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America's Most Dangerous Gang - MS13 - Violent, Vicious, and Spreading Fast.
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Posted on 02/20/2005 10:53:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe

America's Most Dangerous Gang
by Shelly Feuer Domash

Spreading from El Salvador to L.A. and across the United States, Mara Salvatrucha 13 is increasingly well organized and deadly.

Within one hour, two people were found murdered miles apart in suburban Nassau County, N.Y. After an intensive investigation, police officials learned the murders were the work of the violent street gang Mara Salvatrucha 13. It also soon became apparent the gang was sending a bold message to its members and associates. That message: “If you are not loyal, you are dead.”

But there was another message in the brutal slayings for the people of Long Island. And that message was that gang violence had moved into the upper middle class enclaves of the Island, into the kinds of communities where the locals assume that crime is somebody else’s problem.

Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) is unfortunately becoming everybody’s problem. This plague that came to Long Island from El Salvador by way of the streets of Los Angeles follows the same migratory patterns as the Salvadoran immigrant community that it preys upon, fanning out across the United States from ethnic enclaves in California.

Coming Together

Until recently, MS-13 wasn’t that big a player in East Coast gang culture. The reason for its weak position in the East Coast crime world was obvious: It wasn’t very well organized. MS-13 was comprised of a group of cliques that operated independently of each other.

No more. Law enforcement officials now report that gang members from across the country have come together to unite affiliated groups up and down the East Coast. The leadership for these cliques is now coming from as far away as California and even from El Salvador.

Robert Hart, senior agent in charge with the FBI, says that when individual groups of MS-13 unite, the results can be devastating. “The cliques, instead of operating independently of each other, are beginning to come together,” Hart explains. “The difference is by doing that, obviously you have a much tighter organization, much stronger structures and, instead of having various cliques doing whatever they want, wherever they want, there is one individual who is the leader and is able to control the payment of dues and the criminal acts they engage in. The result is very, very similar to what you would see in what we refer to as traditional organized criminal families.”

Finding Sanctuary

Los Angeles and New York law enforcement and even politicians are aware of the impact of MS-13 on their streets and on their crime statistics. So they’ve taken action. The results are usually not stellar, but at least these cities have recognized that MS-13 is a problem. Unfortunately, the leadership of MS-13 is not stupid. Once the heat comes down hard in L.A. and New York, they head for new turf, choosing Midwestern and Southern and suburban cities where gangs “are not an issue” and local officials and authorities are in denial.

And once MS-13 takes hold in a community, it grows fast. The gang reportedly has some 300 members in suburban Long Island. A few years back it didn’t have any.

Once MS-13 shows up on the radar, some local officials and authorities will take action. In Nassau County, for example, a joint gang task force headed by the FBI and comprised of local police departments, has arrested 16 leaders of MS-13. They were charged with two murders, assault, conspiracy, and firearms violations.

Such investigations aren’t easy because MS-13 has a pretty strident zero-tolerance policy toward anyone who informs the cops of their activities.

Court papers reveal that one of the Nassau County defendants was captured in a secretly recorded telephone conversation detailing how he killed a male victim because he had provided law enforcement officials with information and that he had “put one in his chest and three in the head.” In another recorded conversation, a second defendant said he killed a young female because, in part, she had also provided information to law enforcement.

Fighting Back

The senseless violence of MS-13 has shocked the local citizens of Nassau County, so the Nassau County Executive appointed a “gang czar” to deal with the increasing gang problem.

A seasoned, dedicated officer, the new “czar,” in reality, will find it difficult to accomplish what he has been mandated to do. His department, like many across the nation, is at its lowest staffing levels in recent history, and he has been given no additional personnel or resources to combat the problem. The public was placated by the appointment, but while politicians put Band-Aids on deep cuts, the problem continues to escalate on Long Island.

And Long Island is not alone. Nationally, police departments are dealing with the surge in violence emanating from MS-13 members.

In Charlotte, N.C., 53 gang members were arrested as part of Operation Fed Up, which targeted MS-13 members. Officials in the medium-sized Southern city say MS-13 has been involved in at least 11 murders in the Charlotte area since 2000. And with a membership estimated at 200, MS-13 is by far Charlotte’s largest gang.

Some 400 miles north of Charlotte, the northern Virginia and southern Maryland communities around Washington, D.C., have become MS-13 turf. Local authorities estimate that there are between 5,000 and 6,000 MS-13 members in the metropolitan area.

And where MS-13 goes, violence follows. In July 2003, an 18-year-old federal witness was stabbed to death; last May, a 16-year-old boy had his hands almost completely chopped off with a machete; and a week later a 17-year-old was shot and murdered. All three crimes were tied to MS-13 members.

The rapid increase in MS-13 activity along the corridor between Charlotte and D.C. is simply explained by Det. Tim Jolly, a gang specialist with the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department. The area has the nation’s second highest population of Salvadoran immigrants.

Gang of Chameleons

One of the more unusual aspects of MS-13 when compared to other street gangs is that it is extremely flexible in its activity. While some gangs are only into drugs, MS-13 will do any crime at any time.

Sgt. George Norris, supervisor of the gang unit in the Prince George’s County (Md.) Police Department, says MS-13 doesn’t sling drugs in his jurisdiction. “We see mostly citizen robberies, auto theft, shootings and cuttings, and homicides,” he says, adding that drug sales by MS-13 may be just a matter of time.

Violent and Vicious

When MS-13 moves into a new community it tends to announce its presence with violence. The same can be true when a new leader takes over the local cliques.

Norris says gang members from other areas had once been able to join the new gang by simply being “jumped in.” But now that new leaders have moved into Prince George’s County and consolidated the cliques, the gang’s local culture has become more violent and vicious.

“According to one of our informers, things have changed,” says Norris. “Now in order to get your letters or clique [symbols] tattooed on you, you have to also put in some violent act to show your commitment.”

Cop Killers

And MS-13 violence is not restricted to civilians, rival gang members, and clique traitors; the gang will go after cops. Threats against police officers, known to gang members as “green light” notices, have increased so much in the past few years that the Virginia Gang Association has warned officers in Virginia and states to the north and south to be wary of MS-13 members.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg’s Jolly says he is aware of the threats against police officers in his community and in Virginia. Prince George’s County’s Norris says he’s heard them, too. “If you do something to them, their natural response is, ‘OK, I’m going to kill you,’” he says. “Or at least they talk like they will.”

Norris dismisses some of MS-13’s threats, but that doesn’t mean that officers should take all MS-13 threats lightly. The gang is extremely violent and it has attacked and will continue to attack anyone who gets in its way. That includes law enforcement officers.

Roots of Evil

Named for La Mara, a street in San Salvador, and the Salvatrucha guerillas who fought in El Salvador’s bloody civil war, Mara Salvatrucha 13 was organized in Los Angeles in the late ’80s. At first, the gang’s primary purpose was to defend Salvadoran immigrants from being preyed upon by other L.A. street gangs.

But like any other street gang that was created to defend a particular ethnic group, MS-13 was quickly perverted until its primary purpose was preying upon the Salvadoran community. It also violently defends its turf against any other gang that might seek to slice away a piece of its action.

Gang members sometimes wear blue and white, colors taken from the national flag of El Salvador. They can also sport numerous body and even face tattoos. However, some members are much less visible and therefore much more dangerous.

Recent reports indicate that MS-13 has expanded from California to Alaska, Oregon, Utah, Texas, Nevada, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Washington, D.C., and Florida. The gang has also been exported back to Central America.

Back Home

It’s estimated that there are 36,000 MS-13 members in Honduras alone. In Honduras, according to a March 2004 report prepared by the Washington, D.C.-based, right-wing think tank the Maldon Institute, MS-13 has, with increasing frequency, resorted to leaving a dismembered corpse, complete with a decapitated head, as a calling card. Recently, according to the report, such a grisly message was left with a note for the Honduran president.

The note is supposed to have stated the gang’s displeasure with an August 2003 law that made it illegal to be a part of a gang. Under Honduran law gang leaders can be sentenced to prison for up to 12 years and rank-and-file members from six to nine years, just for being in the gang. A gang member can be arrested for simply having a tattoo.

El Salvador has also launched a crackdown on MS-13. A police offensive called “Operation Strong-arm” has resulted in the arrest of more than 4,000 gang members.

For MS-13, these are small losses. The gang is nothing if not mobile. When it feels heat in the U.S., it moves to another state. When it feels heat in El Salvador and Honduras, it sets up operations in Mexico.

The Maldon Institute report indicates that MS-13 “appears to be in control of much of the Mexican border and, in addition to its smuggling and contraband rackets, the gang collects money from illegal immigrants that it helps [move] across the border into the United States.”

The ultra-conservative Maldon Institute is known for doomsday predictions when it comes to the U.S.-Mexico border. But there can be no denial that MS-13 is very active in smuggling people, drugs, and guns across the border. And independent reports indicate that many illegal immigrants have been assaulted, robbed, and even raped by MS-13 members.

Mexico is now taking steps to fight back against MS-13. In December, Mexican authorities arrested 224 gang members in response to what they called a threat to national security. Among the arrests were members of MS-13 who were charged with trafficking in drugs and firearms across Mexico and Central America.

Illusion of Cooperation

While some of the Central American countries appear to be cracking down on MS-13, serious problems still exist. And they are being missed by politically correct reporters who want to tout U.S.-Latin American cooperation.

For example, on Long Island, the media was quick to cover an agreement between El Salvador and Suffolk County to share information on MS-13. What the local reporters didn’t cover was a much more serious issue. If these gang members commit serious offenses, they can return home, and there is no extradition agreement. And, of course, they are doing so in increasing numbers.

“I would say that between Honduras and El Salvador, there are seven or eight people we are seeking to take into custody,” says Lt. Dennis Farrell, head homicide investigator for the Nassau County Police Department. “Proportionally, if you take that across the country, the numbers are astronomical, the number of people who have probably fled to these two countries.”

Farrell says that two gang members who his detectives are looking to arrest for two separate murders are now living in the same town in El Salvador. He calls the situation extremely frustrating. “You undertake a very in-depth and comprehensive investigation, pursue all possible leads, build a case, essentially conduct a successful investigation, only to have it thwarted by the fact that after having identified the killer or killers, you are unable, under the present international agreements, to return them to Nassau County to face murder charges.

“Even more than that frustration, how about the injustice and sense of desperation on the part of families who have lost loved ones? Where is the measure of justice? There is really no justice for those families, and absent some reworked or new initiative between our state department and those sovereign states, I don’t see any change in this condition in the foreseeable future,” Farrell adds.

In addition to extradition treaties, many gang investigators believe stricter and more uniform laws are needed here in this country. According to Charlotte-Mecklenburg’s Jolly, one of the reasons MS-13 has migrated to the East Coast is the strict anti-gang laws on the West Coast. He also believes that, with the stricter gang laws in Central America, many MS-13 members may be coming back to the United States illegally.

Long Arms

With the number of MS-13 members growing nationwide (some cliques now even accept non-Hispanic members), and the violence escalating, the future for law enforcement appears grim.

“They adapt to what the police do,” says Prince George’s County’s Norris. “They will change the way they operate, depending on the way things are enforced by the police. If there is no enforcement, they will wear their colors and bandanas because in the communities they are in it is common knowledge and the people fear them, so it is a form of intimidation.

“Once the police recognize and confront them, they will change and wear different colors from the blue and white, no bandana on their head, maybe now in their pocket, and instead of the number 13 they will wear 67 or 76 because it equals 13. They adapt so it is a continually evolving thing.”

While the nation focuses on terrorism, the issue of gang violence has taken a lower priority. But to many, the violent acts of MS-13 members are more of an everyday threat that is being overlooked.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; dhs; gangs; immigration; islam; latinamerica; leo; m13; marasalvatrucha; mexico; ms13; terrorism; turass; wodlist
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Spreading from El Salvador to L.A. and across the United States, Mara Salvatrucha 13 is increasingly well organized and deadly.

1 posted on 02/20/2005 10:53:57 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe; EdReform; Thinkin' Gal; mrflashrifle; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; ...

Just what we need!


2 posted on 02/20/2005 10:57:18 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: Happy2BMe

long island has MS13 all over the place. bad stuff.


3 posted on 02/20/2005 10:57:48 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Happy2BMe

Hempstead MS-13 bump


4 posted on 02/20/2005 10:58:14 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; Salem; Sanch; ...
M13 SPREADING FAST - ping.

(M13 is reported to be welcoming Islamic jihad into their ranks as well.)

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With the number of MS-13 members growing nationwide (some cliques now evenaccept non-Hispanic members), and the violence escalating, the future for law enforcement appears grim.

5 posted on 02/20/2005 10:58:40 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: cyborg

and the Nassau County police maintains their main focus as traffic enforcement and giving out tickets for talking on cell phones while driving. I hardly ever go to Roosevelt Field anymore, especially on evenings and weekends - it looks like a scene out of the movie Colors.


6 posted on 02/20/2005 11:01:13 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Happy2BMe

This needs the old west treatment. Declare all members outlaws who may be killed on sight. No rewards, but no punishment.


7 posted on 02/20/2005 11:02:24 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: LibKill

I like the quote from on of the "Naked Gun" movies. In the background of the police station you can hear a cop on the phone saying "No sir, in this state killing a gang member is only a $10 fine. You can mail it in."


8 posted on 02/20/2005 11:05:09 AM PST by armyman (I'm may not agree with what you say, but I will sacrifice everything to defend your right to say it.)
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To: oceanview

I don't like the crowds there. I go to Fortunoff Mall or a small store. Roosevelt Field is expensive and overrated to me. When I was the fire department, all the MS-13 action was pretty much at night because most worked during the day. Unless the politicians stop kissing ass, this problem is only going to get worse. No one cared about it before, but now that they're way out in suburbia, I suppose it's now important.


9 posted on 02/20/2005 11:06:24 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Happy2BMe

Just one of the many reasons we have the 2nd Amendment. We can fire back at lowlifes like this.


10 posted on 02/20/2005 11:08:14 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Happy2BMe

bttt


11 posted on 02/20/2005 11:08:37 AM PST by aberaussie
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To: Fritz

ping


12 posted on 02/20/2005 11:13:27 AM PST by investigateworld (Another California Refugee in Oregon)
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Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
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What's that saying? "Committing the crimes that real Americans won't commit?"

13 posted on 02/20/2005 11:13:37 AM PST by HiJinx (www .ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~ February 15 - March 4, 2005)
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To: Happy2BMe

< /sarcasm>

14 posted on 02/20/2005 11:15:35 AM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: LibKill

agreed: that is the only technique with a high probability of rapid success.


15 posted on 02/20/2005 11:15:44 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: LibKill

I'm all for fighting the WoT, and all that. But these gangs are terrorists too, and we need to fight them with all the vigor that we fight Al-Qaeda with.


16 posted on 02/20/2005 11:18:25 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Round them up then drop them all from a C-130 over El Salvador at elevation.

Every last one of them.

17 posted on 02/20/2005 11:22:30 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: dfwgator
But these gangs are terrorists too, and we need to fight them with all the vigor that we fight Al-Qaeda with.

From your mouth to God's ear. I hope He is listening.

18 posted on 02/20/2005 11:22:31 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: Happy2BMe
These gangs are only killing the people the former U.S. gangs wouldn't. Someone's got to do the work. They pay taxes. Their children deserve to go to our schools. It's not unfair for you to pay for their healthcare.

Come on fella, get off it! Give these Mara Slavatrucha 13 members a hand up. You'll feel ever so much better.

It's truly creepy what passes for logic, when it comes to people who claim to be conservatives these days.

19 posted on 02/20/2005 11:25:36 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Happy2BMe
So what is "right-wing" about the Maldin Institute? That they believe in preserving the integrity of our borders and our civil society? That's right-wing?

Does that mean the "left-wing" is incapable of judging others for the threats that they may bestow upon us?
20 posted on 02/20/2005 11:28:46 AM PST by LA Conservative (Peace Kills)
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To: Happy2BMe

There will come a day when such scum come to lear the true meaning of why people of Western European linage are oft known as the "Ice People." When finally aroused, they can become the most cold blooded killers on earth.


21 posted on 02/20/2005 11:29:23 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: SheLion

The boy who had his hands cut off lived near us.
Today our tires were stolen. It is the second time our car was vandalized in a few months. The police just left after taking a report.



22 posted on 02/20/2005 11:30:33 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Happy2BMe

Viva la Raza! Isn't diversity and multi-culturalism wonderful?


23 posted on 02/20/2005 11:32:03 AM PST by JarheadFromFlorida (Ooorahhhh........Get Some! Semper Fi')
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To: Paul_Denton
Hey. What's the big deal?

If one is a privileged exec from the ruling classes who, with his family, lives in a gated community, policed 24/7, or is a high and mighty politician that can afford to be secure with federal protection, live behind the White House walls, or otherwise be insulated from this situation, it isn't a "problem". To recognize it as a problem as a member of the Democrat and Republic Political Establishment, then makes one a sham and a failure if one in the past or present promoted or promotes a) open borders and b) that all 'immigrants' to the USA are just WONDERFUL! ......... /sarcasm

24 posted on 02/20/2005 11:32:12 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: DoughtyOne

You are a disgusting nazi.

The boy who had his hands cut off lived near me. He attended Catholic school.


25 posted on 02/20/2005 11:32:26 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Paul_Denton
"Just one of the many reasons we have the 2nd Amendment."

And in here in my state of Missouri we have:

Missouri Constitution

Bill of Rights, Article I, Section 23

”That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms for the defense of >his home, person, or property, or when lawfully summoned in the aid of the >civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the >wearing of concealed weapons.”

Califronia and New York do not have unambiguous right to "bear arms" statements in their constitutions, like Missouri.

That in effect leaves there citizenry defenseless and easy prey.

Those Salavadorans are not as dumb as they look.

26 posted on 02/20/2005 11:33:06 AM PST by tahiti
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To: DoughtyOne

Ooops! Sorry. my comment was meant for the person you responded to. Usually I am not calling names.

Sorry. The police just left my house after taking a report on our stolen tires. It is the second time our car was vandalized in a few months.

These N. VA gangs are bad. They cut this young boy's hands off. They kill people about nothing.


27 posted on 02/20/2005 11:35:20 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Paul_Denton
Just one of the many reasons we have the 2nd Amendment. We can fire back at lowlifes like this.

There is no 2nd ammendment in NY and CA.

Only criminals, cops, and the rich have guns.

28 posted on 02/20/2005 11:36:27 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Snapple; DoughtyOne
Thanks for clearing that one up and fixing it!

I(As you know) "Doughty One" is ANYTHING but a 'nazi'. Ooops! :-)

29 posted on 02/20/2005 11:37:20 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: Snapple

This gang should not be here. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. Who do you insult? The person who has been saying so for around two decades.

If people claiming to be conservatives continue to allow people to flood across our borders, that are going to do things like this, please don't come to me to point the finger.

If you don't want our borders brought under control, then look in the fricken mirror.

NAZI? By your logic, a person who wants our borders brought under control so things like this don't happen, is a NAZI.

WOW!


30 posted on 02/20/2005 11:38:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Close the Damn borders, enough already!


31 posted on 02/20/2005 11:39:00 AM PST by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (I have left this blank for a reason....)
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To: cyborg

long island is going to be affected by some "shocking" crime committed by this ilk one day real soon. everybody here thinks they are living in shangri-la, they don't even know what is going on around them.


32 posted on 02/20/2005 11:39:16 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Snapple
And your local police, backed up by liberal politicians (I'll bet) in your community for example, cover for them, such as when a person is arrested or the story is talked about in the press, you'll hear things like "Salvadorean", "car load of five youths", "machete attack" and yet they have the NERVE to deny it has gang implications or MS-Mara connections (politically correct).

All the while, local Hispanic papers will say in Spanish that such an attack was clearly by "pandillas" (gangs). What's wrong with this picture??

33 posted on 02/20/2005 11:40:37 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: Snapple

Please accept my appology for responding to what I thought was a post to me. Thanks for the additional post of explanation.


34 posted on 02/20/2005 11:41:24 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Did you say they are killing people who deserve it? The teenager who goes to Catholic school and lives near me, did he deserve to have his hands cut off?

I know chidren who knew him.


35 posted on 02/20/2005 11:41:28 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Happy2BMe

How long before the REAL mob in New York shuts down their competition?

I don't think the Gambinos, Colombos, Genoveses, etc. will stand for this very long...do you?


36 posted on 02/20/2005 11:41:36 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: Chef Dajuan

Crap, they might JOIN WITH THEM.


37 posted on 02/20/2005 11:43:20 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: Happy2BMe; HiJinx

Thanks for the ping HiJinx.

My Samoan side of the family has lost 4 boys to gangs. The last one was lost about 5 years ago. It's a very sad tale of what happens to young folks that have no guidance.

Add into the mix illegals and we're beyond a disaster.

Hollywood glorifies gangsters of old, but they fail to see what it has done to many families. I have no respect for any of these gangs whether they be Italian, Asian, Polynesian, Latino, Russian, or Black. They all suck!

Continued prayers for our country. We need it more than ever.



38 posted on 02/20/2005 11:44:39 AM PST by MoJo2001 (Operation Easter/Passover For Our Troops begins Feb.14th-Mar.4th---www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I live in N. VA. The police are all over this. It is in the papers. They are warning us and telling us about the grafeeti and what to watch for.

They are calling them their name. Nobody is hiding anything. Fairfax County Police/Alexandria give talks about it. There are special units for these gangs.


39 posted on 02/20/2005 11:44:39 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Happy2BMe

The word 'Extermination' comes to mind when dealing with these people.


40 posted on 02/20/2005 11:45:01 AM PST by 82Marine89 (U.S. Marines- Part of the Navy....The men's department.)
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To: Happy2BMe

BUMP to read later!


41 posted on 02/20/2005 11:45:12 AM PST by jellybean (Yullah imshe!! -- Let's Roll!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

"It's Raining Men!!"


42 posted on 02/20/2005 11:46:02 AM PST by HiJinx (www .ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~ February 15 - March 4, 2005)
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To: Snapple

Snapple, my comments were a parody. The italicized words were a play on the nonsensical logic that seeks to excuse the entry of people into this nation, that don't belong here.

Does anyone deserve to die or be mutiliated by anyone else, gangs or not? Of course not. Need you ask me that question?

Later...


43 posted on 02/20/2005 11:47:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Snapple
I see.

Therefore, they must be successful.

Accordingly, I would imagine the the mara gang membership numbers and membership is decreasing? Congratulations.

44 posted on 02/20/2005 11:47:33 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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To: Chef Dajuan
Ha Ha!, they wimped out a long time ago. The 'old time mobs' are now into insurance fraud, garbage hauling and shakedowns of legit business. These punks are now an annoyance to them. But the punks won't challenge the old time mobs. By their nature, they'll focus on other weaker types like other illegals.
45 posted on 02/20/2005 11:47:36 AM PST by investigateworld (Another California Refugee in Oregon)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Nah, the Mafia is still traditional. They won't join with non-Sicilians and seldom associate with non-Italians. They only work with the Jews...or as the late Meyer Lansky once said...the "Kosher" Nostra.

I grew up in Cleveland, and they could have teamed up with the Irish there and made a killing. Instead they blew up Danny Green in his new Buick.........

Big Al HATED the Irish and Polish gangs in Chicago, too. Look what he did to O'Bannion, Weiss, and Moran.


46 posted on 02/20/2005 11:48:54 AM PST by Chef Dajuan (this ain't rocket science, you know. so use your knob! -emeril lagasse)
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To: DoughtyOne

I guess I was upset by just giving a police report about the car being vandalized again.

A lot of student knew the boy who had his hands cut off.

I didn't have my sense of humor. Sometimes people do say those things and aren't kidding.


47 posted on 02/20/2005 11:49:05 AM PST by Snapple
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To: AmericanInTokyo

that's exactly the way its played in Nassau County.


48 posted on 02/20/2005 11:50:10 AM PST by oceanview
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To: AmericanInTokyo

This is bone-chilling... very scary stuff.


49 posted on 02/20/2005 11:50:11 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: Chef Dajuan

Well then, (as certain US federal agencies might be inclined to do), let's get them aboard and with the "program"! :-)


50 posted on 02/20/2005 11:50:14 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Illegal Aliens "Those Wonderful People" in Jail Now Are $1.4 Billion A Year For California Taxpayers)
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