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Showdown at border?
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 7, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 03/07/2005 10:45:02 PM PST by Dan Evans

Violent, terror-connected gang threatens to confront civilian immigration patrols.

It looks like there is going to be a second "showdown at the OK Corral" in Tombstone, Ariz., April 1.

A leader of the violent, terror-connected Latin American gang Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has reportedly issued orders from federal prison to members of his international criminal organization to teach a lesson to a group of Americans taking border control into their own hands.

The American civilians, known as the "Minutemen," say they have some 750 volunteers ready to show up in Tombstone to start policing the border and dealing with illegal immigration.

The Mara Salvatruchas, founded in Los Angeles, has become one of the most violent and widespread gangs throughout South America, the U.S. and even Canada. Many of its members and leaders have been deported from the U.S., but the group is said to be deeply involved in cross-border arms-running and drug-smuggling operations, according to U.S. law enforcement sources.

Lately, the gang has joined forces with former members of the Farabundo Mart�ational Liberation Front, a radical terrorist group, and some U.S. intelligence sources say they may also be cooperating with Islamic terrorist groups – including al-Qaida.

Meanwhile, the Minutemen hope to form a group of civilians from all walks of life to patrol the border day and night – even with the threat of such violence. Their goal is stop the flow of illegal immigration through the Arizona-Mexico border, the biggest entry point into the U.S.

Jim Gilchrist of Orange County, Calif., is leading the project.

"I struck the mother lode of nationalism," he told a local TV station. "I thought I would be lucky to get 12 volunteers. In six months, I've gotten almost 500."

The target is a 230-mile stretch of desert along the Arizona-Mexico border. Some people call the area "America's Open Door." Along this section of the border, more than 43 percent of all illegal entries to the U.S. take place.

Last year, the Tucson Border Patrol apprehended 491,000. But for every person caught, immigration sources say, at least five walk in undetected.

"We're going to set up at least 40 maybe 80 outposts, four to six people per outpost 24/7, looking for people who are infiltrating over that border," said Gilchrist.

To do this, Gilchrist is amassing people from all walks of life to spend a month camped out on the border.

But some say taking the work of border patrol into their own hands could be deadly. While Gilchrist stresses non-violence, he doesn't rule out the possibility that many of his volunteers will be armed.

"Ten percent of our members are retired law enforcement officers who have a right to carry a concealed weapon. They probably will carry and you won't know it," he said.

But Andy Adame with the U.S. Border Patrol in Tucson warned "people are going to get hurt." Adame said many of these volunteers don't know what they're in for.

"When you have untrained civilians, that are armed, that are out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the night, in the dark, and they meet up with one of these smuggling organizations ... you're going to have a gun fight," said Adame.

Border patrol agents have seen a growing problem with violence in recent years. Agents have been attacked by frustrated smugglers with rocks, bricks, even automatic weapons.

According to authorities, violence along the Tucson sector has climbed to an all-time high.

"Bringing untrained civilians into this border environment is a recipe for disaster," said Adame.

But that has not deterred many of the volunteers.

The Minutemen even have an air force. They plan to use about two dozen aircraft to patrol the skies near the border.

Rivera-Paz was arrested three weeks ago and is accused of murdering more than two dozen people in Honduras. He was wanted in connection with the December bus massacre of 28 people, including six children, in San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

The Mara Salvatruchas identify themselves with tattoos, such as "MS" or the numbers 13 and 18, signifying their relationship to the gang. The gang formed in the United States in the 1980s in a Los Angeles prison. The 13 and 18 signify the city streets in L.A. where they hung out.

U.S. officials are concerned the gang members might help sneak al-Qaida terrorists into America.

Rivera-Paz was charged with illegally entering the United States after being deported, but is expected to be extradited to Honduras to face charges in connection with the bus massacre.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; immigration; mexicanborder; minuteman; minutemanproject; minutemen; patrol
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To: Ruth A.

You know what. I bet you can't provide a link. I bet you don't even know what you're talking about. You're just repeating something you scrolled across one day and took to be the gospel without checking it out for yourself.


41 posted on 03/07/2005 11:36:07 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader; Ruth A.; tracer

While we're waiting for tracer to explain what is the Holy Deal with his Holy Sword, why not ask the owner about any links which Ruth A. might have seen? He probably authored them.


42 posted on 03/07/2005 11:40:41 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dan Evans
Maybe a showdown is what's needed for our government to take this serious and do the job they are suppose to be doing now. Hopefully these people who are patrolling the border are armed well enough to kill any gang member scumbags that try to confront them. If I could I would be out there helping them. Our government has shown it's not going to do anything about this problem, so the American people are going to have to start taking it into their own hands and make something big happen.
43 posted on 03/07/2005 11:43:30 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: Ruth A.
The problem is that many of those "minutemen" are white supremacists.

Seems like many of the people who want to take over the Southwest and expell the white people are supremacists too. What does La Raza mean?

44 posted on 03/07/2005 11:44:23 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans

I agree with you there, too.


45 posted on 03/07/2005 11:45:02 PM PST by Ruth A.
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To: tracer

"Que pasa? Es una espada or espina que tienes?" Juan asks, as you stand there with your Holy Sword which the Bible told you to buy.


47 posted on 03/07/2005 11:45:49 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: k2blader

This will be a very interesting test case for the parallel and larger problem of islamists in America.

Namely, a threat to our nation where the government just isn't doing anything substantive and it's up to the people.

That's why FR's half dozen Jihadi apologists frequently show up on these threads with the usual 'racist' and 'genocide' stuff looking to have the thread deleted and posters banned.

Jihad is fought in many ways.





48 posted on 03/07/2005 11:47:23 PM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: Dan Evans; Ruth A.

Did your mother teach you that two wrongs make a right? If so I feel sorry for you.


49 posted on 03/07/2005 11:48:26 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: k2blader; tracer

Sorry, should be to tracer.


50 posted on 03/07/2005 11:48:29 PM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: Ruth A.

I am waiting for the link supporting the assertion that the Minutemen are 'White Supremacists' as well. Do you have it?


51 posted on 03/07/2005 11:49:56 PM PST by drt1
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To: Cultural Jihad
And there's Juan, the pious dishwasher who wants to come to Rico America and work hard and support his family, and he sees you in front of him, carrying your Holy Sword. What happens next, sport?

We send him home to his family where he belongs.

52 posted on 03/07/2005 11:53:09 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: antoninartaud

Right!


53 posted on 03/07/2005 11:53:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: drt1

It is quite a Democrat-like strategery, isn't it.


54 posted on 03/07/2005 11:54:16 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Did your mother teach you that two wrongs make a right?

It isn't wrong to enforce the law. National borders are not wrong.

55 posted on 03/07/2005 11:57:26 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: drt1; Ruth A.
Are? Or are being used by? It's about the same thing as far a mud getting splattered upon those who are nearby it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1356778/posts?page=23#23

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1356778/posts?page=27#27

56 posted on 03/07/2005 11:59:02 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: clee1

A lot of people just love to quote that first sentence. Strangely they don't quite have the energy to post the rest of it.


57 posted on 03/07/2005 11:59:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Ruth A.

"The problem is that many of those "minutemen" are white supremacists."

I don't care what they are as long as they are keeping illegals out of our country. People in all border states need to start recruiting volunteers to protect our borders. Of course sooner or later their will be a big battle with some criminals but apparently it's going to take something big to get our government to do the job they should have been doing all along.


58 posted on 03/08/2005 12:00:03 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

D1, care to comment about post #13?


59 posted on 03/08/2005 12:00:57 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dan Evans
And so we are.

Assuming you were speeding down the road today, did we catch you speeding? Probably not. Do we enforce road safety? Yes.

60 posted on 03/08/2005 12:03:59 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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