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To: henkster

Wrong. These problems spiked under Paul VI and JPII. They are directly attributable to the Vatican Council which these popes have used as an excuse to institute massive changes in the institutional structures, culture and patterns of belief in the Church. Even the way Catholics worship has been radicalized and protestantized. In fact it is a wholly new religion to those who yet cling to traditional Catholicism. So to say these problems had always existed is false--they are directly attributable to the agendas pushed for the past forty years. Nothing has escaped this revolution and the results have been disastrous on every front. Neither pope had anticipated such catastrophic results nor been able to deal with them once they occurred.


59 posted on 02/22/2005 2:33:24 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Even the way Catholics worship has been radicalized and protestantized. In fact it is a wholly new religion to those who yet cling to traditional Catholicism.

Given that all liturgical rites of the Eucharist involve the Real Presence and the re-presentatoin of the sacrifice of Calvary, in no way has the liturgy been "protestantized". That is simply not true. And by saying that the Catholic Church is a new religion after Vatican II from before, you are stating that you are in schism with the Catholic Church. You cannot deny it. You have rejected legitimate and fully orthodox authority for your own subjective and irrational definition of orthodoxy as meaning every reformable practice exactly as it existed on the eve of Vatican II, not acknowledging that it is the deposit of faith, whole and entire that is the mark of orthodoxy, not specific devotional or liturgical practices that have changed many times inthe history of the One True Church that you so lightly reject.

82 posted on 02/22/2005 2:56:46 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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