This isn't about domestic violence, it's about keeping the federal grants coming to the radical feminists, who wrote the original bill and pre-positioned themselves to grab all the money. |
Posted on 03/08/2005 2:18:36 PM PST by JFK_Lib
....Domestic abuse can and does happen to women of all ages, races, and socioeconomic and educational backgrounds. Although abuse happens to men and to same-sex partners, domestic violence usually involves men abusing their female partners. In fact, the Department of Health and Human Services estimates that as many as 4 million women suffer abuse from their husbands, ex-husbands, boyfriends or intimate partners in the United States each year.
Domestic abuse — also called domestic violence, intimate partner violence or battering — occurs between people in intimate relationships. It takes many forms, including coercion, threats, intimidation, isolation, and emotional, sexual and physical abuse. ....
Emotional abuse. Uses put-downs, insults, criticism or name-calling to make you feel bad about yourself. Intimidation. Uses certain looks, actions or gestures to instill fear. The abuser may break things, destroy property, abuse pets or display weapons. ..... Privilege. Makes all major decisions, defines the roles in your relationship, is in charge of the home and social life, and treats you like a servant or possession.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Second scenario, and having trekked down the entire leviathan of feminist-defined DV -- perhaps JFK's "trivial slap", was a tad careless (the "trivial" part). You are male. Your wife is throwing plates through the window and at you. How do you stop her. I've seen and heard and listened to testimony of MANY men through a 20 year period of time, who spent "time" and because THEY WERE BEING ABUSED (physically) assaulted by the wife, and when they slapped or hit back -- WHAMO. Off to the clinker.
So this "slapping" stuff under the DV -- is screwy AND NEEDS CLARIFICATION. "Slapping" or "slapping in self-defense" or "slapping to halt the person from self-other inflicting harm".
To date, the "term" has been used to incarcerate and punish some pretty decent husbands.
I hate VAWA almost as much as I hate taxes.
It was stated that DV between marrieds were lower than unmarrieds, lesbian relationships, and homosexual relationships. This per the Family Research Council. I find that to be a surprising thing since I didn't think that police kept records on such things. If nothing else, it seems incredibly non-PC.
I dare say, the state's overlordishness in this area might be an enabler for abused to stick around when they should vamoose.
I don't know if I'd go that far. The most dangerous time comes when the (true) victim leaves. Loss of control and all that. I wish that all women who've been real victims of DV could be trainable in the best art of self-defense, and we'd see less of post-relationship violence.
Whooooaaaaaaaa "trivial slapping"
excuse me, but any man giving a "trivial slap" to a woman is abusing her in my book, NO slap is TRIVIAL.
Majority
(Rehnquist, C.J. delivered the opinion of the Court, in which O'Connor, Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy, J.J., joined)
Congress' power under the Commerce Clause (Art. I, section 8) does not allow it to pass the VAWA. United States v. Lopez sets out that Congress has the authority to pass legislation under the Commerce Clause where the intrastate activity "substantially affects interstate commerce." Like Lopez, the intrastate activity VAWA seeks to regulate is non-economic, criminal conduct. This activity would not substantially affect interstate commerce.
The argument made by the government that violence against women affects the national economy in the aggregate is too far reaching. This argument would allow Congress to regulate not only violent crimes, but also any activity that might lead to violent crimes, so long as there is some affect on interstate commerce.
Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment places limitations on Congress' power to enact legislation based on discriminatory conduct. Congress is limited to areas where the state is involved. In this case, the state is not involved in the suit. Bronzkala's claim is against private individuals, so the Fourteenth Amendment does not provide protection.
>>>>If you don't want someone to slap you don't provoke them into it in that way<<<<
WTF are you talking about? A women should be able to yak all she wants without being slapped and visa versa, what planet do you live on? People have to learn how to control themselves and slapping one another is just uncivil and disrespectful.
"I have seen both men and women slapped justifiably"
Please explain when slapping each other is justifiable.
Anyone know why women have a thing for throwing breakables when they're mad?
I worked for a child abuse prevention program for the military. We worked with families where there was already identifiable abuse going on..either child or spouse. Many, many, many times, the military member would go on deployment and still control the checkbook and the ATM card, sending the spouse very little cash monthly. And yes, the wife would be forbidden to work..making her solely dependant on the husband.
A sad state of affairs when mom would come in, usually with 2 or more young ones, needing items from the food closet to get by..food, formula, diapers.
Thesis? :^)
This isn't about domestic violence, it's about keeping the federal grants coming to the radical feminists, who wrote the original bill and pre-positioned themselves to grab all the money. |
CNN is surely not trying to imply that a majority of these "abusers" are men as well? That would be unethical. *cough* *cough*
As usual. Some reporters are biased, some are stupid, and many are stupid AND biased.
You certainly make some good points.
Well, abuse tends to run in families, so I think there's a flaw in your hypothesis. :) As Pat Benatar sang (I never thought there'd be a chance to seriously quote Pat Benatar) 'love and pain become one and the same in the eyes of a wounded child'. In other words, kids learn that violence is the way to solve problems, and that the unhealhy violent situation they are used to is 'normal'. It takes a strong person (either male or female) to break the cycle.
Also, when you keep provoking someone by demeaning and insulting them, you generate in them the desire to knock your block off. It doesn't make it right. But not all are blessed with the patience of Job. While there still should be legal penalties for assault, the provoker is not a "victim" in the true sense of the word, and no, one doesn't have the "right" to be emotionally and verbally abusive without any fear of consequences.
Finally, I am emphatically not of the school that you "never hit a woman". If physically attacked by a woman, I will do what is necessary to render her unable to inflict harm, as is my right of self-defense. IMHO men put up with way too much BS from women.
What is a trivial slap? A slap that does not cause serious injury. This isnt rocket science and if someone cant put that together, I have to wonder why that is.
Yes, I have slapped several people in my life, and some were female. I have never slapped my wife but if the situation warranted it, I would do so. If you dont like that, I dont care.
There are times when people say and do things that merit justifiable rage and force. There are times when someone needs to be shocked out of their panic, self assured shell, or belief that their provocations are beyond any consequence.
That such an act of violence might get me put in jail is something that concerns me, so I avoid associating with unstable people that might put me in that situation. But I dont screw around with idiots and jack-asses that are going to behave stupidly, I perform my responsibilities reliably, and I obey the laws as much as I can to avoid any trouble with the law.
This nation is suffering from a wave of anti-violence hysteria. Violence is a morally neutral act; a tool that may or may not be used appropriately. Simply because something is violent does not mean it is ipso-facto immoral or wrong. Sometimes a good kick in the butt or a slap across the cheek is exactly what the person needs to straighten them out.
But in general, the abhorance toward violence is the biggest form of hypocrisy around today. While so many state that it is a horrible, unjustifiable thing that a man slap a woman, they ignore the horridness of a woman slapping a man. While our nation reacts with horror at video of two women slapping each other, they laugh at a video showing a man being struck in the genitals.
If slapping a woman warrants putting the man in jail every time under any and every circumstance, then far more women than men would be in jail today because men consider it unmanly to complain of such things. Most men are aware of the double standard but do not care to think about it or speak out. I am aware of it, and I will speak plainly because some one must and that is how I choose to live - honestly with myself, my fellow man and my God.
But there are justifiable times to slap a person, male or female, just as their are other times that violence needs to be used and is justified. It varies in scale according to the situation, from someone slashing your tires to them pointing a loaded gun in your face, and the justifiable force used in response varies in proportion to the afront/threat.
That some of the moral Storm Troopers are ready to hang my hide out to dry for daring to dissent on this issue is amusing, but if they dont like it, they can stuff it.
I don't know. In my family we quit being victims once my mother left my father. He was one mean bastard. The real issue is children grow up watching how their parents interact with each other and pick up those behaviors. Hence the cycle repeats itself over and over. The only way to break it is to realize that you are indeed able to overcome and not be a victim and to educate yourself on the typical patterns that abusers have.
If people would learn how to pay attention to the red flags they would almost all of the time avoid being a victim. I lived through an abusive father and if a man ever even threatens to hit me I will not take it. I will not stay and I will not be manipulated in going back either.
There are other types of problems of course with kids growing up in a fatherless home. If people would just learn how to respect others life would be so much more pleasant.
I can only condone violence against strangers when done in self-defense. Otherwise I agree with you 100%, especially regarding hypocrisy. You will find many posters who condemn in the solemnest manner any violence against women, then gaggling with glee when a woman bites a man's testicles off.
Vince, what about the proverbial 'fighting words'? Is that a justifiable category anymore?
Here is one example; when I was in the service I knew a black man that was trying to break off a relationship with a white woman. He avoided her as much as he could, but she would occasionally find him as she knew he had to be at certain places at certain times.
One day she started a confrontation with him and he tried to calm things down. But she knew the buttons to push, and she pushed them hard. Finally she dropped the 'N bomb', shouting, 'Who do you think you are? Your just a F***ing N***er!'
Now this man was a sergeant and she was doing this in front of his men, openly disrespecting him in the most egregious way, then that last phrase; it was just too much for the guy and he slapped her. He didnt draw blood, or bruise her face - it was just a stinging slap that shut her up, which is what needed to happen.
I think he was totally justified.
I know of a case where a guy was playing basketball and a woman had been harrassing him for weeks for various reasons. She would call him names and ridicule him and nothing he could say to her would get her off his back.
He goes in for a layup, and she runs out on the court and yanked down his shorts just as he jumps up. He was shocked and humiliated and slapped the woman several times. She fled crying and never bothered him again. She suffered no serious injury, but the man ended his torment when she went over the line and physically touched him inappropriately.
Another case for justifiable slappage in my opinion.
Today both those men would have gone to jail, and that is absurd, but we will live in a society that is dominated by PC ideology and it dominates the thinking of even conservatives.
Violence is always wrong? So John Wayne was an abuser?
For a man to act like a man naturally is prone to act has been criminalized today as part of an effort to 'deconstruct the patriarchy', and conservtives are being duped into supporting it in cases like this.
But people can read it for themselves right there on CNN - a man doesnt even have to touch a woman now and it is considered 'abuse'.
And is it a wonder that we are seeing marriage rates drop and divorce rates climb?
We need to return to common sense values and drop it with the broad sweeping generalizations and remember that real life has a lot of gray areas and a lot of exceptions to any general rule.
But that is the design of the laws and terms used in this case, as the feminist radicals are hoping to see innocent men jailed in an effort to diminish male influence in society.
But dont get mad at me; I am just calling it like I see it.
They were both clearly out of line. And in public at the man's job. I can't think of anything more humuliating to subject a person too. After a while the noise broke up and they apparently went their seperate ways.
One can only imagine the "greeting" the guy got when he went home.
If they struck you I hope it was the last time you ever saw or spoke with them.
I got to a point in my life where I simply cut people off who displayed uncontrolled anger. It's the best personal policy to live by.
And the pathetic cries of "I didn't mean it!" or "Why won't you talk to me?" are fairly entertaining until you have to change your number or block them.
I had a Peruvian girlfriend who flew into an absolute rage over me playing Brasilian music (it's mostly what I listen to even 11 years later except for easy listening Spanish). I had just broken up with a Brasilian girl months before this girl. So when I flicked on the tunes she got into a jealous rage and stormed out of the house. It was MUSIC for crying out loud.
In a perfectly clear and calm state of mind I got up and locked the door. I think she waited in the car a few minutes to see if I would follow. I ordered pizza.
A month later I met my wife. In 11 years we have never had any sort of fight. We've had disagreements, but they have been very calm and almost immediately resolved. I personally think she's an angel, so I'm a little more careful than normal around her. : )
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Nobody needs to read these things; just watch the volume of them, and note which venues carry them. The "Violence Against Women Act," which funds lesbian-run feminist propaganda missions in some 100 cities, is up for renewal this year. So it's time to rattle the chains about domestic violence, and to paint men as bunch of beastly thugs.