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Pope Calls Gay Marriage Part of 'Ideology of Evil'
Reuters ^ | Feb, 22, 2005 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks

ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.

In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.

He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.

The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.

In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.

The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.

In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.

"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"

In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.

"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.myway.com ...


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To: henkster

Thanks, and may God bless you and yours.


61 posted on 02/22/2005 2:35:31 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

ABC reporters are too busy giggling like school girls when they say "log" and "cabin" and then "republicans".


62 posted on 02/22/2005 2:35:33 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

That ought to get the fairies' panties in a twist.


63 posted on 02/22/2005 2:35:59 PM PST by Beckwith (I know Churchill, and Ward Churchill is no Churchill . . . he ain't no Indian either . . .)
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To: ultima ratio

You don't agree with all the Pope has done? Fine.

But don't spread scandal about him. Your comments make those who are not Catholics less likely to join the Faith.

I'm sure members of other religions would not like it if one of their members bashed their church's leader for a matter that is outside of faith and morals.

The Pope is the leader of the Church and he will make many mistakes in his job, just like anyone running that large of an organization would. You are supposed to obey him regardless if you are really are a Catholic.


64 posted on 02/22/2005 2:38:19 PM PST by ndkos
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To: ultima ratio; henkster

Once you realize that Ultima Ratio is a schismatic (he's separated from the Roman Catholic Church,) it becomes clear why he has a fixation on ranting about JPII.

Your first take was correct. JPII's a man's man and a Catholic's Catholic.

We will miss him--except for the schismatics.


65 posted on 02/22/2005 2:39:37 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Gerard.P

I got kicked off a thread on the SSPX for bashing it yesterday.

Please don't use this thread on the Pope to bash him and promote the SSPX. (your posts implies that you are with the group)


66 posted on 02/22/2005 2:40:52 PM PST by ndkos
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The Pope is right! About this. :-)


67 posted on 02/22/2005 2:41:53 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him -- based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides

Written in 1993. That explains it. Not many people in 1993 knew that there was a worldwide Muslim terrorist threat that was growing. Not even the Pope. Even though there had already been several attacks, hostages taken, etc, at that point. Not many peopole had any idea of the scope of it.

68 posted on 02/22/2005 2:42:35 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Did anyone else read that the Royal Navy now is trying to recruit gays? Am I alone in feeling that a bizarrely disproportionate percentage of news coverage is focused on the "persecution" of gays, what it's like to be gay in Iraq (no joke), etc.? The Catholic Church is being riven by homosexual priests -- not pedophiles, as the NYTimes reports -- and the Anglican Communion is falling apart over a gay bishop. What is going on?! I don't give a darn what people do with their bodies (as long as I don't have to see it or pay for it), but why is all this being shoved down our throats? Sleep with anyone (or any thing) you like...just pipe down about it, for God's sake!
69 posted on 02/22/2005 2:43:46 PM PST by utahagen
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To: ultima ratio
As a liberal on matters of the Catholic faith, however, he shares his views with the likes of Mahoney and Kasper and Weakland.

The Pope is no Mahoney, Kasper or Weakland. Once again, the Pope defends fully orthodox Catholic teaching, and all you can do is slander the Holy Father. What kind of a faithful Catholic does that?

70 posted on 02/22/2005 2:44:15 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I pray our Church hears this... better yet.. all Christians listen to his wise words... God keep him and bless us with his presence for years to come...


71 posted on 02/22/2005 2:44:28 PM PST by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: conserv13
Howard Dean performed abortions?

Since he is a doctor and pro-abortion, the question arose during the primaries. He didn't admit that he had, but he was so coy in his answer that most people assumed that was what he was trying not to say.

72 posted on 02/22/2005 2:45:55 PM PST by maryz
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To: Clint N. Suhks; scripter; little jeremiah; SweetCaroline; lentulusgracchus; ArGee; ...

Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society... perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man...


The Pope is spot on. It's been part of a well planned and well funded campaign designed by homosexual activists.

An excerpt from " In Their Own Words: The Homosexual Agenda"

"Homosexual activist Michelangelo Signorile, who writes periodically for The New York Times, summarizes the agenda in OUT magazine:

...to fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes, but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution... The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake --and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the notion of family entirely." "Its the final tool with which to dismantle all sodomy statues, get education about homosexuality and AIDS into the public schools and in short to usher in a sea change in how society views and treats us."


The Overhauling of Straight America


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

73 posted on 02/22/2005 2:46:35 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: ultima ratio
He needs to be as conservative on matters of faith as he is on matters of morals. It is the failure to make this distinction that baffles many Catholics. Faith and morals are not the same. This is why many conservative Catholics have no problem with Assisi or with kissing the Koran. To them Catholicism is all about opposing abortion and homosexuality. But this isn't true. It's also about the Real Presence and Propitiatory sacrifice and the Council of Trent.

The Pope is fully orthodox on teachings of the faith. He has not derogated one iota from the teachings of the Real Presence, the sacrifics of the Mass or the dogmatic teachings of the Council of Trent. Once again you are to great public scandal trying to publicly tear down a fully orthodox Pope and tear down the Catholic Church and promote your schismatic, uncanonical, legitimate magisterial authority-rejecting parallel structures.

74 posted on 02/22/2005 2:47:29 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: ndkos

I didn't bring up the SSPX. I talked about St. Pius X, a recognized and Sainted Pope (one of two in 8 centuries) of the Catholic Church. I wish JPII had been in his mold as opposed to the mold of John XXIII.

If you read what I posted, you'll see that I said, no one is in disagreement with his "better late than never" statement.

It's not to bash him that I bring this up. It's to bring these "Whoo HOOO! RAh Rah Rah! JPII! People a little perspective on what they should be expecting from a strong Pope. They are ready to present him with a medal for saying these words that everyone who knows the commandments could figure out.

If in a few days the Vatican has leaks and prelates undermining and backpedaling on the issue. It will be a bitter disappointment for those who think "he's really taking it to the streets now!"


75 posted on 02/22/2005 2:50:16 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: ultima ratio
His Church has been plagued with scandals. There has been a loss of faith on a massive scale--statistically measurable and observable--and a corresponding collapse of catechesis. He himself has called the breakdown of Catholic faith a "silent apostasy"--yet he does nothing to reverse the trends. Church attendance has continued to plummet. Vocations have continued to spiral downward. The missions have imploded. The seminaries have been increasingly lavenderized. The highest echelons of the Church seethe with apostasy and corruption. Cronyism is rampant. Yet despite all this, and for 25 years, the Pope has instituted not a single reform of any consequence. Nor need I even mention the heterodoxy on his part that has underscored all this--the scandalous indifferentism and syncretism that has punctuated his long pontificate.

The same old tired lies, over and over again. You never stop in your crusade of hate against the Catholic Church. The Pope has condemned indifferentism and syncretism. You attribute to him heterodox views the Pope has never taught and has specifically denounced. You NEVER mention Dominus Iesus. And if he has made prudential misjudgments, that does not take away his legitimate authority. By your logic, Luther and Calvin were perfectly justified in rebelling from the Catholic Church because of Renaissance era abuses.

76 posted on 02/22/2005 2:51:00 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Salvation

Thank you


77 posted on 02/22/2005 2:51:16 PM PST by anonymoussierra (Lux Mea Christus!!! Quo Vadis Domine?Thank you)
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To: ultima ratio
Your thinking is muddled--not unlike the Pope's.

The infallible voice of the all knowing magisterial ultima ratio.

79 posted on 02/22/2005 2:52:14 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

This is where the selective memory begins. Who appointed Kaspar? Who appointed Mahoney? Who appointed Weakland and refused his resignation after his homosexual lover extorted $400,000.00 of the nickels and dimes of the faithful?

Who is the one man in the world that could've done something about these parasites on the Bride of Christ and instead did nothing?


80 posted on 02/22/2005 2:53:24 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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