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To: cyn

I'm probably being politically incorrect, but I think her husband probably did know her wishes and her parents should not interfere. The doctors say she is brain dead and so there really isn't a point in keeping her alive against her wishes.

What's more, you don't see her priest or bishop coming out against her husband.

It looks to me more like the parents can't accept their daughter's predicament and are inflicting pain and suffering on everyone in their effort to save what's left of their daughter.


5 posted on 03/01/2005 4:24:16 AM PST by jbane
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Let's first address the issue of if her husband is a fit guardian and a creditable spokesperson for her.

The fact that Terri is not even allowed to take the swallowing test is an obvious concern, as is the fact that she is not given the ordinary care given to other patients in her condition.

I want to know that Terri is allowed to enjoy that bunny, and that it will not be callously discarded, as are flowers, Christmas cards, birthday & get well cards, and other things that have been sent to her.


7 posted on 03/01/2005 4:34:50 AM PST by cyn
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To: jbane

Are you a sheeple who thinks AP or NBC or whomever just report the unbiased facts?

Are you unable to use logic to come to the conclusion that the "husband" wants her dead because he has moved on?

Does a husband shack up with a woman, father and raise two kids with this shack-up honey, and make plans to marry her once his wife is dead strike you as a loving husband/guardian who has the best interest of his mentally handicapped wife in mind?

Have you ever seen the very recent video of Terri laughing and interacting with people and a ballon? Brain-dead people do not do that.

Perhaps you are not as informed on this situation as you think you are.


8 posted on 03/01/2005 4:34:55 AM PST by FRepublican
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To: jbane
You are not just being politically incorrect, you are being totally ignorant of the facts surrounding the case. Terri Schiavo is NOT brain dead. She is brain damaged, likely by the husband who now wants her to shrivel and die so he can get a million bucks in insurance money. THIS WOMAN IS NOT BRAIN DEAD. CHOOSE LIFE!
9 posted on 03/01/2005 4:35:22 AM PST by Conservatrix (He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: jbane
I'm probably being politically incorrect

No, in fact your position is pc. It's pc to advocate the murder of innocents.

10 posted on 03/01/2005 4:36:44 AM PST by ASA Vet (Roxy/Rice 2008)
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To: jbane
The doctors say she is brain dead and so there really isn't a point in keeping her alive against her wishes.

It is my understanding that a person who is "brain-dead" does not move and respond as Terri does. I doubt doctors said she was brain dead.

I cringed at the suggestion of euthanizing people in her condition and the elderly (to contain costs).

This person she unfortunately married needs to get out and stay out of the picture as he does NOT have her best interest at heart all he wants is money.

11 posted on 03/01/2005 4:51:34 AM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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What's more, you don't see her priest or bishop coming out against her husband.

On the contrary, Priests for Life have come out strongly in support of Terri and her parents.

15 posted on 03/01/2005 5:01:42 AM PST by mware
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To: jbane
This has nothing to do with being politically correct.

Please go to her web site to learn the facts.

Had she been brain dead, she would not be alive today. People who are brain dead usually cannot survive without a ventilator.

She and her husband did not discuss their wishes. At the malpractice trial - he sued for money to take care of her and get her the best care possible.

After he won the money and move on is when he had a change of heart and decided she would be better off dead.

He won't divorce her because of the loss of financial gain in his favor.

She will suffer if her tube is removed. She still feels pain and the same emotions we do.
18 posted on 03/01/2005 5:09:14 AM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: jbane

Have you seen the videos of Terri responding?

I think NOT.


33 posted on 03/01/2005 6:15:32 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: jbane
"What's more, you don't see her priest or bishop coming out against her husband."

Terri's priest, Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, did indeed speak out against Michael Schiavo and his negligance of Terri. Michael Schiavo has been co-habitating with Jodi Centonze for over 10 years and has fathered two children with her. He has clearly moved on with his life. Now he needs to let Terri be with her family so they can take proper care of her. In addition, about 6 doctors gave court depositions stating that Terri is not in a persistant vegetative state. How can some who is PVS smile and laugh at her family, and interact with her nurses?

34 posted on 03/01/2005 6:18:10 AM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org & www.theempirejournal.com)
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The doctors say she is brain dead

Doctors can be wrong. Look at her.

38 posted on 03/01/2005 6:41:06 AM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: jbane

That you, Jodi?


39 posted on 03/01/2005 6:42:18 AM PST by texaslil
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To: jbane
I'm probably being politically incorrect, but I think her husband probably did know her wishes and her parents should not interfere. The doctors say she is brain dead and so there really isn't a point in keeping her alive against her wishes.

These two sentences demonstrate how little you know about this case. No doctor who has treated her has ever described her as brain dead, because she isn't. She recognizes people, she responds to others' speech, even though she cannot speak.

Learn a bit more about it - and since you are clearly not a parent, think about whether her parents might have some insight into her wishes and think about whether they have her best wishes at heart or whether her husband does - remember, he gets more than a million in cash as soon as she is dead.

And all this is beside the fact that her husband is proposing to have her starved and dehydrated to death. If you did that to a cat in FL you would be in prison. But it's apparently OK to treat an injured human being like that, as far as you are concerned.

42 posted on 03/01/2005 7:53:10 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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Let's say -- for the sake of discussion -- that her husband did have some sense of her wishes. Let me ask a few follow-ups then:
  1. You would not deny, would you, that her siblings and parents and friends would not also have some sense of her wishes?

  2. You would not deny, would you, that her parents and siblings have some very reasonable claim as parties in the consideration of something as irretrivably final as death?

  3. You would not deny, would you, that while her husband may have had and so expressed an honest sense of what he perceived to be her wishes, that such a "sense" is not perfect, it is a poorer grade of proof, than say an unequivocally clear and repeated expression by Terri of that wish, or better of a properly signed and witnessed living will?

60 posted on 03/01/2005 11:34:45 AM PST by bvw
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This person is just baiting all here who support letting Terri live. Best to ignore someone who chooses to be ignorant of the facts in this case.


91 posted on 03/01/2005 12:15:36 PM PST by antceecee
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To: jbane
I'm probably being politically incorrect, but I think her husband probably did know her wishes and her parents should not interfere.

I won't say you're politically incorrect.

I'll say you're uninformed about the facts.

There are quotes from the estranged husband to the effect that he had no idea what her wishes were. Something like, "How the he!! do I know what she wanted. We were only in our 20s."

That quote is around, and can be found.

101 posted on 03/01/2005 12:38:33 PM PST by texasbluebell
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This case has been controversial for a long time. Facts are out there which make this probably the most crooked court and mishandled case ever.
1)Terri demonstrates too much cognition to be considered PVS. Brain damage is not the same thing.
2)Besides which, new research is changing the definition of and the prognosis for PVS.
3) NOBODY HAS A CLUE about what Terri's wishes would have been, the court's decision aside. Schiavo's very delayed convenient memory of her statement is self-serving. That's being kind.
4)Her priest and bishop have only rarely been allowed by Schiavo to visit her, and she a devout Catholic. She recognizes her priest and laughs at his jokes.
5)The medical care allowed by Schiavo is totally inadequate, to the point that Schiavo should be investigated for negligence. As guardian, he is BY LAW required to provide the care she needs, the care that should have been paid for by the income from the suit and the insurance. She should be in a convalescent hospital where therapy is allowed. Hospices are for the terminally ill, which she is not.
6)Schiavo has in fact deliberately denied Terri the most basic medical and dental care which would be routine to any handicapped or disaled person.
7) There is no right to abuse or neglect a disabled person because they are inconvenient.


152 posted on 03/01/2005 4:20:22 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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No, you are being politically correct. thats your problem. You have not read or seen what is really going on. You need to take a little more time and get your info straight or is it that you are in agreement with judge greer, who is not just legally blind, but blind legally.

You will find there is a lot more to this story than just her husbands statement (who by the way took 8 years before seeing that her so called wish would be done). So if her wish was not to be left like this why would Michael wait 8 years? Money? hoping she would die before she could say anything? Terri has been responsive and that has scared him. Why? Thats why there is now an investigation about injuries that judge greer seems to be trying to hide.

162 posted on 03/01/2005 5:25:37 PM PST by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has, but the question is: Faith in What?)
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I read most of your responses and have only one thing to say to you. Even if Terri were PVS (and I don't believe she is), does that mean she deserves to die of starvation? Is that how you would want to die? What kind of person would starve another living human being to death? What harm can there be in MS giving her a divorce and letting her go home with her parents?

You need to read a very important book, The Power of the Powerless. I wonder if you'd understand what the author was trying to say.

Here is an excerpt of the article that starts the book:

Power of the Powerless: A Brother's Lesson
By Christopher de Vinck

I grew up in the house where my brother was on his back in his bed for almost 33 years, in the same corner of his room, under the same window, beside the same yellow walls. Oliver was blind, mute. His legs were twisted. He didn't have the strength to lift his head nor the intelligence to learn anything.

Today I am an English teacher, and each time I introduce my class to the play about Helen Keller, "The Miracle Worker," I tell my students about Oliver. One day, during my first year teaching, a boy in the last row raised his hand and said, "Oh, Mr. de Vinck. You mean he was a vegetable."

I stammered for a few seconds. My family and I fed Oliver. We changed his diapers, hung his clothes and bed linen on the basement line in winter, and spread them out white and clean on the lawn in the summer. I always liked to watch the grasshoppers jump on the pillowcases.

We bathed Oliver. Tickled his chest to make him laugh. Sometimes we left the radio on in his room. We pulled the shade down over his bed in the morning to keep the sun from burning his tender skin. We listened to him laugh as we watched television downstairs. We listened to him rock his arms up and down to make the bed squeak. We listened to him cough in the middle of the night.

"Well, I guess you could call him a vegetable. I called him Oliver, my brother. You would have liked him."

... Even now, five years after his death, Oliver remains the weakest, most helpless human being I ever met, and yet he was one of the most powerful. He could do absolutely nothing except breathe, sleep and eat; yet he was responsible for love, courage and insight.

The rest of the aricle is here and elsewhere on the internet:

The Power of the Powerless

177 posted on 03/01/2005 9:37:05 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Click on my name to see what readers have said about my Christian novels!)
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To: jbane
The husband is an adulterer who has been living with another woman for ten years and has two kids by her. He did not spend the money from the insurance settlement on the type of care talked about and proscribed in the settlement. Up until he got the money he talked about trying to rehabilitate her...then all of that changed when the money came in.

If Terri dies, he stands to get more of that money, not to mention the fact that Terri will never have any opportunity to improve and possible shed light on some of the other causes of her current condition.

The parents clearly love and want to care for their daughter. The husband does not. Unless you are a parent and have faced the prospect of losing the child you love, particularly when there is hope of some recovery (and there are just as many saying that there is some hope as there are saying there isn't), then please do not talk to me about how the parents feel, or how they are inflicting more pain on their daughter. That is so bassackward it is pathetic. They do not want to starve her to deat...she is clearly jappy to see them when they get to visit her.

The law says there must be a living will and written, legal instructions in cases like these. Terri left none. That law is there in most places to help avoid just this sort of horror.

The doctors that the court appoints say one thing (and Greer is an activist, liberal judge) other doctors say something entirely differently.

The videos of Terri speak for themselves. She is definitely not brain dead or permanently a vegetable to anyone with a lick of common sense or sincerity.

The right to life trumps all other rights. Our founders deliberately put it first in the list they enumerated. When in doubt, when there is any question, LIFE should get the benefit of the doubt. In this case, much like abortions, that is being cast aside. As individuals and as a society, we do so...we cast aside the most basic moral foundation of our liberty at great peril. Certainly for those who are being killed, but equally for us all. That is the real reason this case is so important.

186 posted on 03/02/2005 5:25:59 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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If you are questionsing the parents not wanting to let their daughter go you might want to ask it of the husband as well. Why do adament to let her go...if he loves her so much that he wants to uphold her wishes why does he have a fiancee and has children by her or how about. Could he also be just the slightest bit interested in the life insurance?


192 posted on 03/02/2005 9:49:11 AM PST by katiebelle
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