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Syria's dangerous liaisons in Lebanon and Iraq create problems
Taipei Times ^ | 3/1/05 | Michael Young

Posted on 02/28/2005 11:53:16 PM PST by abu afak

Syria's dangerous liaisons in Lebanon and Iraq create problems

All eyes turned to Syria following the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri. Opposition groups in Lebanon, as well as Hariri supporters, openly accused Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime of being responsible for the killing. The Bush administration, while not formally blaming Syria, virtually did so and recalled its ambassador to Damascus. The US is said to be extremely angry at Syria's refusal to withdraw its forces from Lebanon in line with a UN resolution.

Growing opposition to Syrian hegemony in Lebanon is but one of four related problems Syria faces, all of which it has addressed inadequately. The other three are Syria's behavior in Iraq, its relations with the US, and the need for domestic reform. While corrosive immobility is a trademark of the Syrian regime, these challenges threaten to reinforce each other and marginalize Syria internationally even more so than today.

In Lebanon, the Syrians have repeatedly misread the Bush administration's intentions. Last September, the US, together with France, sponsored UN Security Council Resolution 1559 demanding a Syrian pullout and the disarming of militias -- mainly Hezbollah. This came after Assad imposed an unconstitutional extension of Lebanese President Emile Lahoud's mandate last September, despite French and US warnings. Yet to this day, Syrian officials privately say that they don't think the US is serious about a withdrawal...."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; lebanon; syria
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1 posted on 02/28/2005 11:53:16 PM PST by abu afak
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To: abu afak

IMO.....Somebody told Syria to get straight or face the consequences...Syria has made a "token" offer with Lebanon and Saddam's bro...but Syria has a LONG way to go before "somebody" is satisfied...It maybe too little too late.


2 posted on 03/01/2005 1:56:40 AM PST by Dallas59 (Bush said the "F" word 27 times January 20th, 2005!)
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To: Dallas59
It is easy to take Syria but VERY hard to hold.

The military PC tactics used in Iraq will never work if the Mideast is to be changed.

Of course every Muslim nation is working against the US. Iran and Syria just happen to be big neighbors of Iraq.
3 posted on 03/01/2005 2:09:48 AM PST by demecleze
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To: Dallas59; Cap Huff; Coop; Southack
Hugh Hewitt asks this question on his web site about Syria:

The tipping point passed? Can a rogue state be allowed to facilitate terror bombings in three neighboring countries in three weeks?

4 posted on 03/01/2005 4:31:37 AM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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To: Dog

Good article. Thanks for the ping.


5 posted on 03/01/2005 4:36:04 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Dog; wretchard; Dog Gone; SJackson; yonif; Travis McGee; Squantos; WOSG; Blurblogger; ...
"The tipping point passed? Can a rogue state be allowed to facilitate terror bombings in three neighboring countries in three weeks?"

Syria has been caught, with transcripts in hand, ordering at least 3 terror attacks (one "successful") in Israel in the past two weeks.

Also in the last two weeks, Syria's own opposition Kurds caught and turned over to the U.S. Saddam Hussein's half-brother, who was leading the Sayd Al-Maslul terror group. That led to the arrests of 750 terrorists in Mosul.

Syria is the odd-son favorite to be behind the assassination bombing of Hariri and scores of innocents in Lebanon, too.

So in Iraq, Israel, and Lebanon, Syria is not only dirty, but busted. They didn't just do it, they got caught, too.

Syria is in violation of its 1991 Haifa treaty that ended Lebanon's civil war. That treaty demanded Syria's withdrawal of troops and intel forces from Lebanon.

Likewise, Syria is in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1559, which orders Syria to withdraw its military and Intel forces from Lebanon, as well as disarm Hezbollah.

Syria has played its hand poorly. Now we're going to up the ante. You tell me if they call or fold their crappy little hand.

Frankly, I'd like to see Syria raise the stakes a little bit. Might as well clean them out when we know they've got such crappy cards, eh?!

6 posted on 03/01/2005 10:03:26 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Cap Huff
Frankly, I'd like to see Syria raise the stakes a little bit.

IMHO.....they will up the ante. Syria will not withdraw quietly from Lebanon....they will have to be forced out....to much at stake for them to leave.

One way to tell how serious Syria is......if they "capture" Izzat al-Douri and turn him over to us. See the object for them is to forestall the attack they know is coming from us.

Whoever is calling the shots in Syria really screwed up......they got caught and now have Iraq,Israel and the US pissed off and two of the three could make their leadership disappear with one airstrike.

7 posted on 03/01/2005 10:23:32 AM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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To: Southack
Syria claims that it won't pull out of Lebanon until a peace agreement is reached with Israel, something which they know is impossible because they're demanding a return of the Golan Heights as part of any such agreement.

They may try to make them less visible in Lebanon, redeploying them and hoping that the pressure on them will diminish.

That is primarily up to the Lebanese, but the US and our unlikely ally in this matter, France, can ratchet up the pressure at the UN.

Syria has made a serious miscalculation and ultimately it will be lucky if the worst thing that happens is a complete withdrawal from Lebanon.

8 posted on 03/01/2005 10:29:05 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Yep , your comments call for this:

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9 posted on 03/01/2005 10:37:13 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Grampa Dave; Fred Nerks; NormsRevenge

More stuff!


10 posted on 03/01/2005 10:38:54 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Dog Gone; Dog
"Syria has made a serious miscalculation and ultimately it will be lucky if the worst thing that happens is a complete withdrawal from Lebanon."

One wonders if high-level Syrian advisors sit around all day muttering to themselves that President Bush really isn't serious and that he'll not really back up what he says...because it would take that level of denial, plus a full denial of what Israel would do if the U.S. doesn't, for Syria to up the ante in Lebanon right now.

11 posted on 03/01/2005 10:41:32 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Dog

Thanks for the ping.

Maybe we should start a pool and bet how long it is before Syria gets removed from the table....see above Toon.


12 posted on 03/01/2005 10:42:48 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Southack

Guess they are not listening....


13 posted on 03/01/2005 10:43:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Dog; Southack; Ernest_at_the_Beach
You might want to go "Across the Bay" and read "Not Going Away" and "What's Next." The last was just posted, so I've not been able to complete it myself. As much as it leaves a bad taste, I have to say that the French are deeply involved, along with the UN.
14 posted on 03/01/2005 10:54:58 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Before the Summer is over, is my bet re Syria getting a regime change, unless ASSad jr, does a Krazy Khadfi and leaves the dark side.


15 posted on 03/01/2005 10:57:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Ledeen is saying,.... faster please...I pinged you to the really outstanding article.


16 posted on 03/01/2005 11:08:17 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ernest can you ping me to that also.


17 posted on 03/01/2005 11:10:32 AM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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To: Cap Huff; Dog; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; F14 Pilot
That's some good stuff on those Blogs.

Also found this:

Caveman in Beirut

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Thursday, February 17, 2005

A Case for Iranian Involvement

Stratfor* is officially off the fence now regarding the Hariri assassination, and it appears that the announcement of the formation of an Iranian-Syrian united front to counter so-called "threats against them" tipped the scales. They now seem to believe that the assassination was carried out under both Syrian and Iranian sponsorship (partially due to the timing of the announcement), most likely through a Hizbullah proxy. In fact, Iran's involvement by itself may somehow let Syria off the hook:

Since Syria is trying to mend its relations with Washington, the idea of a united stand against the United States was probably Iran's. Syria likely agreed to the idea in return for Iranian help in getting rid of al-Hariri using Iranian proxy Hezbollah. If this can be proven, then we can expect to see not only a successful U.S.-led effort to free Lebanon from Syrian control but also an escalation of U.S.-Iranian tensions.

For Iran, Syria and Lebanon (under its current leadership) represent allies and instruments to achieve Iranian foreign policy objectives in the region and beyond. Tehran sees that the growing U.S.-led international demand for Syria to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and restore Lebanese sovereignty will alter the status quo. It fears that a more independent-minded regime will come to power in Beirut and that the Alawite-Baathist state in Damascus could collapse after a military pullout from Lebanon. Such a scenario leaves Iran without partners with which to push its policy in the region and to protect itself from an encroaching United States.

So Iran probably presented the idea of a common front to the Syrians as a means of creating a bulwark against Washington's aggressive policies toward both. The Syrians likely responded that they were very much interested in such a plan but feared being bombed by Israel if they assumed a hostile posture. The Iranians likely argued that this could happen even if Syria did not team up with them.

And why would Syria do this? Well, perhaps Lebanon is just geo-strategically and economically important enough to make just about anything possible. However, Syria would still need an environment of give-and-take in which to proceed:

If it accepted the argument, Damascus would have demanded a token of good faith that Tehran would stick with Syria no matter what. Syria could then have asked Iran for Hezbollah help in eliminating al-Hariri, who the Syrians saw as a growing threat to their position in Lebanon. It is no secret that Syria views Lebanon not only as a geopolitical prize but also as an immense economic benefit to the regime of President Bashar al Assad. The Iranians likely accommodated the Syrians and moved Hezbollah against al-Hariri.

So the question remains - where's the evidence of Hizbullah involvement? If indeed the assassination were carried out by a suicide bomber, this would certainly render some plausibility to the arguments that this is Hizbullah's area of expertise, and therefore it may well be them. However, this may well not be the case - sources here have indicated that the crater and debris field pattern are more consistent with that of a bomb planted beneath the pavement, possibly within the drainage system beneath the road, rather than a bomb detonated above the pavement. The crater is, after all, somewhere between eight and ten feet deep. There are other indications as well, such as positions of cars left standing up and stuff like that - I'm not the expert here (I'm currently looking for the link I found yesterday on this). If an investigation turns up that the bomb were definitely planted beneath the pavement, this instead increases the likelihood of the bomb having been the work of intelligence services or state-sponsored organs, since this would have required very sophisiticated planning. Still, this does not completely absolve Hizbullah - a group capable of sending an unmanned reconaissance plane into Israel certainly does not lack sophisticated capabilities. Regardless of how all this investigative and speculative stuff turns out, the end result is the same - increased U.S.-Iran tensions. Considering this set of circumstances, the problem between the U.S. and Syria may well only be a single step in a much larger process.

*Want a copy of the entire report? Email me here.

18 posted on 03/01/2005 12:06:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Dog
OK...Title is :

Revolution: Freedom, our most lethal weapon against tyranny.
by Michael Ledeen.

19 posted on 03/01/2005 12:10:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Southack; Cap Huff; Dog Gone
However, this may well not be the case - sources here have indicated that the crater and debris field pattern are more consistent with that of a bomb planted beneath the pavement, possibly within the drainage system beneath the road, rather than a bomb detonated above the pavement. The crater is, after all, somewhere between eight and ten feet deep. There are other indications as well, such as positions of cars left standing up and stuff like that - I'm not the expert here (I'm currently looking for the link I found yesterday on this). If an investigation turns up that the bomb were definitely planted beneath the pavement, this instead increases the likelihood of the bomb having been the work of intelligence services or state-sponsored organs, since this would have required very sophisiticated planning.

I commented about this fact on the day of the bombing ....that crater did not come from a car bomb.

20 posted on 03/01/2005 12:15:52 PM PST by Dog (FReepers-- - -- --- We are a battery of 80,000 bullsh*t-seeking missiles.)
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