, state income tax, state sales tax, car registration tax, property tax, social security tax, medicare tax, phone line taxes, road taxes (speeding), crapital gains, and it came to 44% of my income and that doesn't include the taxes that are hidden in the things that I buy. 44% is rediculous for anyone, especially someone only making $35k/year.

Don't know if armed rebellion is in order yet, but we're not far from it. It would be best to do this via the political process. What we need to do is recall 90% of the politicians, both Democrats AND MOST Republicans. The human debris that we have as politicians who made the problems will not fix them.

We need to put people in there who will respect the constitution. Sosh security, Mediscare, Medicaid, school lunches, school brunches, farm subsidies, welfare, all of this B.S. is unconstitutional.

If the constitution doesn't specifically outline a certain resposibility, it SHOULD NOT do it. About the only thing the feds should be doing is national defense, the post office, and foreign policy. And I'm not so sure the post office should be a responsiblity of the govt. anymore.


31 posted on 02/15/2005 11:08:34 AM PST by foobeca
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
A computer inside the gas pump would communicate with your car's odometer to calculate how much you owe.

Has anyone asked Big Oil how much it will cost to retool all the pumps to receive the signals, calculate the tax, and report it to the state? And what about the independent gasoline retailers, like the Stop 'N Go's or supermarkets? Who will maintain their sophisticated pumps?

-PJ

32 posted on 02/15/2005 11:15:55 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Barney59

People just don't get it.

REAL ID BILL PASSES (Sensenbrenner's illegal alien bill passes, will be attached to Iraq bill)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1340612/posts


NYC:New York Hits Online Sellers of Cigarettes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1341931/posts

McDonald's to pay $8.5 million in trans fat lawsuit (Here we go)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1341733/posts

Not to far off?
Ordering a pizza

http://www.aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

The only thing is the use of cash will be illegal


33 posted on 02/15/2005 11:52:20 AM PST by quietolong
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To: Political Junkie Too

Most pumps are already computer controlled. It would be a small matter to add this on.
A board to read the car. That’s cheap. And a software update in the pump.


34 posted on 02/15/2005 12:00:22 PM PST by quietolong
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

This idea was invented by an al-Qaeda mole, upset that the existing tax system rewards people for cutting the revenue to their state sponsors.


35 posted on 02/15/2005 12:48:53 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: quietolong
Most pumps are already computer controlled. It would be a small matter to add this on.

But, is Big Oil willing to take on this effort? or the cost? Will the cost of retrofitting every pump be passed onto the consumer in higher gasoline prices? When will the government mandate that this be implemented? What other efforts would Big Oil have to defer to meet the government mandate?

Is anybody talking to them at all?

-PJ

36 posted on 02/15/2005 12:50:12 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: RetiredArmy
IT IS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION. IT IS TIME TO TAKE BACK THIS REPUBLIC FROM THE FOOLS IN THE VARIOUS LEGISLATURES AROUND THIS REPUBLIC

We are way overdue for one hell of a backlash.

37 posted on 02/15/2005 12:50:53 PM PST by Digger
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To: Digger

I concur.


38 posted on 02/15/2005 12:56:00 PM PST by RetiredArmy (America will NEVER be free as long as we have Democrats.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Hear, hear!


39 posted on 02/15/2005 1:02:47 PM PST by CBF ('' .... behind every blade of grass.'')
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