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Collocating Coffins (Political correctness in the military did not end with the Clinton admin.)
The American Prowler ^ | 3/18/2005 | George Neumayr

Posted on 03/19/2005 2:11:42 AM PST by nickcarraway

Political correctness in the U.S. military did not end with the Clinton administration. President Bush's military is also pushing an ideology of "equality" at the expense of military effectiveness. For the sake of an absurd feminist experiment, the Bush military is willing to sap its strength, expose women to torture and death and mar the lives of children and families. The price tag of this experiment is on the body bags carrying mothers, wives, and daughters who have died in Iraq, and on the growing list of orphans produced by the war. Read the casualty reports: Lori Ann Piestewa, 23, mother of two preschoolers; Melissa J. Hobart, 22, mother of a 3 year-old; Jessica L. Cawvey, 21, single mother of a 6-year-old; Sgt. Pamela Osbourne, 38, mother of three children, ages 9-19, Katrina L. Bell-Johnson, 32, mother of a 1-year-old.

"Tens of thousands of children are struggling to cope while Mom goes to war," reports the Sacramento Bee. And if Mom does come back, she may return as an amputee. Or shell-shocked, reports the Bee: "Returning female vets are bringing back wounded minds, beset by post-traumatic stress disorder, an illness that affects women at twice the rate of men. Health care experts fear an avalanche of cases among female vets will smother the military health care system."

Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness reports that the Bush military, far from reconsidering the feminization of the military under Bill Clinton, is advancing it. The Bush Pentagon has now done what Clinton didn't even do by implementing a de facto women-in-combat policy of placing women in front-line support groups alongside combat units.

"Under current federal law and military regulations, women are barred from ground combat groups," reports the Bee. (And Bush has said "no women in combat.") "There are indications, however, that the Pentagon is less steadfast than its commander-in-chief about maintaining the status quo. In February, the Army's 3rd Infantry Division acknowledged it has assigned women to units in Iraq that directly support combat troops by providing food, equipment maintenance and other services. The process, called 'collocation' -- literally to place side by side-- is at odds with an 11-year-old Army policy that bans women from serving in front-line support groups."

Elaine Donnelly tells TAS that a Pentagon attitude of "This is how women grow their careers" is driving the new collocation policy. The Pentagon has bizarrely said that these women will only serve alongside combat units when they are not in combat but should they find themselves in combat the military will "evacuate" the female troops. If that doesn't show the military's willingness to lose battles for the sake of a gender-integration experiment, what does?

What a lunatic scenario: the military is placing women with combat units on the assumption that they won't see combat but should they see combat it will dissipate battle resources to "evacuate" soldiers who shouldn't have been there in the first place all so that it can maintain a modified "collocation" policy that conforms to a careerist feminist ideology in the Pentagon.

Soldiers have told Donnelly that the new collocation rule is insane. An infantry officer described what evacuating the 24 women in these units will mean: "[Removing] 24 fully loaded soldiers [would require] two Blackhawk helicopters, six Huey helicopters, one Chinook helicopter, two 5-ton (or LMTV) trucks, 12 up-armored HMMWV's (with a full crew of three) and four to six unarmored HMMWV's to move. These are assets that cannot be spared simply to move females to the rear. In combat, helicopters are preferable but a very scarce asset. Imagine an entire brigade trying to chopper out these female contingents before combat -- it would require almost half of a division's worth of aviation assets to move them all at once."

A female officer told Donnelly: "The key question...remove females when combat begins. That is ridiculous. When does the combat begin? According to the President the war ended and we are not in a 'war zone' but in a 'Theater of Operations' now. I think it is a play on words and commanders in the field will not follow those guidelines. This is political language that we commanders are not aware of. Once soldiers are in the units they will all be placed wherever they are needed regardless of their gender."

In other words, the new collocation policy is a formula for at once losing battles and getting women killed. It is not even accurate to say that death is an equal opportunity provider on the battlefield as women will have less chance of surviving than the men.

But it is not surprising that the military is blurring the distinction between combat and noncombat field positions for women. The door blocking women in combat has been ajar since it became clear that "noncombat" jobs would mean de facto combat jobs (as evident in the fact that "noncombat" women carry weaponry and are dying in combat situations). The military's new collocation policy signifies that it is readying to kick the door wide open. In the meantime, however, female soldiers will learn the hard way what the military means by career benefits.

"You're not generally told as a female that you will be in that type of situation where you are in harm's way directly," National Guard Sergeant Brenda Monroe said to the Sacramento Bee. "I never dreamed that I would wake up every night and have to run to a bunker and take cover because we were being attacked or under direct fire."

The feminist dream that began under Clinton is producing a nightmare under Bush. How many women and mothers will have to die before a Bush military that should know better stops it?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: anotherhateusa; bushhate; collocation; militarymothers; militarywomen; womenincombat
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To: gakrak
The Tet Offensive in 1968 resulted in as many US casualties as we have had in Iraq in 2 years. And the WIA numbers were far higher than we have suffered in Iraq.

It just seems that people have very short memories.
21 posted on 03/19/2005 3:30:31 AM PST by stm
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To: gakrak

The article does not claim that that many children have lost their mothers, simply that they are without their mothers for the duration that those women are deployed.


22 posted on 03/19/2005 3:45:54 AM PST by jaykay (It's just my opinion, but I'm right.)
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To: nickcarraway

Save it for the DU


23 posted on 03/19/2005 3:47:26 AM PST by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: nickcarraway
Soldiers have told Donnelly that the new collocation rule is insane. An infantry officer described what evacuating the 24 women in these units will mean: "[Removing] 24 fully loaded soldiers [would require] two Blackhawk helicopters, six Huey helicopters, one Chinook helicopter, two 5-ton (or LMTV) trucks, 12 up-armored HMMWV's (with a full crew of three) and four to six unarmored HMMWV's to move. These are assets that cannot be spared simply to move females to the rear. In combat, helicopters are preferable but a very scarce asset. Imagine an entire brigade trying to chopper out these female contingents before combat -- it would require almost half of a division's worth of aviation assets to move them all at once."

Wow! Talk about exagerration. Why all that to move 24 women? Wouldn't a couple of truck do it?

24 posted on 03/19/2005 3:57:36 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Former Military Chick

ping and opinion needed.


25 posted on 03/19/2005 3:58:42 AM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr
I am confused, the women volunteered to join the Military to do what and for what reason? This article appears to be nothing more than crap. A hit piece that refutes itself.
Where are the Feminist who are invariably singing, I am Woman, hear me roar...are they barricaded at Harvard?
26 posted on 03/19/2005 4:19:18 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: nickcarraway

For feminists it is self over mission. "I want to be in combat to advance my career" is the feminist mantra. Bull hockey.


27 posted on 03/19/2005 4:23:42 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2; nickcarraway; raybbr; jaykay; Nuzcruizer; gakrak; Squantos; Travis McGee; Jeff Head
Maybe I live in the past, but having had females work for me in the military in what used to be traditional male roles, I agree on bringing back the traditional WAC, WAVE, WAF and Women Marines. The PCness of having women prove themselves in combat (okay - combat support) is putting the lives of warfighters at risk.

The places I had females working for me was always in combat support. They were assigned, so took up an actual slot on the MTOE that used to be a male. Then along comes something that requires a little more upper body strength, like moving an 11:00 X 22 mounted tire and I would have to have a male do it. At that time there were about 6 or 8 soldiers assigned, my fear was what if they were all female? Who would do the heavy lifting?

I guess it is good that I retired from wearing BDU's several years ago. What type of military are we leaving to our grandchildren? I hope they take Chinese is school, I fear they will need it.
28 posted on 03/19/2005 4:43:26 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: nickcarraway

Nickdoggie: Here we go again Nickie!
A "Clinton Feminist Dream" turned into a "Bush Nightmare"?

Let's guess? You majored in "Telegraphing Your Punches"?

Anxiously awaiting your next morsel on the "Bush Military".


29 posted on 03/19/2005 5:42:43 AM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95

'Course, I risk being knighted a dreaded "TROLL" by the ever even-handed, no agenda, totally balanced, ever-deadpanned Sir Nick.

"We love you Nicky! Oh! Yes We Do!


30 posted on 03/19/2005 5:53:20 AM PST by CBart95
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To: nickcarraway

Do they get paid the same??????

THEY DO?????

Then shut up.


31 posted on 03/19/2005 5:54:11 AM PST by E.Allen
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To: Nuzcruizer

Why should this be pulled? It shows examples of how sad sack our all volunteer military has become. I can imagine the women are in the roles that they are because recruitment marks can't be met if women weren't in very near combat slots. It is a simple matter of filling slots with personnel so that no mentions of a draft will be heard.
Women don't belong in many of the roles that they are filling.
If you don't want to see information that you don't agree with, FR isn't the place for you.


32 posted on 03/19/2005 5:59:32 AM PST by em2vn
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To: SLB
I hope they take Chinese is school, I fear they will need it.

BTTT

33 posted on 03/19/2005 6:17:31 AM PST by Gritty ("Outside our shores there is a growing barbarism with no other sheriff in sight"-VD Hanson)
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To: em2vn

Authoritative commentary about the appropriate allocation of female personnel in military operations are probably appropriate if uttered or offered by authorized and qualified types. It's difficult to be sure when this subject comes up in the context of a deliberate smear piece aimed at discrediting our administration in time of war.
As we are still "at war", remarks that insinuate incompetance and ulterior motives on the part of our country's leaders or that characterize the sacrifices made in combat as "Sad Sack" by our so-called volunteer army might be be recieved without some understandable opposition.
Inviting persons one disagrees with to leave the room simply because they disagree may strike some as inappropriate and somehow missing the point of having a forum dedicated to free speech and the expression of differing points of view.


34 posted on 03/19/2005 6:32:27 AM PST by CBart95
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To: raybbr
Exaggeration - I thought the same thing. Maybe the "and" at the end should have been an "or".
35 posted on 03/19/2005 8:14:31 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: nickcarraway

Who forced any of these women to enlist? Who forced them to have children while still serving in the military? Seems to me we live in a country where people are free to make these types of decisions. The person sitting in the WH has nothing to do with it.


36 posted on 03/19/2005 8:19:30 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: em2vn

What kind of military do you think we'll have if they are NOT volunteers? The kind we had back in 'Nam? No thanks.


37 posted on 03/19/2005 8:22:51 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: jaykay
"If a female service member is in Iraq, regardless of location or MOS, she is potentially in a combat area."

There were women at Tan Son Nhut, Camran (sp?) Bay, and various other large/rear area posts in Vietnam. Ain't exactly new.

That said, I'd feel lots better with a 190 pound guy next to me than a "mother of two" when it got up close and personal.

38 posted on 03/19/2005 8:35:47 AM PST by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: Trust but Verify
You misunderstand. No one is saying the women were forced, they are saying the military was forced to change it's policies, by Clinton at the feminists' behest. If you claim that we live in a country that people are free to make decisions, why should our military be forced to make decisions against what they think is in our best interest.

The person sitting in the WH has nothing to do with it.

Wrong. President Clinton enacted this policy, that earlier President like Reagan refused to. (Even Carter didn't do it.) We need to get rid of Clinton-era impositions on our military.

39 posted on 03/19/2005 10:19:42 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Trust but Verify

You miss the point. Women must be used in advanced positions so that the recruitment objectives can be met.
Now for the other portion of your question. What the hell was wrong with the Vietnan era military? Just because we fought a war that was sold down the river by pack of spineless politicians doesn't diminish the quality of the forces involved or their spirit and heart.


40 posted on 03/19/2005 11:07:44 AM PST by em2vn
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