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Arizona Meteorite Crater Mystery Solved
AP via Yahoo ^ | 3/9/05

Posted on 03/09/2005 10:19:19 AM PST by ZGuy

It's a mystery that has puzzled scientists for years but researchers said Wednesday they have discovered why there isn't much melted rock at the famous Meteor Crater in northern Arizona.

An iron meteorite traveling up to 12 miles per second was thought to have blasted out the huge hole measuring three-quarters of a mile across in the desert.

The impact of an object at that speed should have left large volumes of melted rock at the site. But British and American scientists said the reason it didn't was because the meteorite was traveling slower than previously estimated.

"We conclude that the fragmented iron projectile probably struck the surface at a velocity of about 12 km (7.5 miles) (per second)," said Professor H. Jay Melosh, of the University of Arizona, in a report in the science journal Nature.

Meteor Crater, which was formed about 50,000 years ago, was the first terrestrial crater identified as a meteorite impact scar.

Melosh and Gareth Collins, of Imperial College London, used a simple model to calculate the speed on impact. They showed the meteorite had slowed when it hit the Earth's atmosphere and broke into fragments before it struck the Earth.

They calculated the impact velocity was about 26,800 miles per hour.

"Even though iron is very strong, the meteorite had probably been cracked from collisions in space," Melosh said in a statement.

"The weakened pieces began to come apart and shower down from about 8.5 miles high. As they came apart, atmospheric drag slowed them down, increasing the forces that crushed them so that they crumbled and slowed more," he added.

The scientists said that at about 3 miles altitude, most of the meteorite was spread in a large cloud.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: archaeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; theskyisfalling
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To: SlowBoat407
"By the way, I use a Mac. Why don't we start up the whole Mac versus PC thing while we're at it. "

If the article was in any way related to Mac or PC....I suppose we could say that Mac is like a giant hole in the gound blown away by Gates abusive and antitrust use of his monopoly. Or we could say that security in the PC is like that crator.

But we are really stretching here.

The article clearly stated the age of the crator and I just wanted to know what the science behind the claim was.

Thinkplease eventually answered the question.

81 posted on 03/09/2005 11:40:43 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: PatrickHenry
If you cultists can get people to start believing that rocks fall from the sky, then life has no meaning. Why shouldn't we all run around raping and killing each other? Where will it all end?

With 'animalistic sexual depravity,' or so we've been told by the various paranoid obsessive-compulsives who haunt threads like this......

.... oh, I'm sorry, that's only if the Theory of Evolution is correct -- nothing to do with craters -- never mind.

;-)

82 posted on 03/09/2005 11:49:09 AM PST by longshadow
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To: Strategerist
I'm just astonished that there are actual people that basically consider scientific inquiry and curiousity worthless and uninteresting.

That's nothing; you should see what some folks say about science on CREVO threads....

83 posted on 03/09/2005 11:50:29 AM PST by longshadow
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To: DannyTN
Thinkplease eventually answered the question.

Glad to be of service. I suspect you couldn't have gotten the answer you were looking for. Those links are from online journals, and they generally cost money to view, unless you happen to work for a subscriber, like I do.

84 posted on 03/09/2005 11:51:24 AM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Strategerist
Oh it was from a 'scientist'! Never mind then. Would not want to question one of those. They might be able to pull out piles of formulas to fend me off.

...except that I have had geologists explain the flaws in geologic dating to me before. Any date is an article amounts to the personal wilda$$ guess of the first scientist they talked to and is subject to being changed with every additional person asked. What annoys me is not that I have some pre assumed age of the earth and reject all else out of hand. What annoys me is that articles always toss out a date like that as a proven fact when it is simply and vague estimate based on whichever model (of many to chose from) the leading researcher on that site decided to use. I always laugh when someone tries pretend dates articles toss out are actually well proven and that questioning them is some how a sign of ignorance or delusion. Complete BS. The dating for this was probably done in several ways with widely different results and they simply averaged them or picked the one they 'thought was most reliable' (liked best).
85 posted on 03/09/2005 11:51:40 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: ThinkPlease
"Glad to be of service. I suspect you couldn't have gotten the answer you were looking for."

Which is why I didn't even try. The odds of actually turning up a scientific article that would discuss the dating method used is low.

Hence my frustration that the popular press doesn't report the method.

86 posted on 03/09/2005 11:58:06 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: dhs12345
That's not funny! What if it had hit Bedrock? Huh? Would you be joking then?

I think not, Mr. Smarmy! Many, many Hanna-Barbarians would have been destroyed--Fred, Wilma, Barney, and Betty would probably be among the victims!

Think a little before making some crude joke about the tragedies of our ancestors, would you? Jeez!

87 posted on 03/09/2005 12:08:35 PM PST by Husker8877
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To: SlowBoat407
"My faith does not interfere with my ability to observe the world and my desire to understand its nature."

Nor does mine, but my faith does sometimes require me to question observations, and the conclusions drawn from those observations, and to avoid jumping to rash conclusions when an observation appears to contradict my faith.

My faith is not malleable where any human conjecture or believed observation, automatically requires an adjustment in my understanding of what God said.

I'm quite content to take note of certain observations and flag them as questionable. It's a lot more believable than that God miscommunicated.

88 posted on 03/09/2005 12:10:59 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Logic n' Reason
I wonder if you would be able to convince the folks that live on the moon of your silly 16 points.

They don't live on the moon, the live in the moon. Sheesh!

89 posted on 03/09/2005 12:13:46 PM PST by Ignatz (Scribe of the Unwritten Law)
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To: DannyTN

God never miscommunicates. We're sometimes so busy squabbling amongst ourselves, however, that we don't quite hear correctly. I'm not pointing to anything specific, just a philosophical moment.


90 posted on 03/09/2005 12:32:25 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (Bekaa to the future!)
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To: SlowBoat407
"God never miscommunicates. We're sometimes so busy squabbling amongst ourselves, however, that we don't quite hear correctly. I'm not pointing to anything specific, just a philosophical moment."

Certainly I agree with that. But I think there also are other times when we hear quite clearly and yet men are saying something different. The temptation is to listen to men over God. Scriptures says that will be a temptation. We should be aware of it and avoid it.

91 posted on 03/09/2005 12:35:38 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: SlowBoat407

But then wouldn't the Flood have filled it with silt? < /thumper>


92 posted on 03/09/2005 12:40:32 PM PST by null and void (Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make proud....)
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To: dhs12345
Good thing it is in the middle of nowhere. It would have been disastrous if it hit a city or something.

Yes, I am kidding.

If the bolide that caused the 1908 Tunguska event had hit eight hours later St. Petersberg would have simply ceased to exist...

93 posted on 03/09/2005 12:44:04 PM PST by null and void (Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make proud....)
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To: nonsporting

There are smaller impact points in the mountains to the south.


94 posted on 03/09/2005 12:49:34 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: longshadow
Scoff if you like, Crater-ite dog! Why do you fear the truth? Afraid they'll cut off your government grants?

What we have here is an unwitnessed event, one which can't be reproduced in the lab (except as absurdly unpersuasive micro-impacts), an event comprised of numerous features which can't be explained by themselves, but only as part of an integrated whole, an event which can't be dated due to the unreliability of radiometric dating techniques, an event which thus far has received only Godless, naturalistic "explanations" in the form of rocks randomly falling from the sky, an event which -- even if it happened as long ago as the naturalist scientists claim -- can't be verified due to their ignorance of conditions so long ago, an event which seems to defy the odds by its very uniqueness, an event which mimics the shape of recently-observed crop circles, and this is the event which the Godless naturalistic scientists want to teach to the children as a purely natural event.

95 posted on 03/09/2005 12:51:44 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: ZGuy

If this is only part of an even bigger meteor that 'cracked' apart as it went through the atmosphere, then where are the other pieces and why does this impact crater look round in shape?


96 posted on 03/09/2005 1:24:50 PM PST by wildbill
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To: wildbill
Think in terms of a shotgun blast at close range into the dirt. Lots of indiviual pieces of shot, but it would leave one "crater" -- not 400 little craterlets.

Now add in tremendous friction due to high speed. So much so that the pieces of shot break up into dust sized fragments and form what the article calls a "cloud" -- same speed, same mass, just not big chunks, hitting the ground. That's basically the theory.

97 posted on 03/09/2005 1:37:12 PM PST by ZGuy
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To: BearWash; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave

There are people who will say it was before my time, but not by much...


98 posted on 03/09/2005 1:41:39 PM PST by tubebender
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To: DannyTN

Better notify the Craterism ping list


99 posted on 03/09/2005 3:06:30 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (The true danger is when Liberty is nibbled away, for expedients. - Edmund Burke (1799))
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To: Oztrich Boy

Wait till you read 53 and 73.


100 posted on 03/09/2005 3:08:23 PM PST by DannyTN
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