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Soviet vetoes blamed by US for Pakistan's 1971 division
Dawn ^ | 28 February 2005 Monday | Dawn

Posted on 02/28/2005 1:36:19 AM PST by CarrotAndStick

WASHINGTON, Feb 27: The United States believed that an overwhelming majority of UN members were against the division of Pakistan in 1971 but Russian vetoes prevented the world body from playing any role in the crisis.

This assessment is included in a set of classified documents the US State Department released this week to the media on US relations with the United Nations from 1969 to 1972.

Summing up the UN role during the 1971 crisis, the US permanent mission at the United Nations informs the State Department: "On Dec 7, the UN General Assembly, acting under the Uniting for Peace procedure, recommended by an overwhelming majority a cease fire and withdrawal of troops to their own territories and the creation of conditions for voluntary return of refugees." These were Bengali refugees who had fled to the Indian state of West Bengal after the 1971 military action in former East Pakistan.

As many as 104 member states voted for the resolution, 10, including India and the former Soviet Union, voted against it and 11 abstained. "The vote showed the strong sentiment in the United Nations against the use of military force to divide a member state," the US mission observes.

In a separate memo assessing the proceedings of the 26th General Assembly which dealt with the 1971 crisis, the US permanent mission writes: "The overwhelming majority (voted) for a resolution calling for a cease fire and withdrawal of troops in the Indo-Pakistan war (but) the Security Council was prevented from acting by Soviet vetoes."

Despite the world body's failure to enforce a cease fire, the US mission says that "in the India-Pakistan crisis, the General Assembly showed its utility. Early attempts by Secretary General U. Thant to persuade the permanent members of the Security Council to address the crisis over East Pakistan had foundered mainly on Soviet objections."

The memo points out that in December 1971, following the outbreak of hostilities, the US had brought the dispute before the Security Council but repeated Soviet vetoes blocked action.

"The Security Council belatedly adopted a resolution endorsing a cease fire and pointing toward withdrawal of troops, political accommodation, and humanitarian relief under UN auspices," says the internal memo.

In an earlier memo sent to the US permanent mission at the UN on Sept 3, 1971, the State Department predicts that the 26th UNGA could well be "a turbulent one" and the situation in Pakistan, "fraught with danger of conflict, could also lead to heated debates."

The memorandum suggests that the then US Secretary of State William Pierce Rogers "should give major emphasis to South Asia" in his address to the 26th General Assembly, underlining the dangers of war in the area, and especially focusing "attention on the humanitarian problem in India and East Pakistan".

"The secretary should underline the UN role of leadership in dealing with these problems and should provide vigorous support to the secretary-general's appeal for contributions and support from the world community," the memo says.

The memo urged Mr Rogers to include the following points in his speech: a) the threat to peace poses dangers not only to India and Pakistan but to the world community, b) the threat of famine in East Pakistan and the problem posed by the influx of refugees into India must also concern the international community, c) the international community, and India and Pakistan, have a responsibility for ensuring the peace, for averting famine and relieving human misery, d) we look to the UN to continue asserting vigorous leadership and coordination of efforts to deal with the food situation in East Pakistan and refugee relief in India.

We intend continuing our support for these efforts, e) we recognize that the political problems in Pakistan must be resolved by the Pakistanis themselves, f) we trust both India and Pakistan will avoid actions which can increase tensions and will also be alert to the opportunities for dealing with the refugee problem so as to reduce tensions.

Mr Rogers, who died at the age of 87 four years ago, delivered his speech on Oct 4, 1971, focusing on the points suggested by his aides. Another State Department memo, written after the speech, says that both Indian and Pakistani representatives (Agha Shahi) commented that the speech was clear and balanced.

"Naturally Indians would have preferred greater stress on political settlement in East Pakistan and Pakistanis less, but in general their reactions were decidedly favourable."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: 1971; bangladesh; china; india; pakistan; southasia; sovietunion; un; ungeneralassembly; us
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To: Qwinn
I'll assume that by "Pakistan" you meant "Afghanistan".

Your assumption is wrong -- The training camps were (and are) set up in Pakistan.

The answer to your first question - "What does the US call those folks now??" - is the "Northern Alliance", who sided with us when we deposed the Taliban

Er.... NO. The US (thanks to Paki "help" supplied stingers and other weapons to the Pashtuns. The northern Alliance was created later on against the Pashtuns. This consisted of forces that were armed and trained by Russia, India and the stans -- it also includes a former Soviet general -- General Dostum of the Uzbeks
61 posted on 02/28/2005 2:00:11 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Qwinn

By giving Stingers to the Mujahideen, we made the world of aviation THAT much more dangerous


62 posted on 02/28/2005 2:01:12 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: risk
Where is India with respect to our war on terror, namely on Iraq?

India was hte first to offer support for the WoT -- for the initial battle in Afghanistan -- they were arming and aiding the Northern Alliance before the US even got on the scene. THey are right now supplyign Afghanistan with aid and training. I'd consider THAT pretty much on board on the WoT
63 posted on 02/28/2005 2:03:48 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Saberwielder; CarrotAndStick; sukhoi-30mki; risk; Do not dub me shapka broham

Quite rightly put -- India's not going to budge until the US forces pakistan to close down it's jihadi camps


64 posted on 02/28/2005 2:08:00 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Gengis Khan; risk
When India grows up and starts thinking about defending the freedom of the whole world instead of just its own people

WEll, first India's got to defend her own people, just as OUR country's number one priority is to defend Americans
65 posted on 02/28/2005 2:10:27 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Cronos

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/india/india1984a.htm


66 posted on 02/28/2005 4:16:49 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Did you even read the article you linked to ?

The insurgency in the state of Punjab originated in the late 1970s. The roots of this insurgency are complex. The Green Revolution, a package of agricultural inputs, transformed the socioeconomic landscape of Punjab (see The Green Revolution, ch. 7). Amidst this new-found prosperity, large numbers of Sikhs started to shed some of the trappings of their faith. This propensity rekindled an age-old fear in the Sikh community--that of being absorbed into the Hindu fold. In turn, many Punjabi Sikhs, who were dispossessed of their land as a consequence of agricultural transformation, found solace in various revivalistic practices. One of the leaders of this revivalistic movement was Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, a politically ambitious itinerant Sikh preacher. The second factor contributing to the insurgency was the attempt by Indira Gandhi (India's prime minister, 1966-77 and 1980-84), the Congress, and from 1978 Congress (I) to use Bhindranwale to undermine the position of the Akali Dal (Eternal Party), a regional party (see Political Parties, ch. 8). Bhindranwale and his followers were encouraged to verbally intimidate Akali Dal politicians. Although this strategy met with some success, Bhindranwale and his followers became a source of mayhem and disruption in Punjab. Eventually, in June 1984, Gandhi had to order units of the Indian army to flush out Bhindranwale and his followers, who had taken refuge in the Golden Temple complex, Sikhism's most holy shrine, in Amritsar, Punjab
67 posted on 02/28/2005 4:18:56 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Cronos
My point wasn't to exculpate Sikh extremists, it was to illustrate how unpopular Indira Gandhi was.

Even during her putatively "democratic" reign, she was an authoritarian, whose policies were detested by huge pluralities among the more disenfranchised groups living within India.

The fact that she was murdered by two extremely close family friends should tell you something about how ordinary Indians viewed her.

68 posted on 02/28/2005 4:24:26 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
My point wasn't to exculpate Sikh extremists, it was to illustrate how unpopular Indira Gandhi was.

I thought you were trying to attempt to potray how this "dictator" trampled on human rights of minorities. There wasn't any doubt she was unpopular among Sikhs for ordering the storming of their most Holy site, but it had to be done -- extremists had taken control of the place.
69 posted on 02/28/2005 5:19:12 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

They were not family friends who murdered Indira, they were here bodyguards.


70 posted on 02/28/2005 6:20:53 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: All

here=her


71 posted on 02/28/2005 6:21:26 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Cronos
Somehow, the goon squads of Moqtader al-Sadr were able to be successfully neutralized without American marines-or Iraqi Defense Forces-physically storming the Imam Ali Shrine.

The IDF were able to force the surrender of Palestinian terrorists who had taken the Church of the Nativity hostage, without adding to the destruction already inflicted by the Fatah gangsters who had seized control of it.

The seminal event of Indira Gandhi's domestic agenda was not a display of strong-willed leadership, so much as it was a confirmation of the fact that her primary method of negotiation was the application of brute force.

72 posted on 02/28/2005 6:26:02 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; Cronos

Guess what!!Most Indians(including the youth) in India want a leader of the Indira Genre who doesn't take **** from anyone,be it the Pakistanis,Lefties or hindu fundamentalism.


73 posted on 02/28/2005 6:31:02 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
The seminal event of Indira Gandhi's domestic agenda was not a display of strong-willed leadership, so much as it was a confirmation of the fact that her primary method of negotiation was the application of brute force.

Perhaps. Perhaps not -- each situation calls for a different response.
74 posted on 02/28/2005 10:27:39 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Cronos; Do not dub me shapka broham; Squantos

>>>> Kissinger chose short term gains at the expense of creating long-term headaches -- by cozying up to Pakiland and the Chicoms, he forced the republic of India to cozy up to China's other giant neighbor -- the USSR.

No, India was already cozied up to the USSR by then. But again, please don't trouble me with India's internal problems during the Cold War. The communists were busy murdering 100 million people all over the planet We had many, many, many more serious issues to worry about besides India's internal issues. I'm sorry you're not happy with America's decisions regarding India's indecision, but you were too busy to be troubled with global freedom. We on the other hand, were financing and dying all over the planet to save it from communism.

You should keep in mind that most Americans were very much against Great Britain's colonialism in India. The Anglosphere was not monolithic on that issue. But after WWII, and after independence, India had a clear choice. Behind the scenes, I'm sure that Americans were working to pressure Britain to honor India's nonviolence protests.

Once and for all, it chose wrong in holding the entire west responsible for the 17th century errors of Britain. India chose to side with the Gulags. It chose to side with the death camps. It chose to side with collectivist tyranny beyond human imagination. There is simply no way to exculpate India for its gross error in non-allignment, and its drift toward the Soviet union.

It's time to forgive and move forward, however. India has to earn its place on the world scene by reaching out beyond its borders and helping the west to defend freedom. India has to draw itself out of selfish introspection and become a global force for freedom instead of simply a Machiavellian entity seeking its own advantage.

It can happen. You personally are responsible for seeing it to fruition. I can't do it. My people are fighting for their lives and the lives and freedom of everyone on the planet. We're already doing our part. When will you?


75 posted on 02/28/2005 11:32:38 PM PST by risk
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; Cronos; sukhoi-30mki; CarrotAndStick
To paint India-which was governed, for much of this period, by a nationalist, Communist-affiliated dictator, who did not respect the essential human rights of religious minorities within her own nation-in a completely benign light is as ridiculous as whitewashing the sins of Pakistan.
 
I would agree with Do not dub me shapka broham's assessment of  Indira Gandhi being a Communist-affiliated dictator who trampled over human rights of ordinary citizens (and not just Sikhs alone) and made use of brute force to take on her opposition. Dictator or not the fact remains that it was Indians who voted her into power and it was Indians who voted her out despite her attempt to clamp an unconstitutional "emergency" in 1974. One can have an endless debates on merits and demerits of her policies now that she is dead and times have changed. Its easy to be judgmental about the actions of a leader when they are long gone and you have nothing to do with his/her country. People have not spared Mahatma Gandhi I doubt they will spare Indira Gandhi, but even then people in India remember Indira Gandhi as a leader who stood up to American and Chinese hegemony and boldly went ahead against world opinion to give the Bengalis what was rightfully theirs. Those were no doubt difficult times for India when we were grappling an economic crisis spawned by drought, crop failures and starvation even as waves of refugees were pouring into India from neighboring East Pakistan. That was the time when "self-appointed crusaders of freedom and Democracy" chose to look the other way even as millions of people were slaughtered in East Pakistan. Ask me who would I want as the leader should similar situation arrive again. My answer would definitely be Indra Gandhi despite her numerous faults and inadequacies. Millions of Bengalies (myself included) would thank her for having the courage for doing the right thing at a time when ordinary Bengali lives were less important than world politics and cold war chess moves .
 
Somehow, the goon squads of Moqtader al-Sadr were able to be successfully neutralized without American marines-or Iraqi Defense Forces-physically storming the Imam Ali Shrine.

The IDF were able to force the surrender of Palestinian terrorists who had taken the Church of the Nativity hostage, without adding to the destruction already inflicted by the Fatah gangsters who had seized control of it.

Comparing one situation with another is outright idiocy. Please dont get me started on American human rights abuse in Iraq or that of Isreali army in Palestine. One or two incidents that ended well means nothing.

The seminal event of Indira Gandhi's domestic agenda was not a display of strong-willed leadership, so much as it was a confirmation of the fact that her primary method of negotiation was the application of brute force.

Definitely not. I have to disagree with you there. It is because of her strong-willed leadership that Bangladesh exists and Kashmir is still with us. It was because of her that India today is able to protect herself with military might and do not have to rely on "passive resistance". And it was she who gave India her first nuclear test notwithstanding world opinion going against her. And it she who chose not to negotiate with terrorists and paid the price for that with her life but she stands vindicated in sofar as her stand against terrorism is concerned. India has learned a hard lesson that you cannot have dialog or negotiation with terrorists. Her "socialist" policies may not always be the correct choice for India but nevertheless in difficult times SHE is the leader that I would like to have for India.


76 posted on 03/01/2005 1:17:04 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Gengis Khan

So you think what America is doing in Iraq is abusive? You think what Israel does on the strategic West Bank, in Gaza where the Egyptians have rolled through to grasp at their throats, and Jerusalem - which is their own traditional capital city, is inhumane?

Do tell us more. We'd love to hear all about it.


77 posted on 03/01/2005 4:09:02 AM PST by risk
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To: risk

Yep buddy, dont deny there havent been any human rights abuses by Americans army Iraq or by Isreali army in Palestine or else you would be lying. Wanna hear more? Hear it from your own press. The argument here is not about human righta abuses, the point is that when you point fingers at others you mustn't forget that a few fingers are pointing back at you. If Indian government committed a few human rights violations then so did every body else and much more than what we did.


78 posted on 03/01/2005 4:26:02 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Gengis Khan

You're equivocating.


79 posted on 03/01/2005 4:58:28 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
No, India was already cozied up to the USSR by then. But again, please don't trouble me with India's internal problems during the Cold War. The communists were busy murdering 100 million people all over the planet We had many, many, many more serious issues to worry about besides India's internal issues. I'm sorry you're not happy with America's decisions regarding India's indecision, but you were too busy to be troubled with global freedom. We on the other hand, were financing and dying all over the planet to save it from communism.
 
Do you have any idea what "red" communism could have done to our world? We would have turned into the "Red Planet".  Thanks, you guys financed and died all over the planet to save us!
Just one advise:  Dont open you mouth too wide or you might swallow the whole planet. (after doing so much)
 
Yup India's problems are too petty dont bother yourself with it. Concentrate on the larger picture the good of all "humanity". You must fulfill you grand, noble mission of saving this world. Dont let petty third world massacres and genocides bother ya. And if you are expecting help from Indians I have a bad news for you buddy, Indians unfortunately dont share your grand delusions.
 
My people are fighting for their lives and the lives and freedom of everyone on the planet.
 
Oh I am sooooo touched! I wish I could help you some way. Okay here is another advise: Cut down on the alcohol.

80 posted on 03/01/2005 5:30:46 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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